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AtenRa

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Except NV has never lost the SGPU crown in a long time.People thought AMD would take that back by introducing 290X but they couldn't, so while it will be highly competitive I have very little doubt the SGPU crown will belong to NV.

HD5870 : From September 2009 until GXT480 was released in March 2010.
HD7970 and GE : From January 2012 to February 2013 when TITAN was released.

So it is not a long time ago NV didnt have the fastest single GPU card in the market.
 

Sunaiac

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HD5870 : From September 2009 until GXT480 was released in March 2010.
HD7970 and GE : From January 2012 to February 2013 when TITAN was released.

So it is not a long time ago NV didnt have the fastest single GPU card in the market.

Some might add than having more performance in 4k where more work has to be done could be seen as a sign of having the best sGPU too, even if a bit slower in 1080p.

But that would open a discussion about the "superiority" of the 780Ti.

Which would be a bad thing, because nVidia HAS to have the best sGPU. Laws of physics can't be touched so easily.
 

njdevilsfan87

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Witcher 3 has been delayed to May 19:
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/the-witcher-3-delayed-again/1100-6424075/



Huh, XDR?? I left to work in Central Asia early 2013, where my job requires constant travel in the country. Where I am right now (not UAE anymore) there is not 1 R9 290, GTX900 series for sale. Until I am back to Canada/US I won't buy any new GPU due lack of new products where I am working, which means unless I flew to Dubai on the weekend or to China, I have no way to purchase these cards, especially not at US prices. I would have probably skipped 200 series and 970 anyway since I already said many times I am upgrading when a card is at least 75-100% faster than a 7970Ghz. Right now 7990/ARESii is still fast in nearly every game at 1080p, so why would I upgrade? I am in no rush.

So they have the money to build kilometer tall buildings at will over there, but not have any 290s or 900s anywhere. Man, they really need to get their priorities straight over there.
 

RussianSensation

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So they have the money to build kilometer tall buildings at will over there, but not have any 290s or 900s anywhere. Man, they really need to get their priorities straight over there.

I am not in Dubai or China. Believe me it's not that easy to find high end latest tech, and impossible to find at US prices, in places like Turkmenestan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, etc. On the bright side I am getting games for a bargain price on Origin since the store is in Rubles and I check out with CDN PayPal. Not sure if that's good though since my backlog keeps growing.

My most anticipated game was the Witcher 3. If you look at ARES II 7990 performance, it flies at 1080P in almost all the latest titles besides AC Unity. Shadow of Mordor, DAI, FC4, Lords of the Fallen, COD:AW, etc. overclocked 7970s are faster than a 980. When I get a 4K monitor though I will have no choice but to upgrade. Unfortunately 970/980 bring nothing worthwhile to the table over 290/290X at 4K, and neither does 970/980 SLI over 290/290X CF at 4K. I am in a good position where I can keep waiting until true next gen PC games mop the floor with my 7970s or 4K IPS FreeSync monitors, if prices reasonably, entice me into an early upgrade. Because of my desire to jump 1440/1600p straight to 4K, I will be looking at 4K performance when choosing my next GPU upgrade.
 
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3DVagabond

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yeah i meant GTX 970 SLI.



as for this blame the CEO for everything logic it doesn't fly. What is the CVP of the GPU division doing. Its his unit's product and his core responsibility. again i meant 970 sli put pressure on R9 295x2.


I never said to blame him for everything. Poor product releases of good products, is all on him. And not fixing simple flaws is a lot of peoples fault, and no way he can be excused.

The janitor doesn't put TP in the in the public restrooms... not his fault.
 

RussianSensation

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Off topic but...AT got bought out by the same firm that owns Tom's Hardware:

http://purch.com/purch-acquires-anandtech-dominates-tech-expert-and-enthusiast-market/

They haven't even published iMac Retina review yet. I hope this is not the start of going downhill for AT in terms of advertising and marketing dollars affecting the integrity and professionalism of their reviews. I sure hope the editors/reviewers will still provide objective reviews. On the positive side, with such a financially strong owner, perhaps they can expand their team and bring even more reviews, as well as have the means to purchase hardware to review instead of always just waiting for samples.
 
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waffleironhead

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Off topic but...AT got bought out by the same firm that owns Tom's Hardware:

http://purch.com/purch-acquires-anandtech-dominates-tech-expert-and-enthusiast-market/

They haven't even published iMac Retina review yet. I hope this is not the start of going downhill for AT in terms of advertising and marketing dollars affecting the integrity and professionalism of their reviews. I sure hope the editors/reviewers will still provide objective reviews. On the positive side, with such a financially strong owner, perhaps they can expand their team and bring even more reviews, as well as have the means to purchase hardware to review instead of always just waiting for samples.

The site has been going downhill for some time. Lots of short puff pieces. They didn't even cover the omega drivers did they?
 

exar333

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Off topic but...AT got bought out by the same firm that owns Tom's Hardware:

http://purch.com/purch-acquires-anandtech-dominates-tech-expert-and-enthusiast-market/

They haven't even published iMac Retina review yet. I hope this is not the start of going downhill for AT in terms of advertising and marketing dollars affecting the integrity and professionalism of their reviews. I sure hope the editors/reviewers will still provide objective reviews. On the positive side, with such a financially strong owner, perhaps they can expand their team and bring even more reviews, as well as have the means to purchase hardware to review instead of always just waiting for samples.

That makes Anand's decision from August make even more sense now. I am guessing the writing was on the wall then?

Not sure how I feel about this...thanks for the post.
 

kawi6rr

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Off topic but...AT got bought out by the same firm that owns Tom's Hardware:

http://purch.com/purch-acquires-anandtech-dominates-tech-expert-and-enthusiast-market/

They haven't even published iMac Retina review yet. I hope this is not the start of going downhill for AT in terms of advertising and marketing dollars affecting the integrity and professionalism of their reviews. I sure hope the editors/reviewers will still provide objective reviews. On the positive side, with such a financially strong owner, perhaps they can expand their team and bring even more reviews, as well as have the means to purchase hardware to review instead of always just waiting for samples.

Not sure how i feel about this, can we be sure we're getting unbaised reviews from these sites now that they have the same owner? How much control does this new owner have and who are they already in bed with?
 

RussianSensation

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Not sure how i feel about this, can we be sure we're getting unbaised reviews from these sites now that they have the same owner? How much control does this new owner have and who are they already in bed with?

I would say A LOT:

"Purch offers brands and advertisers unmatched reach to tens of millions of discerning in-market tech consumers and professionals each month. These tech “enthusiasts” look to the kind of detailed research, benchmark testing, and advice from category experts during their buying process for which Tom’s Hardware and AnandTech are known. Readers trust that advice because it is backed by nearly two decades of testing every mobile and PC component imaginable, and is supported by unprecedented input and guidance from the biggest, passionate community of like-minded enthusiasts.

Purch’s acquisition of AnandTech is the company’s most recent move in a series of strategic acquisitions and partnerships aimed at furthering its mission to ease complex buying decisions for shoppers and deliver branding and performance results to advertisers. In 2013, the company acquired the renowned “Tom’s” brand of tech media sites and, earlier this year, purchased BuyerZone, the leading online marketplace for SMB buyers and sellers. Purch’s ability to trigger buying decisions in an array of product categories is evidenced by the more than 7,000 marketers and sellers that come to Purch to connect with ready-to-buy consumers. Each year, Purch’s content-commerce combination drives more than one billion dollars in commerce transactions."


So yeah, I feel there will be a lot more pressure on AT now to paint products in a positive light since marketers and advertisers will pay BIG money to Purch so that we buy the latest and greatest tech. It's unlikely that AT will rip apart a GPU that launches 12 months later and offers just 10% more high end performance at $550 because by all metrics it will be a "better product" hence "Highly recommended." Also, easy to market features such as performance/watt will be hyped/pushed to sell products since what's popular in the media sells and perf/watt is the popularity darling in tech now. Hope I am wrong though and AT continues to be objective. :biggrin:

Anyway, don't want to go off-topic but it was kinda of a big deal and I knew a lot of people viewed this thread so decided to post it as didn't know where else to post the topic.
 
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tential

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Not sure how i feel about this, can we be sure we're getting unbaised reviews from these sites now that they have the same owner? How much control does this new owner have and who are they already in bed with?

Have you seen the reviews lately? Compare those with the reviews we got 2-3 years ago.

Ya.... I'm not too confident about things moving forward.
 

n0x1ous

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Its been going downhill since a few months before Anand retired. Sad that we'll never again get amazing pieces like rv770 showing up to the fight and rv870 special behind the scenes stuff. Miss Derek Wilson too.......I barely read AT anymore.....
 

dangerman1337

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With those benchmarks... damn. Not sure if I want to pull the trigger on a MSI 970 (and sell my 7950 while it has some value) while the Ubisoft offer is available or wait for this. I so want to play Witcher 3 at max (except MSAA or the like, SMAA is good enough these days) at 1080p.
 

RussianSensation

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With those benchmarks... damn. Not sure if I want to pull the trigger on a MSI 970 (and sell my 7950 while it has some value) while the Ubisoft offer is available or wait for this. I so want to play Witcher 3 at max (except MSAA or the like, SMAA is good enough these days) at 1080p.

1. Your 7950 is long passed the perfect time to sell it. For example, if you can sell it now for $120, in 12 months it's resale value might only fall $40 more to $80. Conversely, if 380X Fiji beats 980, that level of performance will fall from $550 to $400 or much more than the loss of value of your 7950. Alternatively at the $350 level there should be a GPU faster than the 970 by the time Witcher 3 launches. Put it this way an after-market 290 sells for $250 regularly but NV can charge a $100 premium for the 970 because its newer and has better perf/watt. That simply won't be possible once 200 series is replaced with an equally next gen AMD architecture.

2. You should never buy a graphics card for a game out months in advance. Witcher 3 has already been delayed for the 2nd time to May 19th, and it's not 100% that it will not be delayed again. If that's the key game you are upgrading for, then wait to buy a next gen card as close as possible to May 19th. We don't even know how 970/980 will stack up against 300 series. It could be AMD's 380X would own a 980 or 980 could beat 390X. It's impossible to say right now as W3 is an NV title.

I am in a very similar spot as you are. My 7970s together are probably worth $250-275 at most but I am willing lose $50-75 in their resale value over the next 6 months since instead of buying dual 980s for $1200, I'll probably be able to get even faster performance for $1000 by the time Witcher 3 comes out. That's why I don't see any point in upgrading now for Witcher 3.

In the meantime overclock your 7950 to 1.15-1.2Ghz as most can go that high. If that's still not fast enough for some odnthe games you play, you can always grab a 290/970 and not wait.
 
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tential

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1. Your 7950 is long passed the perfect time to sell it. For example, if you can sell it now for $120, in 12 months it's resale value might only fall $40 more to $80. Conversely, if 380X Fiji beats 980, that level of performance will fall from $550 to $400 or much more than the loss of value of your 7950. Alternatively at the $350 level there should be a GPU faster than the 970 by the time Witcher 3 launches. Put it this way an after-market 290 sells for $250 regularly but NV can charge a $100 premium for the 970 because its newer and has better perf/watt. That simply won't be possible once 200 series is replaced with an equally next gen AMD architecture.

2. You should never buy a graphics card for a game out months in advance. Witcher 3 has already been delayed for the 2nd time to May 19th, and it's not 100% that it will not be delayed again. If that's the key game you are upgrading for, then wait to buy a next gen card as close as possible to May 19th. We don't even know how 970/980 will stack up against 300 series. It could be AMD's 380X would own a 980 or 980 could beat 390X. It's impossible to say right now as W3 is an NV title.

I am in a very similar spot as you are. My 7970s together are probably worth $250-275 at most but I am willing lose $50-75 in their resale value over the next 6 months since instead of buying dual 980s for $1200, I'll probably be able to get even faster performance for $1000 by the time Witcher 3 comes out. That's why I don't see any point in upgrading now for Witcher 3.

In the meantime overclock your 7950 to 1.15-1.2Ghz as most can go that high. If that's still not fast enough for some odnthe games you play, you can always grab a 290/970 and not wait.

Lol at the people who probably bought Graphics cards in anticipation of the game's original release date.

Why you would buy a card for a SPECIFIC game before that game is even close to coming out is beyond me.

I really wish I understood these people's reasoning as to why they believe it to be a good idea.
 

thilanliyan

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1. Your 7950 is long passed the perfect time to sell it. For example, if you can sell it now for $120, in 12 months it's resale value might only fall $40 more to $80.

Yep I sold 3 7950s in the last 2 months and I got between $110 to $130 here in Canada...bought them for ~$300 each around the beginning of 2013. I'd say it will be hard to sell it for even $80 in a years time.
 

RussianSensation

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Yep I sold 3 7950s in the last 2 months and I got between $110 to $130 here in Canada...bought them for ~$300 each around the beginning of 2013. I'd say it will be hard to sell it for even $80 in a years time.

Right but look what happened with initially launched $650 780 and $700 780Ti? Chances are 980 will plummet in price when 390 and GM200 launch or surely there will be something faster at $550 by May 19th. Given how quickly GPU tech gets updated, I would not buy a GPU for a game expected to be released in 6 months from now! Think about it, just 6 months from the time a $650 780 launched, 290 came out at $399. Honestly after HL2 voucher with Radeon 9000 series and that game's delays, I will never buy any graphics card in anticipation of some game 6 months from now. It's not even out of the question that NV will either lower price on 970/980 in 6 months or they'll launch a 970Ti or something to fill the 18-20% gap between the 970 and 980.
 

dangerman1337

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1. Your 7950 is long passed the perfect time to sell it. For example, if you can sell it now for $120, in 12 months it's resale value might only fall $40 more to $80. Conversely, if 380X Fiji beats 980, that level of performance will fall from $550 to $400 or much more than the loss of value of your 7950. Alternatively at the $350 level there should be a GPU faster than the 970 by the time Witcher 3 launches. Put it this way an after-market 290 sells for $250 regularly but NV can charge a $100 premium for the 970 because its newer and has better perf/watt. That simply won't be possible once 200 series is replaced with an equally next gen AMD architecture.

2. You should never buy a graphics card for a game out months in advance. Witcher 3 has already been delayed for the 2nd time to May 19th, and it's not 100% that it will not be delayed again. If that's the key game you are upgrading for, then wait to buy a next gen card as close as possible to May 19th. We don't even know how 970/980 will stack up against 300 series. It could be AMD's 380X would own a 980 or 980 could beat 390X. It's impossible to say right now as W3 is an NV title.

I am in a very similar spot as you are. My 7970s together are probably worth $250-275 at most but I am willing lose $50-75 in their resale value over the next 6 months since instead of buying dual 980s for $1200, I'll probably be able to get even faster performance for $1000 by the time Witcher 3 comes out. That's why I don't see any point in upgrading now for Witcher 3.

In the meantime overclock your 7950 to 1.15-1.2Ghz as most can go that high. If that's still not fast enough for some odnthe games you play, you can always grab a 290/970 and not wait.
True, just impatient ATM. Also its because I am planning for a brand new large tower 4K VR system for late 2016 (I'm thinking two big pascals and Skylake-E, 4K VR is going to require meaty power) and don't feeling to upgrade later into 2015. Though then again I can use my current system elsewhere by then.
 

thilanliyan

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@RS, Absolutely...I would NOT buy a video card specifically for ONE game that is not even out yet. I don't really understand the logic behind people doing that, but am able to appreciate the enthusiasm
 

TypoFairy©

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I don't really understand the logic behind people doing that, but am able to appreciate the enthusiasm

I think its just the upgrade itch that many of us get. I can honestly say that I'm always looking at hardware prices even when I have 0 intention of upgrading. Also there's no games coming out at the moment that I REALLY REALLY want and yet I'm glued to vc&g reading (lurking) all the rumours of upcoming gfx cards. Well anyways this post is ruining my years to posts ratio so this unicorn is going back into the shadows. (ninjacorn lol)
 

tential

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I think its just the upgrade itch that many of us get. I can honestly say that I'm always looking at hardware prices even when I have 0 intention of upgrading. Also there's no games coming out at the moment that I REALLY REALLY want and yet I'm glued to vc&g reading (lurking) all the rumours of upcoming gfx cards. Well anyways this post is ruining my years to posts ratio so this unicorn is going back into the shadows. (ninjacorn lol)

That's far different than planning to purchase a card before a game is released.

We all follow hardware prices even if we won't upgrade lol.
 

Grooveriding

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I think I often buy cards due to one game, but not just to play that game only, but often one game alone will drive me to want more horsepower in general. Battlefield 3 did, BF4 did and I expect The Witcher 3 will as well.
 

boozzer

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I think I often buy cards due to one game, but not just to play that game only, but often one game alone will drive me to want more horsepower in general. Battlefield 3 did, BF4 did and I expect The Witcher 3 will as well.
why would you need to upgrade when you already got the rig in your sig?
 
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I think I often buy cards due to one game, but not just to play that game only, but often one game alone will drive me to want more horsepower in general. Battlefield 3 did, BF4 did and I expect The Witcher 3 will as well.

Most likely, all the next-gen AAA graphics games will need more than SLI 780ti at 1600p.

If you ever move to 4K, yeah, need much more power.

LOL @ your avatar.
 
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