China and its economy

[Imdmn04]

I might sound like a commie, but I dont think democracy will work in china, not with 1.2billion people.
The current system (totalitarian+capitalism) with a litte tweaking (more liberal, but not necessary a democracy) will turn China into a true superpower in the very near future.

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: KokomoGST

Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
Their current rate of growth keeps up, (~7%) they will will have the world's largest GDP in just over a decade. And keeping up this growth for 10 years and beyond is quite doable, since other asian economic "tigers" (japan, korea, taiwan) managed to keep up this rate of growth for decades.

China definately has the potential to displace the US as the world's biggest superpower both economically and militarily. Its up to the chinese government and people to realize that potential.

Well, the majority of economic growth in China isn't homegrown... it's from investment by the other east & southeast asian "dragons", the US, etc. There's money to be made there. I do see the potential for stagnation as China doesn't seem to have the capability of developing it's own domestic industry. It's more like everyone's "bitch"... hmm... I guess "whore" would be a better word.

Plus, they're insanely gross polluters that prolly at some point the international community might want to curtail. That is if they truly value the global environment... I see more giant stinking clouds coming out of China again. I don't doubt that they'll be the biggest... just by virtue of population and sheer crappiness of their current economy, it's gotta go up.

they're actually referred to as 'tigers,' not dragons.

 

[Wheatmaster]

i think if china wants to become a real superpower, it should revert its way back to the dynasties and emperors

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: Imdmn04
I might sound like a commie, but I dont think democracy will work in china, not with 1.2billion people.
The current system (totalitarian+capitalism) with a litte tweaking (more liberal, but not necessary a democracy) will turn China into a true superpower in the very near future.

its working fairly well in India. and INdia is just 50 years old. of course, it isn't effiicent as communism, but its workable. heck a system of govt. that is even running in that diverse of a country will work anywhere.

 

[lowtech1]

Originally posted by: StormRider
I'm Chinese American. I was born here and here is my perspective.

China will become an economic powerhouse in the future and be a close ally of the United States -- we will be friends because the Chinese are basically capitolists at heart (my mom loves to gamble). Because of this and Chow Young Fat and Yao Ming, Chinese men will become more desirable to women. Women around the world will constantly hit on us and make passes at us.

That's all I have to say on the subject.

I'm not Chinese, but I don't think that short Chinese men will become such a sex magnet that woman around the world will fall head over heel for short stuff. As a 5?11? Asian male I have my fair share of women, and sorry to bust your bubble from what I have heard that women tend to prefer men between 6? to 6?4?.

 

[Imdmn04]

Well, the majority of economic growth in China isn't homegrown... it's from investment by the other east & southeast asian "dragons", the US, etc. There's money to be made there. I do see the potential for stagnation as China doesn't seem to have the capability of developing it's own domestic industry. It's more like everyone's "bitch"... hmm... I guess "whore" would be a better word.

It is the other way around, everybody is china's "bitch", since china just borrow others money for the use to develop their own country, once enough things are developed, then you will get to see its own domestic industry. Right now it is still in the "leeching off" stage.

 

[lowtech1]

Originally posted by: Zap0602
i was wondering what you guys think about China and its economy and what will happen in the future? i'm chinese and curious

They call China a sleeping Dragon and Vietname a sleeping Tiger for a reason.

 

[SherEPunjab]

Chinese men will become more desirable?


uhh...

no comment.

 

[lowtech1]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: kherman

Originally posted by: StormRider
I'm Chinese American. I was born here and here is my perspective.

China will become an economic powerhouse in the future and be a close ally of the United States -- we will be friends because the Chinese are basically capitolists at heart (my mom loves to gamble). Because of this and Chow Young Fat and Yao Ming, Chinese men will become more desirable to women. Women around the world will constantly hit on us and make passes at us.

That's all I have to say on the subject.

AHahaha, you think you know what women think? HAHAHAHA.

Women tend to not care aboutmoney much.

9's and 10's go for 3 things... money, power, fame. in general. of course, a 3 doesn't care about money much... she couldn't attract it anyways.

What is a 9 or a 10?
If pretentious object is what you are searching for then that what you will get. But, the common believe that similar trait & physic attract similarity.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: lowtech

Originally posted by: StormRider
I'm Chinese American. I was born here and here is my perspective.

China will become an economic powerhouse in the future and be a close ally of the United States -- we will be friends because the Chinese are basically capitolists at heart (my mom loves to gamble). Because of this and Chow Young Fat and Yao Ming, Chinese men will become more desirable to women. Women around the world will constantly hit on us and make passes at us.

That's all I have to say on the subject.

I'm not Chinese, but I don't think that short Chinese men will become such a sex magnet that woman around the world will fall head over heel for short stuff. As a 5?11? Asian male I have my fair share of women, and sorry to bust your bubble from what I have heard that women tend to prefer men between 6? to 6?4?.

Glad to hear that

<-- a bit over 6'4"


Also, see my thread about chinese world domination.

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak

Originally posted by: lowtech

Originally posted by: StormRider
I'm Chinese American. I was born here and here is my perspective.

China will become an economic powerhouse in the future and be a close ally of the United States -- we will be friends because the Chinese are basically capitolists at heart (my mom loves to gamble). Because of this and Chow Young Fat and Yao Ming, Chinese men will become more desirable to women. Women around the world will constantly hit on us and make passes at us.

That's all I have to say on the subject.

I'm not Chinese, but I don't think that short Chinese men will become such a sex magnet that woman around the world will fall head over heel for short stuff. As a 5?11? Asian male I have my fair share of women, and sorry to bust your bubble from what I have heard that women tend to prefer men between 6? to 6?4?.

Glad to hear that

<-- a bit over 6'4"


Also, see my thread about chinese world domination.

I honestly don't think women care as much about height as features. Any real women wish to confirm this?

I'm not saying a 5 foot 6inch guy will pass (although i think tom cruise is about this tall), but i think as long as he is 5 feet 9 and the girl is still shorter than that, girls don't mind. Of course, if the girl is 5 10, and the guy is 5 9 or 5 10 there can also be some difficult. But, overall i think women like: eyes, facial structure, i.e. rugged jawlines, hair, body, complexion (not too pale not too dark), and the guys presence. some guys are good looking by the gift of god but they sulk, don't hold themselves up nicely, and dont' create a good presence. others may have been ugly by birth, but dress well, speak well, and look sharp. i may be blabbing tho.. ladies??

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: spankyOO7
i'm chinese too. i think chinese ppl will take over the world. we will follow in the footsteps of our korean buddies and start with monopolizing the laundromat business.

Hehe, I think Indians have too strong a foothold in the 24hr convenience store sector, for Chinese dominated Laundromats to become a Global Dominating Power!!

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Zap0602
i was wondering what you guys think about China and its economy and what will happen in the future? i'm chinese and curious

With goverment reform they truely could be an economic powerhouse, but until that happens dont expect much.

There have been quite a few articles claiming that China has been cooking their books to show growth when actually their economy is stagnant.

And that's why were currently NOT being flooded with goods from the PRC.

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
Their current rate of growth keeps up, (~7%) they will will have the world's largest GDP in just over a decade. And keeping up this growth for 10 years and beyond is quite doable, since other asian economic "tigers" (japan, korea, taiwan) managed to keep up this rate of growth for decades.

China definately has the potential to displace the US as the world's biggest superpower both economically and militarily. Its up to the chinese government and people to realize that potential.

Some believe the two will eventually come to a head one day, and it won't be pretty.

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: Imdmn04
I might sound like a commie, but I dont think democracy will work in china, not with 1.2billion people.
The current system (totalitarian+capitalism) with a litte tweaking (more liberal, but not necessary a democracy) will turn China into a true superpower in the very near future.

By the same measure, it can't run if centrally controlled either. How do you control over a billion people, and direct their actions. No way. Anarchy rules!!

 

[Novgrod]

A number of countries have experienced revolutions at one point or another, and all petered out because they were experiencing one-time economic gain from exploitation of untapped resources.

i think of china now as russia was circa 1918--after a couple fantastically successful five year plans, Stalin wrote _dizzy with success_, which explained that the USSR was going to overtake the rest of the world because of its rapid economic growth. This growth was mobilizing untapped resources and getting more people to work, largely because of central planning. China is still progressing because of the cultural revolution (not so much its evil, evil, evil side effects) and this probably will not last:

first, they're also mobilizing their population almost like britain was circa 1800s industrial revolution. pretty soon there will come a time when the population doesn't have the money to buy the goods that are being produced, and nobody's gonna pay their workers enough to buy the stuff that's being produced, and the overseas markets will become more-or-less saturated as well. If the workers expect to be paid more, they'll have to unionize, and let's take the very unlikely possibility that the gub-ment allows this, they'll start cutting into the growth with this (though in theory they could make it much more sustainable).

second, the chinese economy and the government are so interrelated that it's quite a bit problematic because there are any numbers of problems with corruption, which can really screw foreign investment. the government doesn't know what it's doing, other than being vaguely hostile to just about everybody and encouraging foreign money and free trade (for everybody but themselves). If the government remains hostile, it's only a matter of time (china's GDP has to double) before the US sees them as a rival and all of the sudden their economic well-being tanks.

I personally think that individual freedoms are absolutely necessary for continued economic growth, and that as long as china is an oppressive totalitarian regime that threatens to invade taiwan and ranks in the five worst countries re: freedom of the press, their growth will be hollow. If you want to read something interesting about this, look at PJ O'rourke's book _eat the rich_, which has a chapter on shanghai and he surmises that the chinese are "growing" because they're building crap, but they're building crap nobody really uses, and there's still an immense immense group of people who're sucking it up.

anyway this is just the ramblings of an idiot; i'm interested to hear if anybody thinks it has any merit.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: Imdmn04
I might sound like a commie, but I dont think democracy will work in china, not with 1.2billion people.
The current system (totalitarian+capitalism) with a litte tweaking (more liberal, but not necessary a democracy) will turn China into a true superpower in the very near future.

By the same measure, it can't run if centrally controlled either. How do you control over a billion people, and direct their actions. No way. Anarchy rules!!

Ask the Chinese government, they seem to know how. I think Democracy is certainly possible(perhaps inevitable), I just think that China isn't going to rush in like fools, like Russia did.

 

[bolido2000]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: spankyOO7
i'm chinese too. i think chinese ppl will take over the world. we will follow in the footsteps of our korean buddies and start with monopolizing the laundromat business.

Hehe, I think Indians have too strong a foothold in the 24hr convenience store sector, for Chinese dominated Laundromats to become a Global Dominating Power!!

We gotta take over that Kiwi mart!

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: Imdmn04
I might sound like a commie, but I dont think democracy will work in china, not with 1.2billion people.
The current system (totalitarian+capitalism) with a litte tweaking (more liberal, but not necessary a democracy) will turn China into a true superpower in the very near future.

By the same measure, it can't run if centrally controlled either. How do you control over a billion people, and direct their actions. No way. Anarchy rules!!

Ask the Chinese government, they seem to know how. I think Democracy is certainly possible(perhaps inevitable), I just think that China isn't going to rush in like fools, like Russia did.

Only reason it works is that they turn a blind eye (in a manner similar to that of the British administration of HK) or outright corruption. All in all, I don't think they have a handle on it (which is a good thing).

 

[StormRider]

Trust me on the asian men becoming more desirable. Because of my virginity, I have gain immense phychic abilities. When the Iranian hostage taking occured during (I think) my high school years, I distinctly remember thinking that in the future our gravest enemies will be the Islamic fanatics and not the communists. I was right back then and I'm correct right now!

It's already happening. Who was the Superman all the women were drooling over in "Lois and Clark"? It was the half/quarter(?) Japanese Actor named Dean Cain!

Look at all the white hairy men shaving their chest and backs to have a more hairless asian look. Chuck Norris was super hairy when he fought Bruce Lee in that movie whose title I forget. On his last TV show, he had a hairless chest and back.

Look at Clint Eastwood squinting his eyes all the time. Why? To look more Chinese, that's why!

Look at all the action movies coming out. How do the action men fight now? Do they fight like Stallone or Arnold now? No! They all fight like Jet Let now! Look at the Transporter and Matrix as examples.

I rest my case.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: StormRider
Trust me on the asian men becoming more desirable. Because of my virginity, I have gain immense phychic abilities. When the Iranian hostage taking occured during (I think) my high school years, I distinctly remember thinking that in the future our gravest enemies will be the Islamic fanatics and not the communists. I was right back then and I'm correct right now!

It's already happening. Who was the Superman all the women were drooling over in "Lois and Clark"? It was the half/quarter(?) Japanese Actor named Dean Cain!

Look at all the white hairy men shaving their chest and backs to have a more hairless asian look. Chuck Norris was super hairy when he fought Bruce Lee in that movie whose title I forget. On his last TV show, he had a hairless chest and back.

Look at Clint Eastwood squinting his eyes all the time. Why? To look more Chinese, that's why!

Look at all the action movies coming out. How do the action men fight now? Do they fight like Stallone or Arnold now? No! They all fight like Jet Let now! Look at the Transporter and Matrix as examples.

I rest my case.

You misunderstand, they shave to be more feminine! :Q

 

[tsunek]

aren't they number one now for foreign direct investment]
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[Jfur]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Jfur
By 2017 China will be THE biggest economy in the world

That is a maybe.

nothing has a probability of 1, but this one's high -- if not before 2017 then not long after

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Jfur

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Jfur
By 2017 China will be THE biggest economy in the world

That is a maybe.

nothing has a probability of 1, but this one's high -- if not before 2017 then not long after

The chances exists, but it is far from certain. Ino rder for them to be a large economy, about a billion people need to get a job. And as long as they are making cheap goods at slave wages, the general populous will not much buying power.