Bi-ION is also a solution that seems to hold some promise. http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20161010-driving-the-saltwater-sports-car
for longer trips wasn't swapping batteries over mentioned by tesla as a possibility? if they were all standard (and multiples of these batteries for greater "mileage" in some cars) then it's feasible to just get to a station and swap over no?
That'd be a lot of batteries they'll need to swap, at least I think the number could be uncomfortably large.
why a lot? if each was the size of a car battery and could (for the average car - whatever that is) do 100 miles then swapping out wouldn;t be that bad. especially if the things were standardised for all car makers. hell it could be automated. drive up, your car links with whatever machine swaps the things out and you just use the tablet in the car to say how many battery swaps you want.
That'd be a lot of batteries they'll need to swap, at least I think the number could be uncomfortably large.
Ergonomics are a problem right now as they require large tanks relative to the vehicle. I'm not sure why Honda and Toyota like to make their fuel cell cars so ugly that they stand out like a sore thumb but they could just make them look normal which would widen the appeal. I respect this technology and think that it would do very well in the full size truck/suv segment where there is adequate storage beneath the body and frame for the tanks.Until batteries can be charged in minutes I think the Fuel Cell vehicle is the better option. They can be filled in the same way as regular gas vehicles and can drive an equivalent distance. People can drive long distance without having to worry about long charge times. You won't need to add a charge station at your home. You need to fuel up, with the needed infrastructure just stop and fill up like you normally do. Also with some minor modification IC engines can be made to run on Hydrogen so vehicle manufacturers can more easily switch over. California is pushing Hydrogen/Fuels Cells Vehicles.
Ergonomics are a problem right now as they require large tanks relative to the vehicle. I'm not sure why Honda and Toyota like to make their fuel cell cars so ugly that they stand out like a sore thumb but they could just make them look normal which would widen the appeal. I respect this technology and think that it would do very well in the full size truck/suv segment where there is adequate storage beneath the body and frame for the tanks.
Until batteries can be charged in minutes I think the Fuel Cell vehicle is the better option. They can be filled in the same way as regular gas vehicles and can drive an equivalent distance. People can drive long distance without having to worry about long charge times. You won't need to add a charge station at your home. You need to fuel up, with the needed infrastructure just stop and fill up like you normally do. Also with some minor modification IC engines can be made to run on Hydrogen so vehicle manufacturers can more easily switch over. California is pushing Hydrogen/Fuels Cells Vehicles.
No I won't unless communists take over and force those who disagree with them. Kinda like obamacareYou will buy one long before that.
Fuel cell technology as a fuel source for standard consumer vehicles will hopefully die because it is a terrible idea, honestly, going forward. For large trucks there are separate arguments to be made regarding refueling speed and range, but....there are ~50 h2 fueling stations in california and ~500 million?? a billion??( its some huge number) electrical outlets in california? Even if you assume the many many billions of dollars is spent to make hydrogen fueling accessible, the overall efficiency of the process is far far worse than simply using electricity to charge a battery, and the fuel cell + battery costs for the fuel cell vehicle are currently actually worse than those for the battery vehicle, so it loses there also. Its certainly possible that the fuel cell costs can come down enough to make it better but the price per kWh for batteries has been falling pretty quickly, to the point where on a cost per mile a battery powered vehicle will soon compete with or beat ICE vehicles (depending on your details we might be there already but I'll leave that calculation to someone else....)
The benefit of fueling as opposed to charging at home is always something i've found kinda funny. Nobody I know complains about how shitty it is that they charge their laptops or cell phones at home and use them throughout the day (how often do you hear people say 'man I wish I went to the gas station to fuel my laptop and phone!), but for some reason it is often viewed as this sort of terrible thing that someone could charge a vehicle at home as well. Certainly there are issues for people who live in a place where home charging is difficult but that is dealt with far more easily than creating a nonexistant fueling architecture nationwide.
I don't buy into your argument about outlets. You're going to charge your vehicle on 120? See you in a day. Otherwise you'll need properly set up charging station. And then wait 4 to 12 hours for a charge to continue on to your destination. Look as I said until you get the charge time down to minutes or increase the range drastically electrics will not be reasonable for many people.
Btw we can have multiple fuel technologies running our vehicles, we already do.
I don't buy into your argument about outlets. You're going to charge your vehicle on 120? See you in a day. Otherwise you'll need properly set up charging station. And then wait 4 to 12 hours for a charge to continue on to your destination. Look as I said until you get the charge time down to minutes or increase the range drastically electrics will not be reasonable for many people.
Btw we can have multiple fuel technologies running our vehicles, we already do.
Current fast charging like Tesla's can get 80% in 30 min. Future standards will be even faster.
ts really quite simple:
Tesla makes a basic ~10 kW charger. It takes AC from the grid an converts it to DC at the right voltage and current that your battery can handle, adjusting the voltage and current based on the power available from the grid, your state of charge, battery temperature, and other factors. One can connect these chargers together to provide more power depending on how many you want to buy and how much power you want to pay the power company to provide you with.
Each Tesla comes with one charger in it to allow you to charge at up to ~10 kW DC. It can draw between 120 and 240 volts from the grid at from 12 to 40 amps depending on what your wiring and grid connection can provide. You can optionally buy another charger to put in your car allowing it to charge up to ~20 kW DC if your house can provide up to 80 amps and 240 volts.
A Tesla Supercharger is 12 of these 10 kW chargers, all tied together to provide up to 120 kW of DC. It, of course requires a ~480 volt, ~250 amp connection from the grid, something no normal house would have available and you'd have to buy 11 more chargers. Tesla generously provides those stacks of 12 chargers in public places, calling them Superchargers, where their customers can share them to get fast charging without having to buy anything else for their cars.
Its really a great thing!
You don't need one for home since 240v (or even 120v if you drive little daily) is sufficient for home charging.
Some guys recently drove a Model S across the country using super chargers in a little over 50 hours.
$10K says you are a fervid Apple owner too. Amirite?
Fucking communists. Trump might have to threaten them with sanctions over this. Ban all sales of the toyota prius into china. That will learn those pinkos good. In fact they should just stick to propping up the worlds latest nuclear armed country.
Fervid would be overstating it. I own some some Apple products but by no means fanboy over their shit.
Also fast charging is not Tesla exclusive idea but they built a useful network first.
Meanwhile bi-ion can be refueled in a matter of minutes, lasts longer and has no expensive battery pack but what chance does this tech have against the likes of Tesla and big oil?
Come on, son, go bi.
Something about the US at odds (i.e. behind) wrt the rest of the world, imperial vs metric & now 120v vs 220/240vI cant figure out what you guys are arguing about.
Well they did do a test drive of the Quantino. Remains to be seen if it is a scam, but maybe it is viable.
https://plugin-magazine.com/driving/concept-cars-nanoflowcell-quantino/
I cant figure out what you guys are arguing about.