Children don't inherit their parents' debts... until now [Program halted now]

[Jhhnn]

So Obama wont deport illegal immigrants but will collect decades old debts.

Better to be an illegal then a citizen.

Hate-Um Obama! no matter what, huh?

He likely didn't hear about this much sooner than the rest of us, if at all.

Chief executives are like that, simply not able to micro manage every detail of how the govt works. Now that the story is out there, let's see what happens.

Or are the usual suspects going to demand that he "Enforce the Law!" as with MJ legalization in CO?

Careful here, lest you get all bollixed up, create a double loop of your head up your ass.

 

[werepossum]

Wow that is shitty.

So in that same context, since my dad is considered 90% disabled by the VA from his time in the service (left in '68) and he didn't start getting benefit payments until 2012, does that mean the government owes him 44 years of back payments since they underpaid him?

Nope, government power flows only one direction.

I don't see how a court can uphold this.

A minor can't even legally enter into a contract. I don't see how they can be held responsible.

Paying back someone else's debt is utter BS.

Fern

I think we've already established that the federal government is completely beyond the law.

This is what you losers voted for, the government to take away everything you have and give you back what it thinks you need.

Yep. Power granted will be power used, every time.

 

[Schmide]

So Obama wont deport illegal immigrants but will collect decades old debts.

Better to be an illegal then a citizen.

Considering the SSA was headed until Feb of this year by a Bush appointee Michael J. Astrue (REPUBLICAN!!!). Get a fcking clue.

 

[werepossum]

This just seems wrong on so many levels. I agree with Fern on the legality of this. I hate to admit it, I kinda miss Bush...........................

I admire your willingness to admit when you're wrong, but methinks you've jumped the gun here. If this was passed over Bush's veto in 2008, can't hardly blame Obama. Blame the Democrats collectively, certainly, but not specifically Obama who was but one of a hundred and being a backbencher with grand aspirations building a campaign he probably had no clue this was even there.

 

[Zorkorist]

Blame Government...

because any sane person would realize that one persons debt does not reflect on another.

-John

 

[Genx87]

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You can thank the Republicans for this little manuever: "The aggressive effort to collect old debts started three years ago — the result of a single sentence tucked into the farm bill lifting the 10-year statute of limitations on old debts to Uncle Sam."

Edit: Nope I stand corrected, found information on who sponsored the bill: The bill was sponsered by Collin Peterson D MN. The bill was passed by the 110th congress. It was written by democrats who controlled both the House and the Senate at the time. The bill was vetoed by Bush. The veto was over ridden in June 2008.

Of course it was a MN politician.

 

[norseamd]

Of course it was a MN politician.

surprised i guess but look what fucktard we get with amy klobachar

fuck michelle bachman is from my district and not too glad that she became well known across the country

 

[VirtualLarry]

Here is the law in question:


http://www.nrcs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb1045988.pdf

I think it might be a question of law whether old debt that had expired under the previous state of limitation can still be considered "outstanding". Clearly, govt lawyers think it can.

Passing a law that is applied retroactively is pretty rare because it is consider highly unfair to do so.

Congress needs to fix this.

Fern

It's not just "highly unfair" - it's straight up unconstitutional.

Section. 9.

No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.

Edit: Not to mention:

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

 

[lamedude]

Platts was my Congress critter. This has been a week of bad news for me.:'(

 

[michal1980]

holy fuck you need to find a fucking fire

obama deporting a shit ton of mexicans is what got him in trouble around the election and he had to try to aplease mexicans to avoid getting defeated in the election

obama deported far many more mexicans than bush ever did

he's not deporting a shit ton of Mexicans. He changed the definition of deportation to make it look like he has.

When in reality he is continually not enforcing immigration laws.

 

[michal1980]

Hate-Um Obama! no matter what, huh?

He likely didn't hear about this much sooner than the rest of us, if at all.

Chief executives are like that, simply not able to micro manage every detail of how the govt works. Now that the story is out there, let's see what happens.

Or are the usual suspects going to demand that he "Enforce the Law!" as with MJ legalization in CO?

Careful here, lest you get all bollixed up, create a double loop of your head up your ass.

ahh playing the ignorance card again.

For being the smartest president in American history this guy sure doesn't know a lot about a lot of things.

and he mirco manages on immigration and health care.

So to say he's not able to mirco managed is stupid, since everyone knows he does it. Maybe fill out one fewer bracket,

 

[Jhhnn]

he's not deporting a shit ton of Mexicans. He changed the definition of deportation to make it look like he has.

When in reality he is continually not enforcing immigration laws.

That's ridiculously lame. The number of Mexicans unwillingly sent to the other side of the border has never been higher than during Obama's first term. Simple fact. Deal with it.

 

[Jhhnn]

ahh playing the ignorance card again.

For being the smartest president in American history this guy sure doesn't know a lot about a lot of things.

and he mirco manages on immigration and health care.

So to say he's not able to mirco managed is stupid, since everyone knows he does it. Maybe fill out one fewer bracket,

So, uhh, Obama can micro manage all aspects of govt simultaneously, given that he'd have to be omniscient to even attempt it.

It's dastardly the way he shirks the responsibility to right all wrongs, even when he may be unaware that they exist, if only in your hate filled imagination. It's currently all over the News, so I'll withhold judgement until I see how it unfolds. That's only fair, regardless of who's president.

What happened to the "Enforce the Law!" routine, anyway? How short does memory have to be to achieve the flip-flops required to sustain your headset?

 

[Zodiark1593]

Gov wants to pull that on my, I'll give them a nice fat Raspberry with a little Birdie on the side.

 

[michal1980]

That's ridiculously lame. The number of Mexicans unwillingly sent to the other side of the border has never been higher than during Obama's first term. Simple fact. Deal with it.

Its not a fact the number of illegals deported from inside the country has dropped.

even the lib papers spinning as much as they can state so

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...me-mostly-from-border-dhs-chief-say/?page=all

Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson acknowledged Tuesday that his department’s deportation numbers are now mostly made up of illegal immigrants caught at the border, not just those from the interior, which means they can’t be compared one-to-one with deportations under President Bush or other prior administrations.



So Obama is inflating his numbers so that moron sheep like you think he's though on illegals. when reality is he isnt

 

[Jhhnn]

Its not a fact the number of illegals deported from inside the country has dropped.

even the lib papers spinning as much as they can state so

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...me-mostly-from-border-dhs-chief-say/?page=all

Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson acknowledged Tuesday that his department’s deportation numbers are now mostly made up of illegal immigrants caught at the border, not just those from the interior, which means they can’t be compared one-to-one with deportations under President Bush or other prior administrations.



So Obama is inflating his numbers so that moron sheep like you think he's though on illegals. when reality is he isnt

So, uhh, they're better at catching illegals at the border, resulting in exactly what I said. That means fewer get to the interior. Oh, wait... that makes too much sense, doesn't it?

Where's that quote?

What about "Enforce the Law!"?

And what does immigration have to do with old SS debts, anyway, other than serving as a much needed duh-version into the usual Hate-Um Obama!?

You always find a way to flippity-floppity back to that, regardless of the length or number of leaps of faith required to get there.

 

[Schmide]

This is not about deportations. Start a new thread if you still have that privlege!

 

[michal1980]

So, uhh, they're better at catching illegals at the border, resulting in exactly what I said. That means fewer get to the interior. Oh, wait... that makes too much sense, doesn't it?

Where's that quote?

What about "Enforce the Law!"?

And what does immigration have to do with old SS debts, anyway, other than serving as a much needed duh-version into the usual Hate-Um Obama!?

You always find a way to flippity-floppity back to that, regardless of the length or number of leaps of faith required to get there.

1 - Learn to read. Obama isn't deporting more people, he is counting people as deported that have not been counted as 'deported' before. So he is not increasing deportations, and in fact is decreasing the deportations of illegals once they get into the country

2- This isn't a diversion, if the left and Obama are constant in their policies they can just not enforce this part of the law.

Given those facts, its better to be an illegal in this country, then to have an ancient newly discovered government over payment. Because if your an illegal in this country Obama and the left will ignore your law breaking, but if your a legal citizen with a very old debt, the feds are going to get you.

 

[michal1980]

This is not about deportations. Start a new thread if you still have that privlege!

It have a lot to do with how this administration works. If you are an illegal, they will ignore your crime. Owe a 10+ year old just recently discovered federal debt, they will ruin your life.

 

[Schmide]

It have a lot to do with how this administration works. If you are an illegal, they will ignore your crime. Owe a 10+ year old just recently discovered federal debt, they will ruin your life.

Then start a fcking thread about how you think the administration works. BUT DONT FCKING DERAIL THIS THREAD PLEASE!!!

 

[Jhhnn]

Its not a fact the number of illegals deported from inside the country has dropped.

even the lib papers spinning as much as they can state so

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...me-mostly-from-border-dhs-chief-say/?page=all

Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson acknowledged Tuesday that his department’s deportation numbers are now mostly made up of illegal immigrants caught at the border, not just those from the interior, which means they can’t be compared one-to-one with deportations under President Bush or other prior administrations.



So Obama is inflating his numbers so that moron sheep like you think he's though on illegals. when reality is he isnt

First off, the Washington Times is far from a lib paper. It's the mouthpiece of the Unification Church.

Second, Your own reading comprehension is abysmal. An illegal apprehended near the border & sent back is, by definition, deported. So is a person apprehended in Detroit or anywhere else, for that matter. Both have been deported. 1 + 1 = 2 deportations, no matter where they were found. Simple fact, other than in your fevered need to claim otherwise.

It is a shift in enforcement policy, concentrating on preventing new illegal immigrants from getting to the interior of the country. How is that a bad thing, given the record numbers of such deportations & limited resources of ICE & Customs? Or should we let new ones in just as fast as we throw old ones out, maybe faster?

WTF does this have to do with tax refunds other than your need to duh-vert into more comfortable ranting territory?

Where's that quote, the one you need to cover your previous accusations? Step up, sir- you made certain claims as to what I've said, so now it's time to put up or Man Up, if you can muster the integrity & fortitude to do so.

Try it. We're all wrong from time to time. How we deal with that determines a man's true character. Always has, always will. Here's your chance. Show us what you're made of.

But, I mean, really, shouldn't Obama just "Enforce the Law!" as Righties have demanded wrt other issues?

 

[Schmide]

Take it to another thread dude!!!!

 

[her209]

I like it. If a child can inherit wealth, they should also be able to inherit debt. Why should a creditor get screwed because the borrower kicked the bucket?

 

[nehalem256]

T
The rationale is that if the parent received survivors benefits that were paid for the benefit of the children, then the children should have to repay. I'm astounded.

Seems to me liberals logic is just being applied in a way that makes it look as retarded as it actually is.

Liberals like to claim that welfare/food stamp/medicaid/etc payments to single moms are really going "to the children". And you wouldn't want to take things away from poor innocent children right?

So, it therefore seems like if over payments of benefits are made that it is really being overpaid "to the children". And therefore "the children" should be responsible for repaying the over payments.

 

[Fern]

I like it. If a child can inherit wealth, they should also be able to inherit debt. Why should a creditor get screwed because the borrower kicked the bucket?

Damn, that's probably the dumbest thing I've read .

Fern