China's Military: Scared?

[spanky]

ronstang: i think u r seriously underestimating the potential "enemy". one word for u to knaw on: vietnam

 

[StageLeft]

In the future who knows? No nation in recent times has been king of the hill for all that long. In 50 years the US may be just another near the top. Right now? Hell no. Maybe Canada would get trounced by them but thankfully the US wouldn't let that happen

 

[fyleow]

Don't underestimate numbers. Luftwaffe was the most powerful and feared air force, they still got their butts kicked by the allies.

 

[vash]

Who did China buy a lot of their weapons from? Russia.

Russia, classically, does not keep their weapons up to date, or well maintained. Also, many of Russian forces are behind in technology vs the states, especially when it comes to communication, tanks, planes, etc. I'm not saying China couldn't maintain a healthy army, but they easily are going to look ancient against us, if it ever came down to it.

But why are we fearing China? They have zero intentions to fight us on our own soil. If China wanted to take something, it'll be Taiwan. Unfortunately for China, Taiwan has one of the strongest navy's in the world. It'll be pretty tough to land Chinese troops on Taiwan soil when those carriers are being sunk by the Taiwan navy as soon as they cross into Taiwanese water. Taiwain has the radar (along with the US) ability to monitor the Chinese, as they cross the seas, along with the firepower to stop them.

It would be foolish to think China would invade any other country than Taiwan, but even invading Taiwan would be political suicide in the worlds' eyes. If China did that, they would lose all priveledges they have gained in the WTO and would be furhter shunned by the international community.

vash

 

[Random Variable]

China is too concerned about being a member of the world economic community to do anything stupid for the foreseeable future.

 

[crystal]

Originally posted by: Alphathree33
You must've missed the news photos of their ICBM silos.

You know what I think? If for some reasons US lost its place as a superpower, I think one of the main reason will be social unrest.

 

[zeon]

china isn't a particular threat to anyone right now, their really still in the intial stages of developing then war making capabilities... however in 20-50 years from now they'll easily rival if not surpas any other power in the world, including the us... dismissing china due to their limited capacity right now is very short sighted...

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: zeon
china isn't a particular threat to anyone right now, their really still in the intial stages of developing then war making capabilities... however in 20-50 years from now they'll easily rival if not surpas any other power in the world, including the us... dismissing china due to their limited capacity right now is very short sighted...

Why? They're social structure still stinks. They are populated and have a fairly small amount of land. Just because their momentum now is good doesn't mean it will continue.

 

[Booster]

China's Military: Scared?

Not at all. Not in my lifetime. Of course, empires rise and fall, but it doesn't happen in a year or two. It takes centuries for the civilization to change. And I think that the US can stay a superpower forever. When was the last devastating and world shattering change in the civilization? The falling of the Roman empire, a little less than 2 thousand years ago. Since then, the civilization has stayed almost the same. There has been Western civilization (Europe, and later - Europe and the US), and Eastern (India, China, Arab countries etc). This has remained unchanged for, say, about two thousand years.

Thus, I think it's impossible for us to predict the far future, b/c we can't even imagine what might happen. But in the near future, I don't see China as a threat of any major kind.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Booster

China's Military: Scared?

Not at all. Not in my lifetime. Of course, empires rise and fall, but it doesn't happen in a year or two. It takes centuries for the civilization to change. And I think that the US can stay a superpower forever. When was the last devastating and world shattering change in the civilization? The falling of the Roman empire, a little less than 2 thousand years ago. Since then, the civilization has stayed almost the same. There has been Western civilization (Europe, and later - Europe and the US), and Eastern (India, China, Arab countries etc). This has remained unchanged for, say, about two thousand years.

Thus, I think it's impossible for us to predict the far future, b/c we can't even imagine what might happen. But in the near future, I don't see China as a threat of any major kind.

What you talkinga bout? 300 years ago the US didn't even EXIST. A century ago Britain had the most powerful navy in the world. Their empire was immense. They were the cat's meow and now look at them. Just another (albeit strong) European nation. History doesn't support the idea that a nation can maintain status as super power. No doubt about it the US won't have it forever. It's not a flash in the pan but things will shift.

 

[glenn1]

They can have 10 Billion men and it wouldn't matter.. they could never afford to deploy them anywhere in such great a number, especially overseas...

Bingo. The U.S. Navy would have China confined to the mainland in less than a day from the arrival of the Seventh Fleet, and it would be the most lopsided naval battle in history.

 

[Booster]

What you talkinga bout? 300 years ago the US didn't even EXIST. A century ago Britain had the most powerful navy in the world. Their empire was immense. They were the cat's meow and now look at them. Just another (albeit strong) European nation. History doesn't support the idea that a nation can maintain status as super power. No doubt about it the US won't have it forever. It's not a flash in the pan but things will shift.

Well, I don't think you can compare a century old Britain with present day US. I don't see how it can turn out that some other nation may overtake the superpower status from the US, the US just won't allow it LOL . And I think that the world has become so morally and mentally exhausted that other nations just don't posses the adequate energy and resources to create a super power. I also have to add that I don't know jack about politics, so excuse me if I sound dumb .

 

[Mo0o]

Who ever said CHina can't invade Taiwan right now is obviously misinformed. THe only reason China isn't attacking is because America is getting its big nose into China's business and saying Taiwan should be taken back through peaceful means. If America backed down Taiwan would be bent over and lubed up in an hour.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: glenn1

They can have 10 Billion men and it wouldn't matter.. they could never afford to deploy them anywhere in such great a number, especially overseas...

Bingo. The U.S. Navy would have China confined to the mainland in less than a day from the arrival of the Seventh Fleet, and it would be the most lopsided naval battle in history.

China and America would never go all out. No one is gonna win., we jsut nuke the crap outta each other. jsut like US and USSR in the cold war. Came close, but no one wanted to press the button

 

[spanky]

If America backed down Taiwan would be bent over and lubed up in an hour.

hahahahahaa

 

[HamSupLo]

If America backed down Taiwan would be bent over and lubed up in an hour.

lol

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: Mo0o
Who ever said CHina can't invade Taiwan right now is obviously misinformed. THe only reason China isn't attacking is because America is getting its big nose into China's business and saying Taiwan should be taken back through peaceful means. If America backed down Taiwan would be bent over and lubed up in an hour.

True. At the moment China is improving relations with Western countries, and boosting its economy. If they'd attack Taiwan they would in the worst case have a war with the USA, and in the best case 'just' have a Western trade boycot on their head. Either would not benefit their economy. They attack it more politically now.

Even if they conquered it there would be a good chance that they wouldn't change much for the population as to not piss them off too much. Hong Kong was much richer before being transferred back to China, but that is not because of Chinese restrictions (the people in Hong Kong got far more liberties than in the rest of the country), but because around the same time China opened several other cities for trade (until then Hong Kong was a kind of gateway to China), a few of which were in a more preferable place. Several other cities boomed, while trade in Hong Kong deminished cause of that.

If China was a rich democracy rather than a communist country the USA wouldn't care as much about Taiwan. At the moment it's mostly the fear for communism which fuels the cash stream towards Taiwan.

 

[soccerbud34]

Originally posted by: Mo0o
Who ever said CHina can't invade Taiwan right now is obviously misinformed. THe only reason China isn't attacking is because America is getting its big nose into China's business and saying Taiwan should be taken back through peaceful means. If America backed down Taiwan would be bent over and lubed up in an hour.

Unfortunately, i will have to agree with this statement.

About a month ago, the Taiwanese military has conducted a simulated battle of China invading Taiwan.
The invasion was successful. However, in the simulation, the invasion cost chinese dearly; they lost over 75% of their invasion force.

For a fictional matchup of the Taiwanese Military VS the Chinese Military, here is a website

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Mo0o ... invasion on Taiwan is not as easy as it is sound. Although Chinese PLA does have sea superority, they lack the abillity to transport its attacking forces across the Taiwan strait. A calculation conducted this year, with all of the Chinese naval transport capabilities plus various commercial ships (i.e. fishing ships). The PLA can transfer maybe upto 40,000 to 50,000 troops max at any given time. Not to mention that is only if all of the ships crosses the strait unharmed. And you certainly can not take over Taiwan with an invasion foce less than 6 figures not to mention an army of 50,000 people. Also, to remind you, the Taiwanese Air Force currectly holds air superiority over the PLA air force. Atleast until 2005, that is projected date of when the PLA air force be equal to that of the Taiwanese Air Force.

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[Nefrodite]

well it would be great for smacking those middle eastern b@tchs around

 

[XFreebie]

we bombed their embassy on 'accident'

 

[dafatha00]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: glenn1

They can have 10 Billion men and it wouldn't matter.. they could never afford to deploy them anywhere in such great a number, especially overseas...

Bingo. The U.S. Navy would have China confined to the mainland in less than a day from the arrival of the Seventh Fleet, and it would be the most lopsided naval battle in history.

China and America would never go all out. No one is gonna win., we jsut nuke the crap outta each other. jsut like US and USSR in the cold war. Came close, but no one wanted to press the button

Does China have an ICBM that can reach the US? (I really don't know..I'm curious) Cuz the last I heard, China's ICBMs can POSSIBLY reach Los Angeles and that's about it. If that's the case, they would really have no chance.

 

[AndrewR]

They sure Bitchslapped the Indian Army when India was foolish enough to mess with them.

Oh, please, Mike, that was how many decades ago? Both militaries have come a long way since then. It would be an interesting fight these days, however unlikely.

I agree that the Chinese navy does not have the true 'deep water' capablity of of the US or other naval powers but the airforce is the largest in the world I think (someone correct me if I'm wrong). The have some pretty good russian aircraft like the SU 27 SU 34 Mig 31...

Do keep in mind what kinds of aircraft are most numerable in their inventory, even if it is sizeable. As is mentioned, remember the Gulf War and also Kosovo -- the Serbs had some good aircraft.

Who ever said CHina can't invade Taiwan right now is obviously misinformed.

Care to inform us of your sources for your estimation? I'm exceptionally curious.

 

[Bluga]

Originally posted by: zeon
china isn't a particular threat to anyone right now, their really still in the intial stages of developing then war making capabilities... however in 20-50 years from now they'll easily rival if not surpas any other power in the world, including the us... dismissing china due to their limited capacity right now is very short sighted...

Exactly.

 

[Bluga]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: zeon
china isn't a particular threat to anyone right now, their really still in the intial stages of developing then war making capabilities... however in 20-50 years from now they'll easily rival if not surpas any other power in the world, including the us... dismissing china due to their limited capacity right now is very short sighted...

Why? They're social structure still stinks. They are populated and have a fairly small amount of land. Just because their momentum now is good doesn't mean it will continue.

You probably haven't visit China lately, it's capitalism at work instead of communism.

 

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
One billion men doesn't mean anything if you can't deploy them, and China'a Air Force is a joke as well as their Navy. I am not afraid of China in any capacity, hell they have to steal their technology, what does that tell you. Communism is dead....those idiots just haven't realized it yet.

Nah, the don't have to steal. The just buy the US mil-spec hardware and plans from Israel.

As to being afraid of Chinas army... I might if I lived next to them. Other that that: no, not yet. But in 10 years time, they will have seriously upgraded equipment, and then they will become a real threat.