Chevy Cruze first drive

DarkThinker

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God damn all these companies nothing they make excites me, will someone please make a fun car that isn't wrong wheel drive and costs a fortune? Is that too much to ask?
 

LTC8K6

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About half the price of a Volt, looks like.

Wonder how long it takes to get the extra money for the Volt back?
 

Pocatello

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The government wants us to drive smaller cars, the environmentalists want us to drive smaller cars, car companies are taking smaller cars seriously, but will the American people want to buy smaller cars? I'm hearing big SUVs are in demand again.
 

boomhower

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I like it a lot better than the disaster that is the Fiesta, that thing is hideous. It should sell decent.


The government wants us to drive smaller cars, the environmentalists want us to drive smaller cars, car companies are taking smaller cars seriously, but will the American people want to buy smaller cars? I'm hearing big SUVs are in demand again.

We bough my wifes car from a Dodge dealership a few days ago and they were selling the hell out of Commanders. They were pretty good deals but evidently people have short term memories when it comes to gas prices. This is a fairly poor area so I just don't get it. My wife wanted an SUV but it just wasn't going to happen. Gas prices will go up again. In general the American public is not going to be driving small cars. Many will go from SUV's to midsize cars or crossovers but not compacts.
 
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I blinked when I saw the base price of $17,000 for the 1.8L w/6sp tranny. I wonder who will market the first "compact" to break $20k as a base price. Won't be long now...

Looks good in the RS trim. And by all accounts it's a capable hauler, but they need a new SS.
 
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StageLeft

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I like it a lot better than the disaster that is the Fiesta, that thing is hideous. It should sell decent.




We bough my wifes car from a Dodge dealership a few days ago and they were selling the hell out of Commanders. They were pretty good deals but evidently people have short term memories when it comes to gas prices. This is a fairly poor area so I just don't get it. My wife wanted an SUV but it just wasn't going to happen. Gas prices will go up again. In general the American public is not going to be driving small cars. Many will go from SUV's to midsize cars or crossovers but not compacts.
Yep people do have short term memories. If gas hit $4 now you'd see expeditions being given away with purchase of a GPS unit. Although I do think $4 was ahead of its time and was never realistic for 2008.

Cruze looks ok. Is there a hatchback coming? Anybody who's ever owned a hatchback knows how much ass they kick. A 40 mpg cruze with hatchback would not be bad at all.
 

SparkyJJO

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I can see a hatch for the utilitarian purpose, but overall I don't like hatchback cars.

No comments about my Camaro. It is a coupe with a hatch on it, there's a difference!

I'm not a fan of dinky cars myself (I tend to not fit in many of them, I have longer legs) but that doesn't look bad. And they are estimating 40mpg? That's pretty good. We need cars like this, to help offset that nuisance CAFE thing, so we can still keep fun cars around
 
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StageLeft

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I can see a hatch for the utilitarian purpose, but overall I don't like hatchback cars.

No comments about my Camaro. It is a coupe with a hatch on it, there's a difference!

I'm not a fan of dinky cars myself (I tend to not fit in many of them, I have longer legs) but that doesn't look bad. And they are estimating 40mpg? That's pretty good. We need cars like this, to help offset that nuisance CAFE thing, so we can still keep fun cars around
Did you know the Mazda6 actually used to come in "hatchback"? The trunk AND the rear window, despite the thing looking like a sedan, raise as one unit. As such it has a shocking amount more utility to it than a simple sedan of exactly the same shape, I think.
 

StageLeft

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Does leather really cost another $5k? Is that all you get?
The fvck. Only a total beggar of personal pain would put $5k of options into a Cruze unless it comes with a substantial powertrain bump. I generally think people who option out cars more than just a little bit are suckers. I think it's money poorly spent. For example, you can get a base Prius for $23k or you can put $7k into it which will get you leather, better stereo, a few bits like that. You have to be frankly stupid as sh*t to do it. You can get a Sienna for $26.3 or one for $45k (buys you AWD as the only change to powertrain and the rest is who knows what). !!
 

CurseTheSky

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The fvck. Only a total beggar of personal pain would put $5k of options into a Cruze unless it comes with a substantial powertrain bump. I generally think people who option out cars more than just a little bit are suckers. I think it's money poorly spent. For example, you can get a base Prius for $23k or you can put $7k into it which will get you leather, better stereo, a few bits like that. You have to be frankly stupid as sh*t to do it. You can get a Sienna for $26.3 or one for $45k (buys you AWD as the only change to powertrain and the rest is who knows what). !!

Yep. I never understood that. If you're buying an economy car, don't deck it out until it costs as much as a much nicer car. The only exception is when there's a true sport model if the economy car, like the Cobalt SS, Neon SRT-4, Evo, etc., none of which I'd personally buy anyway.

When I was looking at Fusions, there were several people optioning out Focuses until they cost nearly as much as a I4 Fusion of the same year. Sure, you might not get the same wheels, leather interior, etc. on the Fusion, but at least you're getting the 2.5L over the 2.0L on the Focus, and a 6 speed auto instead of the horrendous 4 speed.
 

alkalinetaupehat

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Am I missing something here? GM is making a quality daily driver which is well-appointed at base price. GM. Quality. Gas Mileage. I would never have heard these words 10 years ago, and here they are. If you want to spend an extra 5k you get a turbo-four, leather, sunroof, uprated sound (Pioneer), wheels, trim, interior...Sounds good to me.

This is what is replacing the Cobalt, and by extension the Cavalier. I suspect some just want to froth at the mouth at GM for old time's sake.
 

boomhower

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I would also agree with optioning out econobox's is stupid. When I got my Elantra I got one option package, the "convenience package". It was the only way to get A/C, but also came with cruise, power everything, XM, and some other crap. Think it was around $1500 or so but worth it. Sticker was ~$16.8k but I walking out at $9.7k thanks to Obama.
 

Tristicus

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Am I missing something here? GM is making a quality daily driver which is well-appointed at base price. GM. Quality. Gas Mileage. I would never have heard these words 10 years ago, and here they are. If you want to spend an extra 5k you get a turbo-four, leather, sunroof, uprated sound (Pioneer), wheels, trim, interior...Sounds good to me.

This is what is replacing the Cobalt, and by extension the Cavalier. I suspect some just want to froth at the mouth at GM for old time's sake.

Link for the extras? I didn't see it in the OP link if it is there.
 

alkalinetaupehat

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Link for the extras? I didn't see it in the OP link if it is there.

Autoblog said:
GM says that the Cruze will start at $16,995, complete with the 1.8-liter four-cylinder and a six-speed manual transmission. If you want the cozy leather interior, you'll still only have to shell out $21,395. Our tester, complete with four-wheel disc brakes and LTZ trim, came with a very manageable $22,695 price tag.

You can see the uprated speakers and sunroof in the pictures, and the rest is right there -^.
Though I forgot to mention that 5K included an automatic transmission.

Speakers (bottom of pic, view fullsize):


Sunroof (top of pic):
 
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The back end really reminds me of the Sebring, and while I don't really like the headlights, its not a bad looking car.

After reading the article, I'm a bit puzzled. The engine choices for one. But then there's this:
GM says that it was interested in moving the car's handling away from the sport side of the spectrum and more towards the comfortable

That doesn't sound very good to me, especially when you generally hear companies pushing for a balance between the two. Plus, that was a big part of what turned GM to shit to begin with, making cars that handle and drive horribly.

And then there's this:
GM has taken pains to ensure the cabin is an isolation chamber unmatched in this price point. Triple-seal doors, a laminated windshield and hydraulic engine mounts make the cabin Lexus-quiet. We know that sounds absurd, but we don't make the comparison lightly.

Um, is it just me or does that make no sense for this car/segment? Now if we were talking about a Buick model, then sure that might be smart, but not an econobox Chevy.

Its an interesting move, as it could be something that makes a big difference to average buyers. Plus, with the economy, people will be moving downmarket, and I know there's quite a few older people that want a cheap domestic, but they want one that would be like the 90s era Buick/Cadillacs. I don't think its going to work out though. The car looks aimed at sportiness and it seems they've developed it as anything but. And the older people will just buy used 90s Buicks and Cadillacs.

I don't think Autoblog really likes it. They generally don't trash any car in their "First Drive" articles (in fact they're usually pretty glowing). Seems like they're being lukewarm, which is a bad sign to me.
 

alkalinetaupehat

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I would agree that the bit on handling has me worried, since that was one of GM's big issues with their cars previously, but at the same time they are using pretty skinny tires on the LTZ trim. Hopefully they have not missed a key point of compact cars.
 

SparkyJJO

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Um, is it just me or does that make no sense for this car/segment? Now if we were talking about a Buick model, then sure that might be smart, but not an econobox Chevy.

Actually it may be smarter. They're trying to get away from the "econobox chevy" mentality with something a little nicer. Heck, everyone always complained about their "crap interiors" (which honestly when I look at the interior of my dad's Camry I don't see a huge difference between it and a Chevy or Ford of the same generation). So they are stepping it up some. Of course, then there will be the complainers that say it is too much for an econobox
 

Eli

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GM claims the engine produces 138 horsepower at 4,900 rpm and 148 pound-feet of torque at 1,850 rpm,

Impressive. :thumbsup:
 

herm0016

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looks like a good car. people will always find ways to complain, esp. about GM.
 

punjabiplaya

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I blinked when I saw the base price of $17,000 for the 1.8L w/6sp tranny. I wonder who will market the first "compact" to break $20k as a base price. Won't be long now...

Looks good in the RS trim. And by all accounts it's a capable hauler, but they need a new SRT.

Fiesta can crack 20k easily
 
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