Cheating in college (rant)

[Gunrush]

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<< whats the pride in not cheating? people make it out to be an offense but i dotn think it is at all. you learn what the hell you want to learn, and if they're going to force you to pass a bullsh!t class by threatening your diploma, then what the hell, just cheat. you poeple who insist on learning every little thing annoy me. >>



mmm...ok...let's see you cheat you get a 95% on the test...someone who actually does the material gets a 70%...the normal curve without you cheating would be at the highest grade which would hypothetically be 85%....the 70% guy now gets a C instead of a B. Explain to me how it's not an offense? You disgust me Gunrush. Pure and simple...you, GUNRUSH, DISGUST me. :|

-Ed >>




that situation is a little extreme.. but lets say you dont cheat at all in the EECS program at ucberkeley. there is NO way in hell you're ever going to be able graduate unless 1) you are a freakin robot 2) youre a genious. everybody here shares homework assignments, previous tests and lab work.

 

[BruinEd03]

Gunrush: Pming w/ the message:
" Date Posted: Dec/11/2001 10:53 PM
read my post you ignorant fvck "
isn't going to help you any.

Ok well you should be able to get through classes without cheating. If you can't then maybe the school isn't right for you. Why I wouldn't go to a school like berkeley? Exactly because of the things you're saying. What you do affects not only you but others when you cheat. Think about it...how does it feel like to have people cheating against you? Yeah you're grades drop like a rock if you don't cheat.

-Ed

 

[Mucman]

I hope the people that think casual cheating is ok in college don't take that attitude in others things in life as well... if so then I am scared

If you think the course is bs why did you take it? Did you need the course to get your degree? If that is all a degree is to you (a job, credentials) then you are
missing the whole point of an education! Being learned helps you in the long run and so does the work ethic attained by working hard to succeed at your courses.

OK, now I have inspired myself.. going to study now

 

[Gunrush]

<GUNRUSH, you DISGUST me. :| >
<Gunrush: Pming w/ the message:
" Date Posted: Dec/11/2001 10:53 PM
read my post you ignorant fvck "
isn't going to help you any.>

who the f started it. is it my fault that i replied out of anger because someone practically flipped me off with little or no justification?

<<Ok well you should be able to get through classes without cheating. If you can't then maybe the school isn't right for you.>>

can you read? i wansnt speaking only for myself, but for everyone. everyone cheats. if you think cheating by sharing homework and lab papers is offensive, then YOU disgust ME

<<Why I wouldn't go to a school like berkeley? Exactly because of the things you're saying. >>

what the hell, so you think its only students at berkeley cheat? im sure ucla is just as bad if not worse.

 

[Gunrush]

<<Think about it...how does it feel like to have people cheating against you?>>

i dont conern myself over it and i think its stupid that some people do. yeah they might up the curve by a small margin, but it usually doesnt make a difference

 

[BruinEd03]

<< maybe you should listen to your own advice >>



AFAIK i didn't pm you w/ "read my post you ignorant fvck".



<< can you read? i wansnt speaking only for myself, but for everyone. everyone cheats. if you think cheating by sharing homework and lab papers is offensive, then YOU disgust ME >>



Mm...what made you so disillusioned, may I ask? You're like the person that steals $10 from the register every time you work cuz you think it doesn't hurt any.



<< what the hell, so you think its only students at berkeley cheat? im sure ucla is just as bad if not worse. >>



I'm an Electrical Engineer Computer Engineer major minoring in Asian American Studies also an Assistant Photo Editor at the Daily Bruin...I don't cheat. I know what I can/can't handle. Sure other people may cheat, but I don't. And yes my GPA sucks ass but at least it's my GPA and I know I've earned it.

-Ed

 

[Mucman]

GunRush, why pay for classes when you are just going to cheat? Is it really that tough to put in a little effort? The satisfaction of getting an A knowing that you are the only one responsable for that grade is very rewarding! (not like it happens often to me though )



<< And yes my GPA sucks ass but at least it's my GPA and I know I've earned it. >>



same here

 

[Gunrush]

<<AFAIK i didn't pm you w/ "read my post you ignorant fvck".>>

see edit

<<I'm an Electrical Engineer Computer Engineer major minoring in Asian American Studies also an Assistant Photo Editor at the Daily Bruin...I don't cheat. I know what I can/can't handle. Sure other people may cheat, but I don't. And yes my GPA sucks ass but at least it's my GPA and I know I've earned it.>>

youre missed the point. you said you wouldnt go to berkeley cause of the cheating. it doesnt matter what school you go to theres always going to be cheaters.

anyway, i dont have the time to argue over this. you go about youre business and i'll go about mine. just dont concern yourself over what i do, worry about your damn self

 

[Gunrush]

<<GunRush, why pay for classes when you are just going to cheat? Is it really that tough to put in a little effort? The satisfaction of getting an A knowing that you are the only one responsable for that grade is very rewarding! (not like it happens often to me though ) >>

man, you're acting like all i do is cheat. I dont.. i only cheat on little stuff like homework assignments, and only if i feel that i know the material already. i never on tests.

 

[BruinEd03]

<< youre missed the point. you said you wouldnt go to berkeley cause of the cheating. it doesnt matter what school you go to theres always going to be cheaters.

anyway, i dont have the time to argue over this. you go about youre business and i'll go about mine. just dont concern yourself over what i do, worry about your damn self >>





<< that situation is a little extreme.. but lets say you dont cheat at all in the EECS program at ucberkeley. there is NO way in hell you're ever going to be able graduate unless 1) you are a freakin robot 2) youre a genious. everybody here shares homework assignments, previous tests and lab work. >>



Mmm...you're saying you cant graduate without cheating. I would never put myself in a situation where I couldn't graduate without cheating.

-Ed

 

[Bluga]

<< EECS program at ucberkeley. there is NO way in hell you're ever going to be able graduate unless 1) you are a freakin robot 2) youre a genious. everybody here shares homework assignments, previous tests and lab work. >>



no wonder my school ranks better than berkely, we rarely have assiggnment, almost all our grades are comprised of quizzes, midterms, and finals. It's impossible to cheat. btw, maybe you are just incapable of the course load so you need to share all those stuff?

 

[Mucman]

Gunrush - In that case, it sounds like you cheat on rare occasions. Would it be that much harder to not cheat at all? btw, my points are sort of directed at people who cheat considerably, not you... you were the last person in the thread so I targeted you

 

[Gunrush]

like i said, if you think cheating by sharing homework and lab papers is offensive, then you need to pull that stick out of your ass

 

[Mucman]

Gunrush - you could have kept the discussion civil at least :| not gonna bother with this anymore

 

[perry]

Yea, looking at old tests is not cheating. At Ga Tech, the library actually kept a "word" file for classes. Professors would put up old homeworks and quizzes and tests and you could go to the library's webpage and look at that stuff. Helpful for studying come final time.. lots of material to look at with problems similar to what you'll see on the final. Fraternity houses kept multiple file cabinets full of "word," stuff that the professors didn't put out there. Kids would take the class, save all their work, and put it in the file. Then someone would come along a couple semesters later and have all that work. Sometimes outright copying the old homeworks, sometimes just using the stuff as study aids.

I cheated my ass off in high school. Haven't cheated once since then. I decided that college would make or break the rest of my life, and I couldn't continue going through life on false pretenses, so I just quit. Didn't copy homeworks, labs, quizzes, anything. Nor did I give stuff to anyone else. I'd rather get a 0 on a homework than get a 100 knowing that I didn't do the work myself. But that's just me. Rest of ya'll can go ahead and cheat, it'll catch up with you one day.

 

[Jerboy]

<< I know how this is. It pisses me off to see cheaters,

because I'm getting disadvantage >>



I KNOW!!!!!!



<< ,
but I also feel bad turning them in, and ruining their lives. >>



They cheat, its not their grade. Since when is ratting in worse than cheating? Just turn it in man.

I've turned someone in before and they both got busted. This mean guy was stupid enough to copy off another girl's essay word-by-word. Our English teacher has over 200 students alltogether so they most likely won't be caught unless someone reports it. Well I just left a sticky note on the teacher's desk that reads

"Mrs. English teacher, take a look at John Smith and Jane Doe's side by side... you'd be surprised"

 

[RudeBoie]

Nothing wrong with reporting cheating. Either you screw them or they'll screw you. Difference is, they DESERVE it.

 

[Static911]

Gunrush

I don't understand why SOMEONE NEEDS to cheat...So you learn more by cheating? um....ok....let me ask you, how often do you remember the stuff that you cheated on a test back in the days.....

So you take the Macheville view: "end justifies the means?" Whatever happened to the process of learning? The "hardwork" (no, I do not define cheating as hard work)

Also, previously said, people like you screw up the curve...

static911

 

[Drekce]

In my lectronics class there was this group of Vietnamese people who always sat right next to each other. I knew one of them and he was a BAD cheater. In data structures he didn't write one line of his own code, he even cheated on papers in Freshman english. Anyways, on one of the exams the entire group of Vietnamese students all got 100's. What sucks is that they ruined any chance of a curve for the rest of us ( although I had a 90 anyway).

 

[GuySmiley]

i think that to cheating ...it is not right. but, in America, we do as Americans do, yes!
in kazakhstan, they make it so one cannot do the cheat.
i love america.

 

[alareau]

i got cheated on once for an assignment in 2nd semester Cs class.

some loser stole my assignment from the box (where we put all our homeworks)
i had gotten 74% then i asked the TA (one of my best friends) why i got so low, and
he told me i had given away my assignment to someone. I told him no way.
I then got my original grade of 90%, and the cheater got 0%.

It was funny seeing him in lab, almost crying when the ta confronted him about it.



Ohh it doesn't end there.

The same person stole another homework at the end of the term.
but the Ta caught on quickly since he took another person assignment.
But luckly the Ta had helped the student that got his homework stolen, and it's easy to rememeber variable names like dildo, cVnt and other nasty words like that.
so the cheater got another 0 and got reported i think.

After that semester, i never saw that cheater ever again

 

[GTaudiophile]

I guess the worst I've ever done was make programs for my TI-83 for Chemistry 1101/2 as a freshman. Back then, there weren't any specific rules against it as they did allow those calculators on exams. They've since banned them.

I know I have been cheated off of; distinctly remember a guy in my Management Info. Systems class. It's just as much my fault as his, though, for not turning him in.

 

[crypticlogin]

<< can you read? i wansnt speaking only for myself, but for everyone. everyone cheats >>



Don't speak for me, please.

 

[cjchaps]

-Thoughts from someone who graduated college(with cheating), and post-graduation work experiences-

I cheated in high school and college, in a few different ways as seen here. I used to put calculus formulas in my calculator which I didn't feel memorizing. I'm have a BS in computer science. Has that type of cheating every bothered me or come back to haunt me? Absolutely not. As a computer major I had access to old tests and homework assignments which I would study off of or use for a test. Has that type of cheating hindered me at all? Not really?. I am a IT consultant, and one of the first things they tell you is ?don?t reinvent the wheel?. In other words, use old resources to complete work assignments. During some tests my friends and I would whisper to each other about answers for a particular question. Again, has this had bad consequences? Another thing consulting values it team work. If you can?t work on a team, you are fired.

I never felt that I needed to cheat, I just cheated because he was easy to do and a time saver. Why should I memorize cryptic formulas when I can look them up in a book, or ask other people about them? Could I have graduated with cheating with the same GPA? In my estimation easily, but I will never know the answer. Do I feel bad that I cheated and might have screwed others? Nope, because there are always going to be people cheating, whether you realize it or not. When you graduate college and start ?real? life, you will come to realize it?s not a perfect world, and people do not conform to the rules. If you don?t cheat and will never cheat, that?s fine, more power too you.

 

[Scootin159]

I really never cheat on tests or anything. I'll occasionally get 'help' on homework or projects, but that's really what it is, it's not 'copying'. It does annoy me as well when people flat-out cheat.