Chernobyl

pontifex

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This was posted in the STALKER game thread in the software forum but I thought it was interesting enough to post here.

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Some powerful images and text about the area.
 

GTaudiophile

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Without giving away any spoilers, how far into the actual power plant can you go in the game?
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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I've read through all the content through that link a few times, it's really quite a documentation. What I don't understand though, is why it wasn't even mentioned in a high school chemistry class or something.
 

lozina

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Yeah I was trying to play that game STALKER (Which sucks, by the way) but it really turned me on to the Chernobyl area. Post apocalyptic ghost towns is something that really interests me. I started looking for whatever documentaries I can find on the zone around Chernobyl.

Anyone know some good ones?
 

pontifex

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Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
I've read through all the content through that link a few times, it's really quite a documentation. What I don't understand though, is why it wasn't even mentioned in a high school chemistry class or something.

how old are you?
 

pontifex

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Originally posted by: lozina
Yeah I was trying to play that game STALKER (Which sucks, by the way) but it really turned me on to the Chernobyl area. Post apocalyptic ghost towns is something that really interests me. I started looking for whatever documentaries I can find on the zone around Chernobyl.

Anyone know some good ones?

STALKER rocks (but thats for another thread)
 

waggy

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pontifex

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: Hyperlite

have we not already been over the fact that that story is 95% fabricated?

which story? Chernobyl?

no the lady on the bike. she made it up. she was never allowed to ride around.

its been proven in a few sites that she lied. the old thread had 2 of them.

where did she get the pics then?
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: Hyperlite

have we not already been over the fact that that story is 95% fabricated?

which story? Chernobyl?

no the lady on the bike. she made it up. she was never allowed to ride around.

its been proven in a few sites that she lied. the old thread had 2 of them.

where did she get the pics then?


she did go on a tour. but she does not have a free pass. anyone can go all you have to do is book it.

she was also not allowed free access. or allowed ot ride a motorcycle around. part of her story is true. but a lot of it is BS.
 

Patt

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Who cares if she lied ... the photos are stunning in their simplicity. I could care less if her story is true or not, this is what the area looks like now.
 

Hyperlite

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Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: Hyperlite

have we not already been over the fact that that story is 95% fabricated?

which story? Chernobyl?

no the lady on the bike. she made it up. she was never allowed to ride around.

its been proven in a few sites that she lied. the old thread had 2 of them.

where did she get the pics then?

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Link to thread criticizing Elena on another site (see post by user Pulse)

I've been biting my tongue about this one for a month now as I prepare my own website on the subject..

On April 27, 2004 (18th anniversary + 1 day of the Chernobyl disaster) I did a tour of Chernobyl, the nuclear power station and the ghost town Pripyat. As part of this, I had lengthy discussions with my tour guide about Elena's website, and she told me a few things about it.

1) Her father is NOT a scientist. She does NOT have an 'unlimited access' pass to Chernobyl
2) She has never been on a motorcycle inside Chernobyl. If you notice, the pictures including her bike stop when she gets to the access control point. They did NOT let her in.
3) While she HAS been to Chernobyl, she did exactly the same tour I did, and she went with her husband.
4) In her original website, she mentioned she never goes inside buildings without a girl who lives in Chernobyl, who "is familiar in the ways of the atom and has good taste in shoes" and makes her living showing people around. This person's name is Rimma Kiselitsa. She works for the group Chernobylinterinform (http://www.chernobyl.info) - and was my tour guide.

Yes, I had the same tour guide in Chernobyl that Elena had.

But there's more. I'll give an example - one of the pictures on her original site was inside a kindergarden. It's a picture of a baby's crib, with a photo of Lenin, a child's gas mask, and some toys. These photos were 'staged' by Elena's husband. He found the photo of Lenin elsewhere, put it in the cott and placed a gas mask alongside then took a photo of it.

This annoyed Rimma immensely. She was not impressed from start to finish about Elena and her husband, as they seemed to be trying to take photos for shock value - not how the place really is. I had no intention of doing such things (in fact, I saw the very cott they took the picture of I mentioned above, still in the same state that they left it in), and Rimma picked up on this. She took me to MANY places she didn't even tell Elena about. As part of my day's tour, I took over 400 photographs. I watched Rimma remove the gas mask and photograph of Lenin, and put them back in their original homes.

The reason I was told all of this was because Rimma is very annoyed about the whole affair - she's getting phone calls from movie producers wanting to make movies about this "heroic" girl. She's getting people demanding the same unlimited access pass that Elena supposedly has. These do not exist, and she's sick of explaining it to people. When I mentioned I too wished to create a website, she started to talk about it all. Rimma has been featured in Maxim magazine, a number of other magazines and newspapers, and indeed the day I did the tour she told me if I got back to my hotel in Kiev on time to turn on Channel 1 at 7:30pm - she was hosting a documentry on Chernobyl (which looked interesting, but I'm an Australian - I don't speak Ukrainian. I couldn't understand a word).

As part of this, I have offered for her to proof read my website before it goes live, to make sure I have all the facts right. In return, Rimma has said that I may use an "Endorsed by Chernobylinterinform" logo on the page.

So yes, Elena's website is fake, and much of the things she discusses are complete, utter, 100% bullshit.. such as you have to stand in the middle of the road. Rimma and I strolled through parks, across fields, around gardens, everywhere. At the end of it, the machine said I had as much radioactivity as when I arrived. ah heck all. This is Rimma's job, this is her life, and she's been doing it for 10 years. She KNOWS what she's talking about, and is truly one of the nicest people I've ever met.

I'll just finish by giving a link to a panoramic photo I took on a rooftop in the centre of Pripyat - it also shows Rimma in it standing just below me (in fact, due to the way the photos were stitched together she's actually shown twice).

http://www.web-axis.net/~pulse/chernobyl/prypyat-panoramic.jpg (4mb - 13,112 x 952 resolution)

Details of the tour that I AND Elena did can be found at http://www.ukrcam.com/tour/tour_3.html - where you can also book your own tours if you're interested. By the way, it's not exactly a tour group - it was myself, my driver (in the fearsome Soviet Lada car) and Rimma. That's it. It's a private tour, not exactly a Greyhound tour of Chernobyl..

It was quite simply the most AMAZING experience I've ever had.

Tony Brown (pulse .. at .. web-axis.net)

*modified to add my name for verification.


aside from this, no one can debate the power of those pictures, whether staged or not. The outdoor shots in perticular i found very interesting. and doubtless at least a few of the things she said are true. There was that one picture that was supposed to be the casing they built over the reactor...i found that pic very interesting.
 

lozina

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yeah it's on WikiPedia. Motorcycles in particular are banned from entering the exclusion zone. And then some people who run tours there have said they had that woman in their tours and that she wore some leather biker outfit posing for pictures and stuff.
 

Patt

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OK, I'm not too cool with the fact that some of the pictures have 'posed' material in them, but I am still fascinated by the empty buildings/landscape. Still amazing.
 

Platypus

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My ex was outside at a parade in Minsk during the Chernobyl meltdown. It's funny to hear him talk about how they never came out and told them anything happened for quite some time afterwords. The iron curtain was very effective indeed.
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: Patt
Who cares if she lied ... the photos are stunning in their simplicity. I could care less if her story is true or not, this is what the area looks like now.


ya, I think that's the point. The photos are unreal...
 

pontifex

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while finding out that the story isn't quite true lessens the effect, the pictures are still quite powerful in their own right.
 
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