Chick Fill Aye on same sex marry age

[Nebor]

It's a good thing that McDonalds has adequately copied virtually all of Chick-fil-a's menu. I certainly won't be eating at a Chick-fil-a ever again.

 

[Broheim]

That's like saying gun shop owners are really the ones responsible for murder when someone buys a gun from them and kills a person with it.

that has got to be the dumbest analogy I've seen in P&N so far.

 

[Wordplay]

Chick-fil-a is overrated IMO. Every time I ate there the chicken was dried out. The only thing I liked was their peppermint shake.

 

[Throckmorton]

Oh, FFS, have you actually read Leviticus? It says we should kill adulterers, mediums (the spiritual sort, to be clear), and those that curse their parents in the same chapter. I don't see anyone calling for John Edward's head.

People are just squicked by gay sex, get over yourselves.



For added bonus (troll) points, take a look at 19:33-34 and apply it to illegal immigration!

Chick Fil A isn't calling for gays to be killed. It's only supporting organizations that are Christian and therefore oppose gay marriage.

Are we supposed to be outraged that they support organizations that oppose adultery?

After all, it's considered evil now to have an opinion on a social issue right?

 

[PhoenixEnigma]

Chick Fil A isn't calling for gays to be killed. It's only supporting organizations that are Christian and therefore oppose gay marriage.

Are we supposed to be outraged that they support organizations that oppose adultery?

After all, it's considered evil now to have an opinion on a social issue right?

They might not be, but you are implying it.


What I'm saying, really, your statement about the Old Testament's opinions on gays is a non sequitur unless you're proposing we all become ultra-orthodox Jews. We've tossed so much of it already that clinging to a single passage just looks foolish and petty.

 

[Ktulu]

Why wouldn't I read it? That seems rather presumptive on your part. I just simply made a point that the modern definition of marraige was not created until the 12th-13th century and before that it was common for wealthier & powerful men to "marry" multiple women, so for anyone to take the stance that the church has always been all about monogamy is uninformed.

Are you religious?

Doesn't matter if I'm religious or not. You made a claim that's at best misinformed or distorted. When the Catholic Church formally defines something it does not mean prior to that the practice or teaching was unheard of or adheared to. That is an assumption you're making. I'm mearly providing you with evidence that the early Christians knew what marriage is and how they should be behave. I'm not saying you're wrong that the church made a formal declaration, I'm just saying that you're wrong in you assumption of what that declration means. Now what you should be doing is providing me with evidence that prior to the church's statement on marriage Christians were actively engaging in different forms of marriages with the full consent of the church.

 

[classy]

private companies can hold whatever beliefs they want. they are also closed on Sunday.

Agreed he has an opinion and he has that right. I go to his business because they make great food, not because I want his opinion in my own personal life.

 

[Rainsford]

Agreed he has an opinion and he has that right. I go to his business because they make great food, not because I want his opinion in my own personal life.

Well, whether you care about his opinion or not, it's pretty clear that money earned by the business goes to make sure everyone has to live in accordance with his personal opinions. That's a bit harder to swallow than just a business owner who I personally disagree with.

I've been a big fan of Chick-fil-a since I agree they make good fast food, the owner's beliefs aside. But it's kind of hard to ignore where your chicken sandwich and waffle fry money is going. If it was just about ideology, I personally wouldn't have a problem at all.

 

[classy]

Well, whether you care about his opinion or not, it's pretty clear that money earned by the business goes to make sure everyone has to live in accordance with his personal opinions. That's a bit harder to swallow than just a business owner who I personally disagree with.

I've been a big fan of Chick-fil-a since I agree they make good fast food, the owner's beliefs aside. But it's kind of hard to ignore where your chicken sandwich and waffle fry money is going. If it was just about ideology, I personally wouldn't have a problem at all.

LOL

No offense, but its stupid thinking. There is no business owner on this planet that you are going to agree with from a personal standpoint on every social issue. Its his personal opinion, I don't agree with all the organizations Microsoft supports either, doesn't mean I will only run Linux.

 

[Wreckem]

LOL

No offense, but its stupid thinking. There is no business owner on this planet that you are going to agree with from a personal standpoint on every social issue. Its his personal opinion, I don't agree with all the organizations Microsoft supports either, doesn't mean I will only run Linux.

Its not really a comparable situtation.

Most businesses do not fund groups that actively oppose equality. That is what this is. It is about equality. Most businesses support, not oppose equality.

 

[hal2kilo]

What do you know. The closest one to me is in Wichita Kansas. Bet you can count on one hand how many Chic a Fil's are north of the Mason Dixon.

Figures.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Seems like the mindset a lot of us are dancing around here is the one where we're not gay, and thus don't really care that much whether gays can marry or not. Put it to a vote, and I'll most certainly vote in favor of gay marriage, but ask me to inconvenience myself even a little bit (such as by avoiding a restaurant I may enjoy eating at), and I have to refuse. I don't have a horse in that race, but some people think I should act like I do.

 

[Blackjack200]

LOL

No offense, but its stupid thinking. There is no business owner on this planet that you are going to agree with from a personal standpoint on every social issue. Its his personal opinion, I don't agree with all the organizations Microsoft supports either, doesn't mean I will only run Linux.

It's all a question of degree. If I find out the owner of an establishment is a closeted anti-semite, but he doesn't express his views to others, he doesn't give money to anti semetic groups, and is in all other ways indistinguishable from a non anti-semite, I might not be happy about his view, but I may still do business with him. If the guy is spending his weekends burning crosses on people's lawns, that's different.

BTW, I wonder what Christianity has to say about feeding people greasy, unhealthy food?

 

[Blackjack200]

Seems like the mindset a lot of us are dancing around here is the one where we're not gay, and thus don't really care that much whether gays can marry or not. Put it to a vote, and I'll most certainly vote in favor of gay marriage, but ask me to inconvenience myself even a little bit (such as by avoiding a restaurant I may enjoy eating at), and I have to refuse. I don't have a horse in that race, but some people think I should act like I do.

If the company was giving money to the Ku Klux Klan, would you avoid them then?

 

[modestninja]

LOL

No offense, but its stupid thinking. There is no business owner on this planet that you are going to agree with from a personal standpoint on every social issue. Its his personal opinion, I don't agree with all the organizations Microsoft supports either, doesn't mean I will only run Linux.

So if the owner were actively supporting organizations that were trying to impose Sharia law in the US, you'd be fine eating there?

 

[SlitheryDee]

If the company was giving money to the Ku Klux Klan, would you avoid them then?

Not if I liked their food.

 

[Blackjack200]

Wow.

 

[zinfamous]

LOL

No offense, but its stupid thinking. There is no business owner on this planet that you are going to agree with from a personal standpoint on every social issue. Its his personal opinion, I don't agree with all the organizations Microsoft supports either, doesn't mean I will only run Linux.

again: this isn't HIS OPINION. it's the fact that he uses your money to openly support these organizations.

guys: get off the dead horse of "this is simply his beliefs" and accept that you support his desire to end gay marriage and convert homosexuals. Because that is what he is funneling money into.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Wow.

I say that now, but if the KKK were to become an organization that affected my life somehow I would have reason to boycott them. I don't want to read about the KKK lynching folks in my town for instance. If the KKK were merely a group of some kind that acted within the law, like Chic Fil A certainly is in this instance, I would have no beef with them.

 

[Blackjack200]

I say that now, but if the KKK were to become an organization that affected my life somehow I would have reason to boycott them. I don't want to read about the KKK lynching folks in my town for instance. If the KKK were merely a group of some kind that acted within the law, like Chic Fil A certainly is in this instance, I would have no beef with them.

Okay, so if we were living in the pre civil-rights era, you would have no problem patronizing restaurants that only served whites?

 

[Thump553]

Went there once, will never go again.

KT

Same opinion. Was on an interstate road trip and decided to check one out. Overpriced, incredibly greasy and rather pedestrian chicken. Like Krispy Kreme a vastly overhyped chain that fails upon reality.

 

[zinfamous]

Same opinion. Was on an interstate road trip and decided to check one out. Overpriced, incredibly greasy and rather pedestrian chicken. Like Krispy Kreme a vastly overhyped chain that fails upon reality.

you guys jsut don't know Krispy Kreme

Dunkin Donuts is a pale replacement. Problem with Krispy Kreme was that they never should have expanded beyond what they were. And if you don't have them fresh then it is, indeed, pretty disappointing.

 

[Texashiker]

How does not eating there constitute a restriction on their rights to make a decision?

The organization is free to express their beliefs, and make donations accordingly, and Platypus is free to disagree with them and call for a boycott to express his disagreement. No ones' rights are being trampled.

A boycott is an attempt to punish someone for their opinion.

If someone disagrees with the homosexual lifestyle, that person should not be punished.

 

[Sinsear]

Chik Fil A is awesome. This makes me want to eat there more.

 

[werepossum]

If I were gay and God wanted to judge me for it the first question I would ask is "Why did you make me this way?"

Exactly. One could to a degree make the same argument about pederasts who are also presumably born that way, but since children can't give informed consent, sex with children is inherently predatory. (And extremely icky to contemplate.) Homosexual sex is between two consenting adults, so I can't see homosexuals are doing anything wrong by following their presumably G-d-given sexual orientations. At any rate, regardless of why someone chooses to have homosexual sex there's no victim to be protected, and since constraining the freedom of a competent adult because you presumably know best how he should live is an evil deed, the morality of homosexuality should be between its practitioners and G-d, just as is choosing to eat pork or wear a wool blend shirt.

Honor the man who seeks to know G-d's will. Fear the man who says he knows it.

I suppose it's the difference between disagreeing on personal beliefs and having to deal with personal beliefs in non-political situations. A coworker who believes something differently than you do is someone you can work with...a coworker who makes work a forum for his personal views, regardless of who agrees with him or not, is going to widely be considered an asshole who's hard to work with.

To put it another way, my relationship with McDonald's is entirely about getting fast food when I'm in a rush. I'm sure the people behind the company have political beliefs, but I don't know what they are, nor do their beliefs seem to be a major part of their business. It doesn't matter whether I agree with them or not, because it's not a factor in doing business with them. On the other hand, it's pretty hard to get away from Chick-fil-a being synonymous with aggressively conservative Christian viewpoints, to the point where they proudly give considerable financial support to causes I strongly disagree with.

It's an image thing more than anything else. For better or worse, I'd rather not feel like buying a chicken sandwich comes with a free side of gay bashing...

It's a subject on which each individual must make up her own mind. Personally, just as I don't mind Progressive spending my dues on things with which I disagree, I don't mind Chik-Fil-A spending my money on things with which I disagree. Because after all, once I freely give it to them, it's THEIR money, and at the end of the day both are good companies that provide good services at fair prices, do lots of good commendable things, and treat their employees pretty darned good. As long as they aren't doing anything overtly evil I respect their freedom to live their lives and spend their profits as they wish.

But I certainly have no problem with those for whom this makes patronizing them unacceptable. It's good to have morals and live by them, whether or not we exactly agree on those morals.

Right but the definition of it as one man and one woman in monogamy for the rest of their lives is a more modern concept, as I said and you so dutifily ignored.

Um, marriage was defined by the Jewish faith (of which Christianity is an offshoot) as one man and one woman bound together for life by the Grace of G-d far predating the birth of Christ.

I personally think the reasons for this were valid at the time but have become obsolete once wars were no longer decided largely by population (and once we conquered hygiene) so that if one opposes homosexual marriage, one is obligated in good faith to also follow a Biblical diet (no pork or shellfish or catfish) and prohibitions against such things as mixing fibers in a field or a garment. Even you believe in the Bible as a literal book of commands, or you do not, and if not, you should allow others the courtesy as long as they aren't directly hurting anyone.

I do however believe in such people letting go the requirements for murdering those who transgress. That makes it SO hard to get along with the neighbors and makes Independence Day barbeques a bit, um, awkward.