Opinions vary. If you think that statement is the most lame or most superficial, you've not been on these forums more than 5 minutes.
Or the most lame and superficial.
He'd be wasting his time.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/3-charts-show-chinas-scientific-192255174.html
Manufacturing pulled out from under the middle class and the tech/science jobs are next. The smug people around here who are so very happy to see the manufacturing in other countries (so they can buy their cheap stuff) may very well be feeding the country that's going to turn around and eat them.
That giant sucking sound might be gaining more force....more than any of you imagined. Did you honestly think that China was going to stop at the 'lowly menial manufacturing job'?
The stupidity of comparing the Chinese and American economies like you just tried here is only superseded by the stupidity of trying to paint Obama as some kind of rabid communist/socialist.
Is the above post really what you consider a serious, well thought out proposition?
Those tired songs are just that, tired. You don't like the guy and his policies, fine. But please, base your complaints in reality.
Fucking American partisanship. Your country is, in many ways, tearing itself apart and all half the population can do is call each other stupid names while the other half doesn't seem to give a damn about anything at all.
I can't stand the guy myself as I've explained to you in the past. I think his continuation and expansion of the surveillance society tactics of his predecessor is verging on criminal as is his use of extrajudicial killing of both American citizens and non citizens.
Throw in the fact that he's not much more than a Wall Street sock puppet who's main concern seems to be his historical legacy as the "1st Black President" and I'd say there's plenty of *real* issues to bitch about without making up weird shit about what a commie the guy is.
Just reading that through your who post just seems a bit fragmented and going three directions at once IMHO.
Just thought I'd mention that.
Opinions vary. If you think that statement is the most lame or most superficial, you've not been on these forums more than 5 minutes.
Actually I have been around for more than 5 minutes. You would know that if you took the time to glimpse at my information. Honestly.... Some people....
America is gridlocked and we're not taking any necessary action to stop capitalism from pumping our wealth overseas. The guy's comments on partisanship are quite poignant to the topic at hand.
I said nothing partisan in my post. I was merely using the metrics he himself chose to point out that our economy isn't all that different than China. He then went on a (presumably) drunken rant about black presidents and communists.
Except that in America you can sue the government and have a reasonable chance of winning if your grievance is legitimate. Try that in China.I feel I have to point this out.
That is no different from the USA, or almost any 1st world country. All of these systems are modern day implementations of economic hierarchies that existed under feudalism.
You pay a tax to "own" property. If you fail to pay your tax, you will be removed from "your" property. You do not have the right to do what you wish on "your' property (even if you live in the boonies). For example, few "landowners" have mineral rights to their land.
And if the gov't decides they need to do something for the "greater good" using your property, you will find that your land is not yours no matter where you live.
See eminent domain.
The only thing that will save you is the same thing that would save you in China - public outrage. Most of the time that doesn't happen.
This is true. Kelo v. New London should have been sufficient to pull the wool away from everyone's eyes.I feel I have to point this out.
That is no different from the USA, or almost any 1st world country. All of these systems are modern day implementations of economic hierarchies that existed under feudalism.
You pay a tax to "own" property. If you fail to pay your tax, you will be removed from "your" property. You do not have the right to do what you wish on "your' property (even if you live in the boonies). For example, few "landowners" have mineral rights to their land.
And if the gov't decides they need to do something for the "greater good" using your property, you will find that your land is not yours no matter where you live.
See eminent domain.
The only thing that will save you is the same thing that would save you in China - public outrage. Most of the time that doesn't happen.
And that would be different from America how, exactly? Government at all levels has to be around that same proportion of GDP, and our collective governments are not nearly as efficient as is China's as we tend to be in-fighting and repeatedly changing direction. Meanwhile China's private sector is much less burdened with regulations than is America's private sector. Yes, China has some centralized planning; we do the same thing with regulations and laws. Much easier to guide people with centralized planning than with repeated electric shocks when they leave the secret path, but the latter doesn't give more freedom, just the illusion of more freedom.Last I checked roughly 40 of the economy is still outright owned or controlled by the Chinese govt./communist party and a good chunk of what remains was hived off to 'private' individuals and families who are friends and relatives of the party leaders. The Chinese govt. still puts out '5 year plans' for the economy. Apparently the country is in it's 12th 5 year plan.
While elements of capitalism have been mixed in, the overall economy is certainly not capitalist.
Eventually they do. At first it's only manufacturing that gets outsourced. Soon it's design engineering, because without hands-on feedback it's difficult to keep current on best design practices. The manufacturer points out all the problems and offers to do the design engineering per the parent corporation's marketing specifications at no extra cost. Then it's quality control as the execs figure out that as designs change, quality control in America is no longer capable of catching problems on designs they no longer really understand. Up to this point, the American corporation is living high on the hog and getting very top-heavy with executive and marketing functions and payroll. But eventually, the manufacturer has enough design experience and contacts to offer its own products to the American corporation's customers, usually with the best innovations and features they've held for themselves and always at lower cost.Yeah, and shockingly enough, I bet exec jobs don't get outsourced.....
I'd argue that it's mainly a free enterprise, market economy. A pretty screwed up one in many respects but still. Certainly it's far less a 'mixed economy' than most countries in the world.
How can the United States be "mainly" a free enterprise economy when there are more employed in government than private employees?
How can the United States be "mainly" a free enterprise economy when there are more employed in government than private employees?
I'm okay with all this.
I think the USA has enough land to fall back on that in the end, we could just become an agrarian society.
The only thing to worry about then is being conquered. So we would need some sort of militia and an economy large enough to still be able to manufacture guns and bullets.
Who knows, it might be nice?
Fucking American partisanship. Your country is, in many ways, tearing itself apart and all half the population can do is call each other stupid names while the other half doesn't seem to give a damn about anything at all.
All the brains in the world mean nothing if your people lack the will to innovate. Just as how the Iraqi lack the will to fight for freedom. Let us know when the other worlds countries starts picking up on those qualities.
Say it. Don't spray it.
How exactly is your "change the U.S." crusade going? Are you hitting your metrics?
Or the most lame and superficial.