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[Greenlepricon]

I'd be really happy if they released two reference cards and one used air cooling while the other used water. I would definitely like to add it to a custom loop, so their loop isn't going to work out unless it's expandable. I just can't imagine the whole market would get a single option at launch. It's nice and all, but it's not the norm, and I can imagine a lot of people would like to keep their setup the same if they could already deal with loud and hot cards as is.

That or if the 390 is within 5-10% of the flagship as is usually the case, but uses air instead of water, the loop on the 390X might warrant the premium to get the best. Although the performance itself doesn't necessarily justify the cost, I would bet some people would gladly pitch in money for a slightly faster card with better temp and noise profiles.

Hopefully we'll find out soon. These 290 and even 970 prices are killing me right now, but I'm still holding on to my 7950 for all it's worth.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

If only AMD introduced a flagship card with faster performance than GM200 and superior performance/watt, I want to see the response of NV users as to why they still aren't switching to AMD.

It'll be drivers or the card is too long or it's too hot or mantle is for gays.

 

[DownTheSky]

Dang. Check out Ryse performance (Cryengine). Fiji XT = GM200

 

[alcoholbob]

I think the real question will be overclocking headroom. Will GM200 easily get 200mhz overclocks? If not nvidia wont be able to leverage a $1000 price point IMO.

 

[RussianSensation]

I think the real question will be overclocking headroom. Will GM200 easily get 200mhz overclocks? If not nvidia wont be able to leverage a $1000 price point IMO.

$1000? If that leaked performance is true, NV will be hard pressed to charge $699. I don't believe that 390X will actually beat the flagship GM200 but if it does, I don't see how NV can possibly get away with 780/780Ti $650-699 pricing unless 390X is $799 or something. Also, when was the last time an AMD card couldn't overclock 15%? 200mhz overclocking on GM200 won't be enough to catch up to an overclocked 390X if those benches are true. With a hybrid cooling solution, a 15-17% overclock similar to a hybrid R9 290X OC is not out of the question at below 85C temperatures.

 

[thilanliyan]

$1000? If that leaked performance is true, NV will be hard pressed to charge $699. I don't believe that 390X will actually beat the flagship GM200 but if it does, I don't see how NV can possibly get away with 780/780Ti $650-699 pricing

Comeon man, of course they can get away with it! They are premium remember!

I also don't think Bermuda will match GM200 but it would be great for us consumers...price war!!!

 

[RussianSensation]

Comeon man, of course they can get away with it! They are premium remember!

I also don't think Bermuda will match GM200 but it would be great for us consumers...price war!!!

I have a feeling if 390X really beats GM200, some users on our forum will switch from NV, especially since some of them must be pretty pissed after how NV treated Kepler's driver performance in the latest games. Of course there will be NV loyalists who'll pay $700-1000 for GM200 and even if 390X was given to them for free they wouldn't want it. You already know who they are.

 

[alcoholbob]

It doesn't matter if AMD is faster than Nvidia, if they have more VRAM or compute performance they can charge $1000.00. 290X was $550 and faster than $1000 Titan for like several months before they released the Titan Black.

 

[Grooveriding]

If 390X is faster than GM200 I don't think nvidia will solely put it behind a Titan moniker. They pulled that one with GK110 because they'd slow-dripped out Kepler and GK104 was competitive against Tahiti. So they could drop it for $1000 initially and knew plenty of us would jump on it because it was the only game in town.

If 390X>=GM200, I expect we'll still see a Titan 2 with full DP and piles of VRAM, but also see a 980ti card released in tandem. Gamers don't give a toss for the features Titan offered over standard geforce cards. Hopefully AMD pulls it off, I'd rather not lay out a few grand on a pair of Titans again. Also hope this all happens before March next year and Witcher 3's release.

 

[Silverforce11]

If its true, R380X is close to GM200. R390X would be ~20% faster than the current GM200 sample.

But it doesn't mean much at this point, NV can set a higher TDP target and the boost clocks will go up. They could easily gain another 20% performance allowing TDP into the 275W range.

The only drawback of such a move, would be increased fan speed for the Titan style reference blower and limited OC headroom.

 

[el etro]

What's this source??


If true, seems that AMD gone after full power while Nvidia gone for efficiency. Efficiency is a thing that AMD should try to get. Anyway will be awesome cards.

 

[geoxile]

What's this source??


If true, seems that AMD gone after full power while Nvidia gone for efficiency. Efficiency is a thing that AMD should try to get. Anyway will be awesome cards.

? If that chart's right Fiji sits nicely in between the 980 and GM200 in terms of perf/power. I'd say that's pretty efficient.

 

[Gloomy]

What's this source??


If true, seems that AMD gone after full power while Nvidia gone for efficiency. Efficiency is a thing that AMD should try to get. Anyway will be awesome cards.

AMD seems to have similar efficiency there. Nvidia is 2% faster while using 4% more power, GM200 vs Fiji.

That's well within margin of error, I would think.

 

[tential]

If its true, R380X is close to GM200. R390X would be ~20% faster than the current GM200 sample.

But it doesn't mean much at this point, NV can set a higher TDP target and the boost clocks will go up. They could easily gain another 20% performance allowing TDP into the 275W range.

The only drawback of such a move, would be increased fan speed for the Titan style reference blower and limited OC headroom.

So?
That's literally what Nvidia will say. As long as Nvidia can win the benchmark wars, first to market, anything, that's all that matters.
Nvidia isn't a stupid company, they play to win.
I have 0 doubt no matter how good a chip AMD has, Nvidia will play the launch phase of this masterfully.

 

[Silverforce11]

So?
That's literally what Nvidia will say. As long as Nvidia can win the benchmark wars, first to market, anything, that's all that matters.
Nvidia isn't a stupid company, they play to win.
I have 0 doubt no matter how good a chip AMD has, Nvidia will play the launch phase of this masterfully.

Exactly. NV isn't in a rush to release GM200, not when 970/980 small dies are selling for such good prices.

They will wait for AMD to release R380X and R390X then adjust GM200 to match/beat it. That way, they can sell GM200 for a 25% (match) or 50% (beat it by ~5%) price premium and still be sold out.

 

[mojothehut]

So chances are neither the 380-390 nor the 980 Ti will be out for Christmas?
It's taking so much will power to keep my 7950 going. The upgrade itch is getting epic here

 

[Silverforce11]

In the past several launches, solid Chiphell leaks (and they've been solid!) mean AIBs have samples. Which means it could be anywhere from a month to launch or a few months to build inventory.

Either way, I hope its ready by the time Samsung's 4K Freesync monitors are available.

 

[Red Hawk]

Dang. Check out Ryse performance (Cryengine). Fiji XT = GM200

Interesting to see the Dragon Age Inquisition benchmark in there, too. Is the game really more taxing than Ryse? It looks great, but I'm not sure it's quite as good looking as Ryse.

 

[DiogoDX]

Interesting to see the Dragon Age Inquisition benchmark in there, too. Is the game really more taxing than Ryse? It looks great, but I'm not sure it's quite as good looking as Ryse.

Probably using 4XMSAA for Dragon and SMAA for Ryse.

 

[alcoholbob]

Interesting to see the Dragon Age Inquisition benchmark in there, too. Is the game really more taxing than Ryse? It looks great, but I'm not sure it's quite as good looking as Ryse.

Doesn't the Frostbyte Engine have poor MSAA performance? I'm have no problems running 40-45 fps with a single 980 at Ultra minus Shadows (Medium) with Post Processing AA off and AA off. I imagine with AA off either the GM200 or 390X would hit 60fps with most games at 4K at Ultra Settings.

 

[Red Hawk]

Doesn't the Frostbyte Engine have poor MSAA performance? I'm have no problems running 40-45 fps with a single 980 at Ultra minus Shadows (Medium) with Post Processing AA off and AA off. I imagine with AA off either the GM200 or 390X would hit 60fps with most games at 4K at Ultra Settings.

MSAA in Frostbyte is pretty costly (which is not unexpected, since Frostbyte uses deferred lighting). Meanwhile Ryse doesn't have native MSAA, though it does have SSAA (downsampling is also possible with Dragon Age Inquisition, though you have to go into the config files as it's not usable from the in-game settings). So the difference might be that they're running DAI with MSAA while they're only running Ryse with SMAA or something.

 

[ocre]

When have we ever seen leaks with both Nvidia's future cards and AMDs future cards on them?

I just dont think this leak can be real. I mean, the leak is claiming AMD chip is 20nm, how is that possible. Its just not likely

I really hope AMD can launch a very potent GPU soon, i just think this is a fake leak. Way too suspicious

 

[uclaLabrat]

It would give AMD another 1.5 years to revise their GCN 2.0 to 3.0 and focus on improving perf/watt of the architecture while they wait for 16nm. It's possible that moving to 20nm + HBM + a 2x more efficient perf/watt "28nm architecture" is simply too much at once. Who knows, as I am not an engineer. If NV doesn't go 16nm for Maxwell and sticks to 28nm until Pascal in 2016, then AMD's gamble with stop-gap 20nm will have paid off.



Oh but they will. Didn't you already see some gamers opposing AIO high-end cards? If 390X uses 50W more power on a 350W system than a GM200, it will be brought up. hehe



Me too. 2 cards in CF/SLI max overclocked at 80-83C with all the heat leaving your case, minus the noise of reference 290X/980s at 100% fan speed. EPIC win.

If only AMD introduced a flagship card with faster performance than GM200 and superior performance/watt, I want to see the response of NV users as to why they still aren't switching to AMD.



You really ought to thank raghu and Silverforce for following the news that closely instead of me

The only possible negative I can foresee if 390X being limited to 4GB of VRAM.

Drivers dude, duh. Don't you know AMD can't write drivers that don't crater your card and give your firstborn tourette's?

 

[alcoholbob]

So chances are neither the 380-390 nor the 980 Ti will be out for Christmas?
It's taking so much will power to keep my 7950 going. The upgrade itch is getting epic here

390X engineering samples showed up in Zauba shipping manifests to India a few weeks ago, which means at best tape out was in early November and launch in April or May with a typical 5-6 month tape-out to launch cycle.

GM200 engineering samples showed up in Zauba shipping manifests in India in June 2014, which means Nvidia has a card they could've launched in October or November presuming no yield issues so some suspect they are just waiting for an AMD response to GM204.

tl;dr GM200 has a 5 month head start on 390X and still hasn't been released yet, so either Nvidia is milking the market with overpriced GM204 dies or they have chip yield issues, or a combination of the two.

 

[alcoholbob]

Drivers dude, duh. Don't you know AMD can't write drivers that don't crater your card and give your firstborn tourette's?

You forget brand loyalty. There are people who will buy Bose, Sony, etc no matter how much better a competing product is at the same price point or 10-30% less.