China establishes 'air-defence zone' over East China Sea

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Svnla

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I saw Formosa, aka Taiwan but no Diaoyu anywhere as you claimed previously. Taiwan =! Diaoyu, no matter how many time you and other clueless/ignorant chinese said so. :whiste:

And still nothing to back up your statement that the Potsdam Agreement gave Diaoyu back to china from Japan in 1945? What is the matter?

Let me remind the readers of what you said previously and I quote:

If the Chinese never owned the islands, how did they turn them over to the Japanese in the Shimonseki Treaty? How did they gain them back in the Potsdam Declaration?

Keep digging deeper and make stuffs up out of thin air, comrade.
 
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Svnla

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*shrug* Can't fix stupid.

I was not the one that pulled craps out of his butt as you did (see your quote above). Still can't debate with facts and links, eh? Just like a mainland chinese. :biggrin:

Here is another link to shot down your ridiculous statement that Japan gave the islands back to china:

The US doesn't take a position on who has sovereignty over the islands but recognizes they are under Japanese administration.

Along with a rise in its economic and military power in recent years, China has become more assertive over its maritime claims.
China claims over the islands extend back hundreds of years.

But Japan says it saw no trace of Chinese control of the islands in an 1885 survey and as a result
formally recognised them as Japanese sovereign territory in 1895.

Japan then sold the islands in 1932 to descendants of the original settlers.

After the Japanese surrender at the end of Second World War in 1945 islands fell under the control of the allied forces and were administered by the U.S. occupation force.

But in 1972, Washington returned them to Japan as part of its withdrawal from Okinawa.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-territorial-dispute-Japan.html#ixzz2lmhkhFEy

Time for you to provide quote(s) from the Potsdam Declaration that stated Japan must gave back the Diaoyu Islands to china in 1945. I am still waiting.
Here is the text = http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/decade17.asp

I looked and looked but nothing about Diaoyu or Japan must gave anything to china. Nada, zip, nothing. You were saying something about stupid? LOL.
 
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raildogg

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China controls Tibet, Xinjiang and Manchuria through brute force and terror. These regions could be independent countries. That would leave China a much smaller country.

http://wikibin.org/articles/manchurian-independence-movement.html (NSFW ads?)

The Chinese have expanded their power and territory over the years through pure force and planning. Maybe things will balance out in the future. Who knows.
 
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US B-52 bombers challenge disputed China air zone
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25110011

lol, China you're up. Let's see how far they want to escalate it or it gonna be all talk

NBC Nightly News just said earlier tonight that US B-52s did make the trip deep into the area without any trouble from china. Look like commie china is all hot air and nothing else. Typical of pathetic bully, so eager to push around smaller neighbors but would not dare to take on anyone with the same size or bigger (military power) such as Russia or US.
 

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NBC Nightly News just said earlier tonight that US B-52s did make the trip deep into the area without any trouble from china. Look like commie china is all hot air and nothing else. Typical of pathetic bully, so eager to push around smaller neighbors but would not dare to take on anyone with the same size or bigger (military power) such as Russia or US.
All Japanese airlines have said that they will NOT comply with China's rules.
 

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Seems like a pointless announcement to me. China can declare an air defense zone all it wants but neither Korea nor Japan are going to acknowledge it.
 

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NBC Nightly News just said earlier tonight that US B-52s did make the trip deep into the area without any trouble from china. Look like commie china is all hot air and nothing else. Typical of pathetic bully, so eager to push around smaller neighbors but would not dare to take on anyone with the same size or bigger (military power) such as Russia or US.

B-52s are literally flying barns when it comes to radar signatures. I know these things are always planned months in advance, but talk about the perfect FU aircraft.
 

Dari

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Seems like a pointless announcement to me. China can declare an air defense zone all it wants but neither Korea nor Japan are going to acknowledge it.

Not so sure about Korea. They've been quiet about this ADIZ. Add to that the fact that China sees S. Korea as an "old friend" and the fact that Korea has a history of being a vassal state, I doubt they would stand up to China the way Japan, Russia, Vietnam, or even the Philippines have...
 

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i thought this CNN op-ed was a pretty decent analysis:

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/26/china-may-have-shot-itself-in-the-foot/?hpt=wo_c2

basically, china screwed itself. Japanese airlines aren't following the ADIZ, and you can't exactly shoot down civilian-containing aircraft.

US aircraft just trolololol'd the ADIZ, and while SK has been kind of friendly with China, they have more reason than before to side with Japan.

China has always been extremely dominant over Korea. Now that China is growing again and has a powerful economy, I think Korea will, once again, fall under its dominion. It just makes sense for the Koreans. Even their new president speaks fluent Mandarin. In the grand scheme of things, the US is just a temporary visitor and Korea will return to her vassal status in no time...
 

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i thought this CNN op-ed was a pretty decent analysis:

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/26/china-may-have-shot-itself-in-the-foot/?hpt=wo_c2

basically, china screwed itself. Japanese airlines aren't following the ADIZ, and you can't exactly shoot down civilian-containing aircraft.

US aircraft just trolololol'd the ADIZ, and while SK has been kind of friendly with China, they have more reason than before to side with Japan.


There's pretty much zero chance of Korea and Japan coming to any kind of serious collaboration. Both countries have solid relationships with the US and don't really need the other for their security interests. Of course, it would be great for us if the countries formed a unified front but domestic concerns for both President Park and PM Abe will make it impossible.
 

Dari

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There's pretty much zero chance of Korea and Japan coming to any kind of serious collaboration. Both countries have solid relationships with the US and don't really need the other for their security interests. Of course, it would be great for us if the countries formed a unified front but domestic concerns for both President Park and PM Abe will make it impossible.

I think Korea's issues with Japan are too singular. One dimensional, even. Japan has been willing to talk and discuss issues but there are some things Korea just cannot let go...
 

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I think Korea's issues with Japan are too singular. One dimensional, even. Japan has been willing to talk and discuss issues but there are some things Korea just cannot let go...

Like their women being raped, yeah that's easy to let go.
 

Dari

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Like their women being raped, yeah that's easy to let go.

If it happened as they say it happened to other countries in the region. But those other countries have gotten over it. In fact, some of those countries are counted as among Japan's strongest allies...
 

JTsyo

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The ultimate taunt was the B-52s were unarmed.

Don't think that was taunt just trying to limit chances of things getting hot. Though since a B-52 carries its bombs in the bay not sure you can even tell from radar if it's armed or not.
 
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Like their women being raped, yeah that's easy to let go.

Rape and murders happens in all countries of the would. Even by the same citizens of that country. It's not necessary that you blame it only on the aggressor country. It's a human undoing. You cannot blame the whole country for that.

If past action or world histories would become the yard stick for the present and future generations hatred. Then no country in the world can remain friendly.
The world would only remain enemy for one another.

You need to learn to forgive and let go in favor of your own interests.

If India would make UK it's enemy because it was it's colony for almost 200yrs. Then India won't be able to advance its future interest of its present generation.

We don't need to make the actions of our great grandfathers and there relatives the reason for our own misery or hatred.
The faster you would understand this. The faster you would be able to advance your own interests.
 

Dari

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Rape and murders happens in all countries of the would. Even by the same citizens of that country. It's not necessary that you blame it only on the aggressor country. It's a human undoing. You cannot blame the whole country for that.

If past action or world histories would become the yard stick for the present and future generations hatred. Then no country in the world can remain friendly.
The world would only remain enemy for one another.

You need to learn to forgive and let go in favor of your own interests.

If India would make UK it's enemy because it was it's colony for almost 200yrs. Then India won't be able to advance its future interest of its present generation.

We don't need to make the actions of our great grandfathers and there relatives the reason for our own misery or hatred.
The faster you would understand this. The faster you would be able to advance your own interests.

Exactly. Like i said earlier, Korea is returning to being a vassal nation. Korea takes her cue from China and China has also refused to hold a summit with Japan.
 
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