Child pornography investigation

[RegularK]

This is all pretty upsetting to me. To be very candid, you would be surprised by the number of "normal looking" sex offenders (especially of minors) in your neighborhood. I went online to check the registered sex offenders in my area a while back and I was pretty surprised that I had recognized several people on that list (None of these people were people i knew well or anything... but I work in a pharmacy and deal with a lot of interesting people )...

One instance I remember was this man (probably mid-40s) coming in and picking up a prescription for Viagra. He made a comment about my nostril piercing and I sent him on his way and didn't think anything of it. Everyday that week, he had called the pharmacy to see if I was working. Finally, when he got a hold of me on the phone, he asked me out...very nonchalantly too (I was barely legal at the time). We all got a good laugh about it in the pharmacy...until I went browsing the databases for sex offenders in my area out of curiosity and found his picture on it stating that he was registered for child molestation...Now it's just a little, disturbing story i tell on occasion.

I have pictures when I was probably 2 or 3 years old swimming with my cousins in a kiddie pool...happy and naked. We didn't think anything of it back then...These were just captured memories. By today's standards, this would probably fall in the category of kiddie porn, and it disgusts me that the innocence is lost.

Sorry for the long-winded post...and if there are any typographical errors..too bad.

Edit: I would hate to be in your shoes...and I would be enraged too...

 

[Kipper]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Yes, chemical castration is used as one form of treatment for serial recidivist sex offenders.

edit: for example, these men will be given injections of depo-provera or other anti-androgens which reduce their sex drive.

Ah, but this "treatment" is court-mandated due to past behavior (i.e. sexual deviance), isn't it? So it is punishment...unless you're suggesting the offenders volunteer for the castration and aren't forced to choose between it and something worse.

Edit: discussing the semantics of this is ridiculous, I realize. I'm sorry I ever got involved in this stupid argument.

 

[Rogue]

I have pictures when I was probably 2 or 3 years old swimming with my cousins in a kiddie pool...happy and naked. We didn't think anything of it back then...These were just captured memories. By today's standards, this would probably fall in the category of kiddie porn, and it disgusts me that the innocence is lost.

That only constitutes kiddie porn if some rotten bastard of a human gets hold of it and gets "happy" from it. Normal people think like we do, these fvcks don't.

 

[Kipper]

Originally posted by: Rogue

I have pictures when I was probably 2 or 3 years old swimming with my cousins in a kiddie pool...happy and naked. We didn't think anything of it back then...These were just captured memories. By today's standards, this would probably fall in the category of kiddie porn, and it disgusts me that the innocence is lost.

That only constitutes kiddie porn if some rotten bastard of a human gets hold of it and gets "happy" from it. Normal people think like we do, these fvcks don't.

Not really. There is a fine line to be drawn between art and obscenity. Generally speaking, if the images or media portrays children in lewd or lascivious sexually provocative positions or acts, it will be consituted pornography...

The bathtub pictures (which virtually any parent has dozens of) fall more along the lines of art - there are dozens of photo books and publications from nudist organizations which depict children in the buff - all legal, at least, in the United States.

 

[vtqanh]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

That may be true, but in my experience the American justice system is so totally corrupted that I simply don't have that faith. It's morally reprehensible that I should be required to pay a man to keep myself out of prison for something I didn't do.

Furthermore, no one is FORCED to do something that's wrong. If a case is wrong, if a law unjust, a judge or attorney can simply choose not to take part in it. Yes, they'll likely lose their jobs over such actions, but a job is not more important than what's right or wrong. I have lost MANY jobs because I was told to do something I didn't believe in and refused. In my opinion, that is the only course of action for a good person to take. Should a lawyer/judge prosecute a case they don't believe in, they are in essence intentionally comitting the crime of wrongful prosecution. Wrongful not based on law, but on the justice and morality that law is supposed to represent. The system should never be allowed to become more than the intentions which created it.

It's really pretty fundamental.

I think your take on our justice system is completely inaccurate, and you're giving prosecutors too much credit if you think they're systematically and willfully taking unwarranted prosecutions to trial. I've been actively involved in the criminal justice system for the last 8 years, working in 3 states, 4 federal districts, and the military, and have never seen a prosecutor bring a case he or she didn't think was justified (with the minor but notable exception of one rape case, in which I believed the alleged victim was raped, but knew the accused would likely be acquitted for evidentiary reasons -we gave her her day in court, and he walked away a free man). I certainly think some prosecutors cut corners they shouldn't, and even occasionally engage in misconduct to strengthen cases against what they believe are guilty parties, but this is EXTREMELY rare, if reprehensible.

You also don't appear to understand the role of judges - it would hardly behoove the defendant if a judge refused to hear a weak case - again, my mother acquitted a man just last week for alleged computer porn offenses. The American judicial system (unlike some others) does not put the judge in a prosecutorial posture.

I doubt it

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: waggy
depends on the kids in the porn under 15? the person should be shot. anything ehlse? shrug hard to say.


odd that they had you do this.

What the hell does it matter if they are under 15? Do you think that maybe some of the participants in this type of porn do it against their will even if they are over 15? There are adult women out there in the world that are forced to be used as sex toys. It doesn't matter what age.

hahahaha.

I really do not know where to start on this. While there are women forced to be sex toys (Indonesia and such are bad for it) that is not the question at hand. Kiddie porn is.

There is a big difference in a person who looks and gets off on pictures of 4-12 yr old girls and one who gets off on 16-17 yr old girls (all fall in the kiddie porn law). I am all for castration (without pain blockers at that) for those that get off on 4-12yr olds. heck i have even turned one guy in for it and was the main reason he went to jail.

But 16+ is a different story. Men are hard wired in to look at them. that is the age where they start to "bloom" and usually the most beautiful. Over the last oh 100 years it has became taboo to marry kids that young even though it has been the norm for most of the time.

Hahaha funny topic here. You do make a valid point. However, the only difference I see that a 4-12 year child may not have the cognative reasoning to understand being exploited where as an older teenage does. A 16+ year old teenager is still a child in my book. They may seem so grown up nowadays but they stil have a lots of growing up to do whether they have "bloomed" or not.

All I would like to add is that if someone violated my daughter in that way if she is over 15 I would probably use 1 bullet on the perpetrator. If she is under 15, maybe I will shoot them in the nuts first.

Statistically speaking you do realize that at 15 your daughter will probably be having more sex than you do, right? Not trying to provoke, just a simple fact of the day. You can stress and blubber all you want, but odds are it's GOING to happen.

Maybe so, but I will raise her to be mature and know her responsibilities. If she chooses to have sex at 15 then so be it, it will be her choice, not some rapists choice.

 

[thirtythree]

Some of these comments remind me of this thread...

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: waggy
depends on the kids in the porn under 15? the person should be shot. anything ehlse? shrug hard to say.


odd that they had you do this.

What the hell does it matter if they are under 15? Do you think that maybe some of the participants in this type of porn do it against their will even if they are over 15? There are adult women out there in the world that are forced to be used as sex toys. It doesn't matter what age.

hahahaha.

I really do not know where to start on this. While there are women forced to be sex toys (Indonesia and such are bad for it) that is not the question at hand. Kiddie porn is.

There is a big difference in a person who looks and gets off on pictures of 4-12 yr old girls and one who gets off on 16-17 yr old girls (all fall in the kiddie porn law). I am all for castration (without pain blockers at that) for those that get off on 4-12yr olds. heck i have even turned one guy in for it and was the main reason he went to jail.

But 16+ is a different story. Men are hard wired in to look at them. that is the age where they start to "bloom" and usually the most beautiful. Over the last oh 100 years it has became taboo to marry kids that young even though it has been the norm for most of the time.

Hahaha funny topic here. You do make a valid point. However, the only difference I see that a 4-12 year child may not have the cognative reasoning to understand being exploited where as an older teenage does. A 16+ year old teenager is still a child in my book. They may seem so grown up nowadays but they stil have a lots of growing up to do whether they have "bloomed" or not.

All I would like to add is that if someone violated my daughter in that way if she is over 15 I would probably use 1 bullet on the perpetrator. If she is under 15, maybe I will shoot them in the nuts first.

Statistically speaking you do realize that at 15 your daughter will probably be having more sex than you do, right? Not trying to provoke, just a simple fact of the day. You can stress and blubber all you want, but odds are it's GOING to happen.

Maybe so, but I will raise her to be mature and know her responsibilities. If she chooses to have sex at 15 then so be it, it will be her choice, not some rapists choice.

TOTALLY agree (which is why my daughter is a lifetime martial arts and self defense student), I was just pointing out that sometimes this 'molestation' is nothing of the sort. Personally if it were true molestation/rape, I'd most definately kill the bastard(s). In fact, there's a very good chance my daughter was molested as a young child (under 5). I 'think' that it was my ex-wifes friend (who has since been convicted of other molestations), but because I don't know for certain I can't kill the worthless little prikc. If he ever confesses to it, he dies that night. Period.

 

[Terumo]

Originally posted by: Rogue
I have never been so filled with hatred in my life until I had to view the evidence for a child pornography case today. The attorney needed assistance in locating information on some of the information contained in the pictures, so unfortunately, I had to view the evidence. I could literally kill someone right now because of what I just had to see. Rage is the only word that can begin to explain what I feel at this moment.

Has anyone else had the misfortune of assisting in such a thing? I need some moral support right now.

Kudos for you to bring justice to those too young to defend themselves. My dad setup and maintained the our local VICAP data base (he was the chief crime scene tech), so can relate at the rage. It was his job to take all that evidence and look for it. It is NOT pleasant.

Just try to do something recreational to get your mind off of it. If you don't distance yourself from the utter depravity man can do to man and beast, it can consume you. It's important because few touch cases like that as the burn out is high (even the beefiest cop can break down and cry over an abuse case with a child). You're human, and your response shows us all you haven't become an machine, too.

May justice be swift to the offender.

 

[SunSamurai]

Apart for the obvious, a sad thing about this is that society tends to create these people more than not. How many of you have turned on the TV recently? Indeed it is so wrong for children to be looked at in this manner of light, then why do we keep letting clothing, music and other types of manufacturers lead some of our women and men to dress and act as some do so early in life? They learn this from ages 10-13 and youngter. We as a society cannot put full blame where full blame does not belong. The cycle will continue indefinitely if we do not stop it where it starts.

This does not mean that same people are simple sick and need physical intervention. It?s about DISCIPLAIN.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: aeternitas
Apart for the obvious, a sad thing about this is that society tends to create these people more than not. How many of you have turned on the TV recently? Indeed it is so wrong for children to be looked at in this manner of light, then why do we keep letting clothing, music and other types of manufacturers lead some of our women and men to dress and act as some do so early in life? They learn this from ages 10-13 and youngter. We as a society cannot put full blame where full blame does not belong. The cycle will continue indefinitely if we do not stop it where it starts.

This does not mean that same people are simple sick and need physical intervention. It?s about DISCIPLAIN.

Actually I'm fairly sure that would be DISCIPLINE.

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: Mo0o
Didn't someone's family photos get hotlinked to a child porn site?

I think I remember seeing that on DPReview not too long ago...

Regardless, this kind of thing is very sick - there are no excuses for the behavior. I'm glad to hear the guy is where he belongs. :|