China is now second-largest economy in the world!

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DesiPower

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I was listening to this news on NPR on my way to work this morning, couldn't find it on their site so linking a Fox news article. First question in my mind? how long b4 is surpasses US. Well... they said its gonna be another decade. BUT they mentioned that China's and US economy are not that distinct anymore, its like a Huge combines SOB. More than 50% if China's exports are to US and they hold a huge percentage of or debts. And now it seems that are creating jobs in US to!

But to the main topic, they just surpasses Japan! and are now number two, just behind US of A
 
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StageLeft

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More than a decade, definitely. If they do. They are growing fast but they are still a good distance behind. So while they are "just behind" they are actually a damn long ways behind. My guess is they'll have to move away from such a heavy focus on manufacturing over time.
 

Ionizer86

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Apparently, according to these sources, China's Q2 GDP is 1.337 trillion USD. Lulz.
 

Schadenfroh

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Congrats on surpassing Japan, a country that has been ravaged by stagflation for over a decade, has few natural resources and has a small population (in comparison).

BTW, America still has a higher GDP than Japan and China combined.
 

Binarycow

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according to an article I saw, at this rate, they will surpass us and become the world's #1 economy by 2030.

20 more years people!

My kid starts pre-school this year. I'll make sure he takes a Mandarin class yearly to get ready to welcome our new overlords.

 

nyker96

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I think it's between 20-25 years at current pace. Although China has been talking about slowing down this hectic pace to stop inflation I believe. So it might be more or less than this estimate. It probably also depends on if US has more catastrophic economic problems in the future or not.

Anyways 'news' was expected, just a matter of time, but I think the prediction was in 2012 I think to surpass Japan, didn't think would be like today!
 

yllus

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Conrad Black wrote a three page editorial on the rise of China and if the West has anything to fear from it. In short, no, but the article is an interesting read anyways. I've extracted the portions that highlight China's strengths and weaknesses below.

Key notes:

- About half of China's population (1.6 billion) live in exactly the same conditions as they did during the pre-industrial era
- The number of children going on to high school in China has actually declined
- China is going to be buying up a lot of tangible U.S. assets pretty soon; can/will the U.S. stop it?
- China has more problems than the United States, and is not as rich or well-organized a country

An economic colossus, born in blood

Since 1978, [China's] annual economic growth rate has been a formidable 8% to 9%; and since 1990, per capita annual income has risen from $350 to $3,000. There are the predictable claims of imminent Chinese world economic supremacy, but we have heard all that before from the Nazis, Soviets, and Japanese, and they should be received with caution.

There are still at least 800 million Chinese peasants who live much as they did thousands of years ago. There is a population control plan that will raise the average age by one year every two years for at least two decades, and reduce the worker-to-retiree ratio from 3-to-1 to 2-to-1 in the next 20 years. There are acute shortages of land and water, and most social services.

Government spending on health and education has declined from 25% to 35% in 20 years. The private sector has taken up a lot of this, but about half the population receives no medical care at all. The percentage of middle school students going on to high school has actually declined by a third in the last 20 years.

The state still owns the country's banks, natural resources, heavy industry and telecommunications, and controls about 35% of all production. Ecological damage is very serious and costly, affecting three quarters of the country's water courses and most of its air. Distinguished China specialist James Fallows reckons that China suffers 250 deaths in mining accidents every day.

Corruption and arbitrariness in government are pandemic. The state has liberalized, but within limits that were dramatically underlined by the needless massacre in Tianenmen Square 20 years ago (the crowd could have been dispersed bloodlessly with fire hoses and rubber bullets, as they would have been in Western capitals).

The sense of the inexorable rise of China has been heightened by the inexplicable blunders of the United States in the last 15 years, of borrowing trillions of dollars from China and Japan to buy trillions of dollars of non-essential goods from China and Japan, and admitting millions of low-paid undocumented immigrants, while outsourcing millions of low-paid jobs (largely to China), and forcing the private sector to waste trillions more on unsound residential mortgages.

It is not clear that China can persuade its domestic economy to absorb much of the exports that have been lost to the recession and a belated reawakening of thrift in the U. S. But it has played its financial cards cleverly. China is shortening the maturities on its U. S. treasuries; 25% are now short-term. China will not sit with mountains of 3%-yield U. S. bonds, and appears to be preparing to buy large quantities of tangible U. S. assets, probably in the technology sector.

The Chinese cannot be counted upon to overpay wildly as the Arabs and the Japanese did when they squandered the bonanzas that burned holes in their pockets 20 and 30 years ago.

This will soon become a political issue in the United States.

China has more problems than the United States, and is not as rich or well-organized a country. Beijing is not about to overtake Washington, but its growth has been astounding and will continue. The first 30 years of the Chinese Revolution were a sanguinary version of The Gong Show. The last 30 have changed the world, for the better.
 

zephyrprime

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Exporting to a bigger, more developed economy is the fastest way known to man to move up the economic development ladder. However, the problem for China is that the US is a smaller nation that China. The primary reason exporting to a more developed country works is due to the fact that the more developed nation is richer. However, although the US is richer, it is actually much smaller in terms of population than China. Hence, there comes a point where the developing country saturates the export market of the developed country. Countries like Korea don't have to worry about this because they are so small that they couldn't saturate the US's market.

For the same reason, the US is not able to export it's way to riches by focusing on exports to a rich country like Monoco (which is a small nation made rich presence of many wealthy tax dodges from Europe). Monoco may have high per capita imports from the US but their population is too small for that market to lift the whole economy of the US up.

China is nearing 1/2 of the gdp of the US. It's hard to see that there is much more room for export growth to the US. Already, trade imbalances between it and the US are causing economy problems on a global scale. You may have heard that China has revealed that they have SOLD a small portion of their US debt holdings and bought Euro debt. US imports from China are indirectly financed by Chinese purchases of US debt. China selling US debt is a strong indication that exports to the US have plateaued. China is now seeking to make some gains in the European market and they will probably be successful at that. However, exports are a depleted resource for China going forward. They will have to develop their own internal markets which is a much slower process.
 
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