Children don't inherit their parents' debts... until now [Program halted now]

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cubby1223

Lifer
May 24, 2004
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And still people will take it up the ass happily.

We have to. How else am I going to keep my free obamaphone if not for my unconditional love of the government? How else are my kids going to be fed growing up in public school if not for Michelle's generosity?

I know of no other way to live except by the good graces of our leaders.

Someone else lands on hard times, I'm sorry, my hands are tied, if I come to your aid I risk losing my aid.
 

PokerGuy

Lifer
Jul 2, 2005
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Wow, that's some kind of screwed up. Hopefully the courts throw this out and put an end to it once and for all. A good example of how once you grant government any power, it will be used and abused, no matter all the assurances that it won't.
 

Jhhnn

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Nov 11, 1999
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We have to. How else am I going to keep my free obamaphone if not for my unconditional love of the government? How else are my kids going to be fed growing up in public school if not for Michelle's generosity?

I know of no other way to live except by the good graces of our leaders.

Someone else lands on hard times, I'm sorry, my hands are tied, if I come to your aid I risk losing my aid.

Hhmmm... I sense a leap of Faith into irrational duh-versionary raving about de ebil gubmint mode.

Or perhaps you'd care to explain how that relates to the topic at hand in some other way.

Good luck with that.
 

Zaap

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Wow, that's some kind of screwed up. Hopefully the courts throw this out and put an end to it once and for all. A good example of how once you grant government any power, it will be used and abused, no matter all the assurances that it won't.
The only thing government or any of its rabid bootlickers really care about that relates to this is: how can they keep doing this, and much more, just not get caught at it. They'll probably just resort to the usual- demonizing everyone who falls victim to this sort of thing as 'greedy' and 'rich' and 'unwilling to pay their fair share' and all the other bullshit they usually use. Once they start ringing those bells, the usual govt suck-ups will fall right in line, covering for their precious government and demonizing their fellow citizens. It never fails.
 

OutHouse

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I like it. If a child can inherit wealth, they should also be able to inherit debt. Why should a creditor get screwed because the borrower kicked the bucket?

So you are cool with the government putting you into the poor house for your aunt debts?
 

1prophet

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Aug 17, 2005
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It's over, this was too much of a hot potato for anyone to defend it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit..._story.html?algtrack=mixedrec-1&tid=btm_rex_1

The Social Security Administration announced Monday it will immediately cease efforts to collect on taxpayers’ debts to the government that are more than 10 years old.
The action comes after The Washington Post reported that the government is seizing state and federal tax refunds that were on their way to about 400,000 Americans who had relatives who owed money to Social Security. In many cases, the people whose refunds were intercepted had never heard of any debt and the debts dated as far back as the middle of the past century.

“I have directed an immediate halt to further referrals under the Treasury Offset Program to recover debts owed to the agency that are 10 years old and older pending a thorough review of our responsibility and discretion under the current law,” Social Security’s acting commissioner, Carolyn Colvin, said in a statement.


Colvin said that anyone who received Social Security or Supplemental Security Income benefits and “believes they have been incorrectly assessed with an overpayment” should contact the agency and “seek options to resolve the overpayment.”


The effort to collect on old debts began with a single line in the 2008 farm bill, lifting the statute of limitations on debts to the government that are more than 10 years old. The Treasury Department then set up rules that allowed the government to settle such debts by intercepting taxpayers’ refunds. Treasury has collected about $2 billion in intercepted tax refunds this year, $75 million of that on debts delinquent for more than 10 years.
 

Schmide

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Good news. Hopefully this gets repealed in law rather than just fading away until no one is paying attention anymore, then reinstated.

And hopefully the good people of Minnesota kick Collin Peterhead out of office so hard he bounces.

Dude such miss information??? Never miss an opportunity to lie and blame.

Just because you chair a committee doesn't make you responsible for 100% of the laws passed by that body.

Lets put responsibility on

SSA - Michael J. Astrue (GONE!)
Most likely bill author - Todd Russell Platts (GONE!)

anything else is just baiting.
 

werepossum

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Jul 10, 2006
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Dude such miss information??? Never miss an opportunity to lie and blame.

Just because you chair a committee doesn't make you responsible for 100% of the laws passed by that body.

Lets put responsibility on

SSA - Michael J. Astrue (GONE!)
Most likely bill author - Todd Russell Platts (GONE!)

anything else is just baiting.
This is 90% of the problem with Congress, the idea that one is not responsible for what comes out of one's committee. Every committee chair and ranking minority member needs to be held responsible for every single thing in every bill they pass out of committee, and every single Congresscritter needs to be held responsible for every single thing in every bill for which they vote. If it's a good and necessary bill with just a horrendous addition, or if you tried to kill it but didn't have the votes, then be responsible for at least raising holy hell so that people know the stink bomb is inside. As it stands, far too much egregious crap coming out of Congress is considered "just a bunch of stuff that happened" and no one is ever held responsible for it. Power without responsibility is a very bad thing.
 

Schmide

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You can't micro and macro manage everything dude.

In reality they just have to take out the hidden rider.
 

werepossum

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You can't micro and macro manage everything dude.

In reality they just have to take out the hidden rider.
Surely they can at least read everything. And unfortunately, taking out the hidden rider is what should have been done at the committee level. Now it is a matter of law and can be enforced (or apparently now, ignored) at government's whim.
 

Ns1

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Jun 17, 2001
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Surely they can at least read everything. And unfortunately, taking out the hidden rider is what should have been done at the committee level. Now it is a matter of law and can be enforced (or apparently now, ignored) at government's whim.

1 sentence in what surely must be a 100+ page bill, given 2 days before the deadline.
 

werepossum

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1 sentence in what surely must be a 100+ page bill, given 2 days before the deadline.
Yes. EVERY sentence. EVERY word. EVERY bill.

These are the things that ruin lives, and there is absolutely no excuse for allowing them to slip through and become law.
 
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Wow that is shitty.

So in that same context, since my dad is considered 90% disabled by the VA from his time in the service (left in '68) and he didn't start getting benefit payments until 2012, does that mean the government owes him 44 years of back payments since they underpaid him?

No, of course not, only if the back pay works in their favor.
 
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This is just the start of stuff like this. In another 10 years things are going to be getting aggressive in terms of getting tax revenue. The IRS is getting many other countries to agree to treaties for finding overseas US money.

I like how it is a one way street. If the government underpaid you, too bad lol.

open this up a bit more...not sure what you're talking about
 
Dec 30, 2004
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holy fuck you need to find a fucking fire

obama deporting a shit ton of mexicans is what got him in trouble around the election and he had to try to aplease mexicans to avoid getting defeated in the election

obama deported far many more mexicans than bush ever did

what? source please
 

Jhhnn

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Surely they can at least read everything.

Surely you can second guess anybody when it suits your hate-um gubmint agenda.

People fucked up, on more than one level. They're getting it right. Too bad it didn't get sorted out earlier, or that it never happened.

You can probably let go of it, no matter how much it hurts.
 

IGBT

Lifer
Jul 16, 2001
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this could easily go the other way too i.e. parents responsible for their kids financial recklessness.
 

Jhhnn

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No its not over. they are still going after kids for their parents debts they just put a cap on anything older than 10 years. and they are keeping the 2 BILLION they have confiscated.

So apparently the law is being enforced as it was prior to being changed in 2008. Apparently the difference in right wing perception is because... Obama!

How can they legally return money already confiscated under law? Until the law itself is ruled unconstitutional or congress decrees it, it would be illegal to do so.

The Obama Admin has basically declared a moratorium until congress acts. It's a start- it's what they can do. Email your congress critters- it's a snap.

The Admin may be able to turn it around completely by allowing a constitutional ruling against the statute to stand unopposed, as they did with DOMA. We'll have to wait for that, too.
 
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OutHouse

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So apparently the law is being enforced as it was prior to being changed in 2008. Apparently the difference in right wing perception is because... Obama!

1 proof of this

2 why is everything a rightwing/leftwing thing with you?

3 holding the children of parents accountable for something that happened when they were minors and without due process is unconstitutional as fuck.
 
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Jhhnn

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1 proof of this

The proof is in the 2008 measure itself, linked earlier, which merely removes the statute of limitations. Post #29.

2 why is everything a rightwing/leftwing thing with you?

Because this thread & many others are examples of raving right wing anti-gubmint circle jerks. One well indoctrinated malcontent lies & the rest swear to it, or at least let it stand. Jaskalas compared it to mass murder and none of the usual suspects objected in the slightest, just raved on in their own irrational ways.

3 holding the children of parents accountable for something that happened when they were minors and without due process is unconstitutional as fuck.

I agreed with that assessment from the beginning. All debts of the deceased must be settled with the estate, regardless if they are known or unknown at the time. That goes for the govt, too.
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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You can't micro and macro manage everything dude.

In reality they just have to take out the hidden rider.

To take out hidden riders would require them to micro manage their own bills. And I ask why is that too much to ask for with our elected officials?
 
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