China city holds dog-meat eating festival despite protests

[Capt Caveman]

I have 2 dogs and love them dearly, but bashing someone else's culture because of how we were raised is only something that comes out the mouth of stupid Americans. They presume the world revolves around them and that anything they deem immoral Is the ideal way that everyone else should reflect. It's pathetic.

Only thing stupid are those that too ignorant to learn how these dogs are stolen then tortured to death. It's pathetic not to do/say something when you see a senseless atrocity. Based on your statement, then you have no problem how other cultures treat women, murder gays, enslave children, etc...

 

[buckshot24]

Only thing stupid are those that too ignorant to learn how these dogs are stolen then tortured to death. It's pathetic not to do/say something when you see a senseless atrocity. Based on your statement, then you have no problem how other cultures treat women, murder gays, enslave children, etc...

You're saying it is objectively wrong to torture dogs or any other animal, how did you determine that?

 

[MongGrel]

redacted, should be in another thread.

 

[Capt Caveman]

You're saying it is objectively wrong to torture dogs or any other animal, how did you determine that?

/facepalm

 

[Genx87]

You're saying it is objectively wrong to torture dogs or any other animal, how did you determine that?

Are you a sociopath?

 

[Sulaco]

You're saying it is objectively wrong to torture dogs or any other animal, how did you determine that?

Maybe by not being a complete fuckwad?

 

[Capt Caveman]

ABC Nightline just had a story about it. They filmed dogs ready for slaughter still wearing dog collars. They say that people get paid up to $50 for a dog so many are stolen from their owners.

I'm sure the P&N trolls are fine with that.

 

[JSt0rm]

You're saying it is objectively wrong to torture dogs or any other animal, how did you determine that?

Who is to judge what is right and what is wrong? Great and powerful foes surround us; unknown miscreants gnaw at us from within. We are threatened with total annihilation. In days such as these we can afford no luxury of morality.

 

[Sulaco]

ABC Nightline just had a story about it. They filmed dogs ready for slaughter still wearing dog collars. They say that people get paid up to $50 for a dog so many are stolen from their owners.

I'm sure the P&N trolls are fine with that.

Yeah, but who are YOU to say that deliberately torturing Fluffy and skinning him alive is cruel and wrong?

After all, doesn't the US euthanize dogs humanely in overcrowded shelters by putting them to sleep. Is that really any different than stealing pets, depriving them of food, and lighting them on fire? I mean, c'mon. Lets' be honest. As an attention-seeking internet contrarian and maladjusted loser, I fail to see why everyone else can't see this!

 

[JSt0rm]

Yeah, but who are YOU to say that deliberately torturing Fluffy and skinning him alive is cruel and wrong?

After all, doesn't the US euthanize dogs humanely in overcrowded shelters by putting them to sleep. Is that really any different than stealing pets, depriving them of food, and lighting them on fire? I mean, c'mon. Lets' be honest. As an attention-seeking internet contrarian and maladjusted loser, I fail to see why everyone else can't see this!

There is no such thing as a plea of innocence in my court. A plea of innocence is guilty of wasting my time. Guilty.

 

[zentan]

Torturing is wrong and people playing cultural politics in this are being short-sighted.
If people have spare time then do watch "Earthlings" at earthlings.com. Some might have already seen it. It's not like cows and other animals are not tortured or this thing limited to some sort of "culture" or particular regions. Though I don't agree with everything that's said in there.

 

[JSt0rm]

You'd probably really hate pictures of some of the stuff I'd eaten then, from whale to puffin and whatever the hell they could catch and cook in some of the places I was dispatched courtesy of Uncle Sam.

Dude. You should not eat whale. I mean aside from any animal reasons they are full of metals.

 

[compuwiz1]

The Bible says man has dominion over animals. The Bible says a lot of stuff.

 

[agent00f]

Is it really economical to pick a dog up off the street, crate it and then ship it 1,200 miles to be slaughtered for food? Getting dogs to make more dogs is pretty damn easy, although I guess you do have to feed them.

I love dogs so I really don't want to read anymore than I have to but are they being slaughtered like other livestock or is the issue just that they eat dogs that we see as pets? If it's the latter, and again I personally think it's disgusting, who am I to judge another's culture? Some cultures worship cows yet I still eat the fuck out of a steak, burger, ribs, meatballs, beefy mac & cheese, hell darn near anything made with beef. I guess they could protest me if they wanted to but absolutely zero fucks would be given by me.

I've seen the places by the side of the road where raising/slaughter happen.

As to the accusation it's stolen pets, that's unlikely as the restaurants specify the type/breed which aren't usual pets, and pet-aged animals would be tough/gamey. The chinese are often particular about food, and their pet breeds are usually lap sized so it doesn't make any sense.

The bit about torture similarly sounds like fabricated urban legend to shock westerners.

 

[1prophet]

I guess all the companies going global in China should immediately shut down and pull everything back home in outrage.

Yeah, right.

Maybe if China was to deny transgenders use of their restroom of choice they might pull out like here in the USA.:hmm:

 

[VtPC83]

I've seen the places by the side of the road where raising/slaughter happen.

As to the accusation it's stolen pets, that's unlikely as the restaurants specify the type/breed which aren't usual pets, and pet-aged animals would be tough/gamey. The chinese are often particular about food, and their pet breeds are usually lap sized so it doesn't make any sense.

The bit about torture similarly sounds like fabricated urban legend to shock westerners.

Everything that is reported on this event, by every major news outlet (domestic and foreign) says otherwise.

A large portion of these animals are stolen pets and they torture them for taste.

Some of you people are ridiculous. I think most of us are not saying they shouldn't be able to eat dogs, that is their culture. We are saying they should not be stealing PETS and should definitely not be torturing the animals to death.

Comparing torturing animals to death and euthanasia is also totally mystifying to me. It is incredibly unfortunate that we have to euthanize so many but leaving them out on the street to starve or hurt people is a worse punishment.

And responding to Ns1, don't even get started on how Indians treat dogs in their home country. Appalled and indifferent are two very different reactions.

 

[agent00f]

Everything that is reported on this event, by every major news outlet (domestic and foreign) says otherwise.

A large portion of these animals are stolen pets and they torture them for taste.

You can choose to believe reports which aren't even from the country they're reporting on, citing themselves and sources with clear agenda, or think with some sense.

From the animal right group: "In Jiaxiang County, Shandong, considered one of the country’s most active dog-raising areas, investigators found scant evidence of industrial-scale dog breeding for consumption."

I saw at least a handful of places driving out of Beijing some years back, and dog is only served at a few restaurants, so this is a lie AFAIK.

 

[VtPC83]

You can choose to believe reports which aren't even from the country they're reporting on, citing themselves and sources with clear agenda, or think with some sense.

From the animal right group: "In Jiaxiang County, Shandong, considered one of the country’s most active dog-raising areas, investigators found scant evidence of industrial-scale dog breeding for consumption."

I saw at least a handful of places driving out of Beijing some years back, and dog is only served at a few restaurants, so this is a lie AFAIK.

I see your quote from the animal rights group and it makes sense for a place that doesn't serve dog on a regular basis. However, this quote doesn't back up your reasoning because the OP is about a single event. Since the quote states they don't have an industry of raising dogs for meat where do you think they get most of the dogs for this apparently rather large festival?

It sounds like you're talking about day to day food operations whereas this entire discussion has been about the festival.

Do you have any first-person insight into the festival itself? Have you ever been there during it?

 

[agent00f]

This discussion has been about the general practice itself, as is the quote. "Investigators found scant evidence of industrial-scale dog breeding for consumption" when the breeding places I saw were readily visible permanent buildings with a big dog painted on them right by the fucking road.

I really have no idea if more pets are consumed during the festival, but presumably the industry plan for such an event. Nobody accuses americans of stealing turkeys specifically for thanksgiving.

I tried it in a restaurant and it's nothing to write home about, literally tasted like tough boney chicken.

 

[buckshot24]

/facepalm

So just because?

Are you a sociopath?

No

Maybe by not being a complete fuckwad?

Is that an objective determination?

 

[Subyman]

So just because?

No
Is that an objective determination?

Your trolling sees no bounds.

 

[buckshot24]

Your trolling sees no bounds.

I read that as "no hounds" at first. I'm just challenging assumptions.

 

[WelshBloke]

I'm just challenging assumptions.

You're reinforcing one.

 

[Xellos2099]

Its not the point of eating a dog, well at least it shouldn't be (pig counter-argument). It should be about how they kill/butcher them. They literally say they torture the dogs to death because it makes them taste better... what kind of messed up BS is that?

'...the belief that dying by torture makes their meat taste better.' Just let that sink in.

That is the real issue here, the treatment and outright torture of the animals.

Did someone got this idea from reading Toriko?

 

[StinkyPinky]

No problem with eating Dog, but animals need to be treated with respect before eating them. Setting them on fire while alive to increase taste is barbaric.