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alphatarget1

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Originally posted by: PhoenixOrion
I've been in other forums/websites and read that the younger generation in both China and South Korea are taught to hate the Japanese.

And rightfully so, because Japan never really owed up to history.
 

alphatarget1

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Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Originally posted by: mooglemania85
Oh, I dunno, I guess murder, rape, invading your country, etc. tend to have a certain affect on people.

Things that occurred more than half a century ago. I don't find it good to hold a grudge, especially when your generation and the other generation have no real direct experience with the event in question.

Should current Jewish college students hate the Germans?
Should current Japanese college students hate Americans for dropping the atom bombs?
Should current American college students hate the Japanese for Pearl Harbor?

To keep up this hatred is only detrimental to both sides.

Germany still pays a lot of money to this date due to the Holocaust.
 

xanis

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My friend is Chinese and him and his whole family absolutely HATE the Japanese. He said his family had a beef with the Japanese somewhere along the line and the grudge never died.
 

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the asian superiority complex exists even within the same nationality: for the most part, the mainland chinese are looked down upon by those from hong kong. slang terms for mainlanders are thrown around frequently and effortlessly. even those from neighboring canton, who speak the same dialect as hong kongers, will stick out like sore thumbs in the eyes of hong kong people.

monocultural environments just breed intolerance.
 

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Originally posted by: mxrider
Originally posted by: Taejin
1) Germans don't deny how they treated the Jewish people (and the other minorities that get lost in history)

Did you know Germany doesnt teach its youth about the war crimes they committed in WWII? We had a German foreign exchange student at our school last year, and she was really smart, but when someone asked here about the concentration camps and what not, she said "what are you talking about?" she really had no idea. Then I guess some German people are starting to believe that it never really happened at all.

Wrong. Germany didn't teach WWII in high school right after the war for very understandable reasons. A reformed curriculum including WWII was implemented in the late '70s, and applies to elementary school also.
 

Laminator

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Nanking was only one of many atrocities committed by the Japanese. Having grown up in the Western world, we mainly hear about the atrocities committed by the Germans on the Jews. Well, this is the same as the holocaust to Asians. In fact, this is worse because the Japanese government denies it. At least the Germans were ashamed of what they did afterwards.

There was a lot of human experimentation done by the Japanese on Russians, Chinese, Mongolians, and Koreans. This included cutting open human beings while they were alive without anesthesia, deliberately infecting people with various diseases, choking/freezing/injecting animal urine into the kidneys of people, and dropping infected supplies into enemy territory. And just so us Americans can empathize, a few captured American pilots had the same treatment - in revenge for the bombings of the Japanese mainland, a Japanese doctor cut open captured American pilots while they were alive and prodded their organs until they died. This doctor committed suicide after the war, undoubtedly for the shame of what he did.

When some American pilots heard that the Japanese were executing American P.O.W.'s, they strafed Japanese civilians in revenge. How do you think you would have reacted if you heard a Japanese doctor was tying down your best buddy in an enemy camp and cutting him open while he was alive? I'm sorry we didn't grow a few more mushroom clouds over Japan in 1945. No, I don't really mean that, but fantasizing about it makes me feel better when I think about these things.

Of course, Japanese people today have nothing to do with those responsible for the World War II atrocities and those who deny the existence of such atrocities are not really bad people but simply blinded by their pride and ignorance. Plus, we Americans kicked their asses pretty badly in the second half of the war; the Japanese put up their best fight at Iwo Jima and even then the Allied kill ratio was almost 3:1 (although the Allies suffered more total casualties when the wounded were factored in because the Japanese mostly fought to the death). You know you've won when a Japanese soldier attacks your Sherman tank with a bayonet tied onto the end of a stick. Say hello to General Electric and General Motors, bitches.
 

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Originally posted by: Laminator
Nanking was only one of many atrocities committed by the Japanese. Having grown up in the Western world, we mainly hear about the atrocities committed by the Germans on the Jews. Well, this is the same as the holocaust to Asians. In fact, this is worse because the Japanese government denies it. At least the Germans were ashamed of what they did afterwards.

There was a lot of human experimentation done by the Japanese on Russians, Chinese, Mongolians, and Koreans. This included cutting open human beings while they were alive without anesthesia, deliberately infecting people with various diseases, choking/freezing/injecting animal urine into the kidneys of people, and dropping infected supplies into enemy territory. And just so us Americans can empathize, a few captured American pilots had the same treatment - in revenge for the bombings of the Japanese mainland, a Japanese doctor cut open captured American pilots while they were alive and prodded their organs until they died. This doctor committed suicide after the war, undoubtedly for the shame of what he did.

When some American pilots heard that the Japanese were executing American P.O.W.'s, they strafed Japanese civilians in revenge. How do you think you would have reacted if you heard a Japanese doctor was tying down your best buddy in an enemy camp and cutting him open while he was alive? I'm sorry we didn't grow a few more mushroom clouds over Japan in 1945. No, I don't really mean that, but fantasizing about it makes me feel better when I think about these things.

Of course, Japanese people today have nothing to do with those responsible for the World War II atrocities and those who deny the existence of such atrocities are not really bad people but simply blinded by their pride and ignorance. Plus, we Americans kicked their asses pretty badly in the second half of the war; the Japanese put up their best fight at Iwo Jima and even then the Allied kill ratio was almost 3:1 (although the Allies suffered more total casualties when the wounded were factored in because the Japanese mostly fought to the death). You know you've won when a Japanese soldier attacks your Sherman tank with a bayonet tied onto the end of a stick. Say hello to General Electric and General Motors, bitches.

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konakona

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Blah, too long a thread, I stopped reading halfway through.

I am a fully home-grown korean, having spent most of my life in SK and all that. While I cant speak for China/Taiwan, you would have to be a damned liar to not admit how much blatant and outlandish hatred towards the Japanese they seed in their younger generation in Korea; it is true, I have seen too much of it while growing up there. Part of the blame goes to the Teacher's Union in Sk, which (in my opinion) has strong political interest in spreading pro-NK propaganda. Those are the same people who would brainwash their kids to hate americans to death, and I have witnessed all that too.

Of course, I am not saying thats the sole reason; more importantly, the so-called system in Korea dating back to Lee Seung Man and Park Cheong Hee's regimes (never mind that he was often vocal against US's meddling in domestic issues) have been infamous for tyranny and paid little attention to noble ideals such as human rights. Incidentally, their diplomatic alignment happened to be pro-US and pro-Japan. This culminates in Park regime's secrete and controversial sub rosa deal with Japan to secure funds for economic development in exchange for re-establishing diplomatic relationship despite fervent consensus resisting such move; whether this sparked SK's remarkable economic growth is up for debate.

The notion that the ruling class had strong ties with Japan and US was not limited at the presidential level. Punishment and trials never took place and those same sellouts (Japanese sympathizers) managed to maintain status-quo, as the US military Gov in Korea distrusted the Korean Provisional Gov and adhered to the hegemony previously set up by the Japanese Resident General, abominated by the locals for obvious reasons. Much of this general historic information is found on wikipedia FYI.

Bottom line - conservative (and traditionally corrupt, undemocratic) power in SK is viewed to be largely pro-US and pro-Japan, so it is naturally seen as cool, liberal and patriotic to shout anti-Japan slogans and burn the American flag. Along with fandeath, there is another cultural phenomenon found OINK (only in Korea): even when Korean head coach admits Japan had a better team and deserved to win the recent WBC tournament, Koreans claim that they got shafted by unfair tournament rules pushed down their throat by Americans (long story, but Japan was the victim and Korea was most likely a beneficiary)

At least Koreans love baseball (certainly not as much as the Japanese) and have embraced it as a naitonally popular sport, unlike soccer. Pro-soccer league in Korea is all but deceased and left to rot, except whenever there is a soccer match against Japan, it becomes an instant national event (a de facto holiday); bandwaggon soccer fanatics poppoing up left and right - they wouldnt care if they lost worldcup or whatever as long as they win against Japan.

Another interesting cultural facet in Korea is how well-wired the country is. Although this is generally considered a good thing, you would be rather amazed how easily uninformed masses are swayed by some inflamatory post at a popular internet forums or blog. This coupled with the traditional tendency of social exclusionism, it isnt too unusual to see massively furious and almost compulsury reaction even to slightest "instigation" originating from Japan.

It takes two to tango, however; Japan also has their knees deep in historical amnesia, having ranks of nationalist groups with absurd agnedas. If you ever wanted learn what distorted version of WWII and early 20th century history some nationalistic Japanese harbor, browse through 2ch for a bit (or so I keep getting told time and again). To those who arent well-informed in this matter, the atrocities the Japanese have commited during the WW II makes Hitler look like an angel hisemlf (not really, but certainly the Japanese were much worse). The Japanese conservatives are criticized for provoking their neighbors in their attempt to bolster nationalism deemed required to abolish Article 9 and rearm themselves.

What I wanted to point out, is rather how I keep hearing from my friends in Japan that the majority of people there simply dont really care much or know enough about Korea altogether. It is just a series of recent trends in Japan that pushed Korean soap operas and Kimchi to the mainstream. Excluding the radicals found at places like 2ch and their likes, the yougner generation is reportedely more acceptive of Korean culture and do not readily buy into tabloid propaganda like Kenkanryu.

I dont wanna come off as speaking from my high horse, but many enlightened Koreans (or those who know better than average about Japan) agree that much of overzealous anti-Japanese sentiment in Korea is sometimes baseless and taken too far, though at the same time they assert that Japan could use more well-planned strategy in keepin their neighbors happy (history textbooks, reparations, shrine visits and etc) if they are planning on reconcilliating.

Ultimately, what matters in the end is where they want to end up in the future. I, for one, wish all countries in far east could enjoy prosperity in relatively healthy diplomatic and political atmosphere (that, of course, is not without having solved all the outstanding crucial historical/political disagreements and sweeping them under the rug). Reparations or not, I am willing to bet many of those brainwashed Koreans do not wish to be in good terms with Japan no matter what.

There is no saint in the diplomatic realm, more often than not a survival of the fittest; there is a constant wave of clashes over territorial distpute between the nations in the far east, necessarily entailing rash chauvinistic sentiments. At the peak of tension between Korea and China recently, anti-Sinoism in Korea (though briefly) rivaled anti-Japanism. This in fact examplifies:

1) Though seemingly deep-rooted, anti-Japanese sentiment in the younger generations in Korea is undeniably heavily affected by brainwash education - partly a fashionable and shallow concept.
2) Koreans, as I have stated earlier, are reknowned for displaying a series of collective, often fervid yet short-lived zeal over a transient issue. Getting worked up in some anti-Japanese rally is just another annual event, really.
3) Perhaps further exacerbation of anti-Sinoism may dilute some of anti-Japanese fever.

For all I care, some of my best friends here used to be Japanese. Case in point: though I am not sympathetic toward's Israel's cause as a nation, I had no qualms whatsoever with Jewish friends I have met in school and conciously avoided sensitive topics in discussion. Unfortunately, same could not be said about many fellow Koreans I have observed; their minds are too clowded to see that there is a stark difference between hating on and blaming a random, unaquainted individual, and criticizing a large indistinguished group as the whole collectively. Maybe they could learn a thing or two from reading Malcolm X's autobiography. Needless to say, most of them never had a japanese friend, knew little about japan and preferred to keep it that way. Hatred and likewise racism largely comes from ignorance; its easy to hate on someone you dont know well enough, dont care to learn about either - how convineint it is to create some scapegoat figure so you could curse and point finger at to lash out all your anger and stress.

As a closing remark, I wanted to add that you are bound to get different takes on this as we only perceive things as we have personally experienced or observed in our lives. Some of the posters above have contrasting views on the issue, and maybe truth is somewhere in between. Though I have written little about WW II atrocities, not by any means to downplay what significance it has; my purpose of posting here was to present a unique POV to the mix. Personally, I try to distance myself from the older generation when consdiering this international struggle; not that I turn a blind eye on their grievances they had to endure, just that I dont make it my utmost purpose for existence to blame it on the descendant generations and make sure they repent their sin. From what I have seen, brainwashing does exist (whether this is righteous is maybe another can of worms). Two wrongs dont make it right, and I wish that Japan stops modifying their textbooks among other things as much as people in my country would strive to eliminate this anti-japan-over-anything attitude.

Back then, no. But I'm 44 years old and never dated -- I think my mom would welcome anyone now.
Whoa, I remember you saying that like 4 years ago.. Guess things havnt changed much :brokenheart: Keep your head up, 45 is the magic number, I tell ya!
 

konakona

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Originally posted by: Laminator
Nanking was only one of many atrocities committed by the Japanese. Having grown up in the Western world, we mainly hear about the atrocities committed by the Germans on the Jews. Well, this is the same as the holocaust to Asians. In fact, this is worse because the Japanese government denies it. At least the Germans were ashamed of what they did afterwards.

There was a lot of human experimentation done by the Japanese on Russians, Chinese, Mongolians, and Koreans. This included cutting open human beings while they were alive without anesthesia, deliberately infecting people with various diseases, choking/freezing/injecting animal urine into the kidneys of people, and dropping infected supplies into enemy territory. And just so us Americans can empathize, a few captured American pilots had the same treatment - in revenge for the bombings of the Japanese mainland, a Japanese doctor cut open captured American pilots while they were alive and prodded their organs until they died. This doctor committed suicide after the war, undoubtedly for the shame of what he did.

When some American pilots heard that the Japanese were executing American P.O.W.'s, they strafed Japanese civilians in revenge. How do you think you would have reacted if you heard a Japanese doctor was tying down your best buddy in an enemy camp and cutting him open while he was alive? I'm sorry we didn't grow a few more mushroom clouds over Japan in 1945. No, I don't really mean that, but fantasizing about it makes me feel better when I think about these things.

Of course, Japanese people today have nothing to do with those responsible for the World War II atrocities and those who deny the existence of such atrocities are not really bad people but simply blinded by their pride and ignorance. Plus, we Americans kicked their asses pretty badly in the second half of the war; the Japanese put up their best fight at Iwo Jima and even then the Allied kill ratio was almost 3:1 (although the Allies suffered more total casualties when the wounded were factored in because the Japanese mostly fought to the death). You know you've won when a Japanese soldier attacks your Sherman tank with a bayonet tied onto the end of a stick. Say hello to General Electric and General Motors, bitches.

quoting wikipedia
At the end of the war MacArthur secretly granted immunity to the physicians of Unit 731 in exchange for providing America with their research on biological weapons. As a result, only one reference to Japanese experiments with "poisonous serums" on Chinese civilians was heard by the Tokyo War Crimes Tribunal in August of 1946. This was actioned by David Sutton, assistant to the Chinese prosecutor.
Though I admire the man for what he has done for my country in Operation Chromite, he was farm from being without flaws.

something else I found while reading up on WW II
From October 29 to December 7, 1945, an American military commission tried General Yamashita for war crimes relating to the Manila Massacre and sentenced him to death. This case has become a precedent regarding the command responsibility for war crimes and is known as the Yamashita Standard.

The legitimacy of the hasty trial has been called into question by many, as considerable evidence pointed to the fact that Yamashita was either not aware of the atrocities that were committed, or was unable to properly control his soldiers due to communication disruption caused by the U.S. Army during their offensive. One of the atrocities in Manila was even carried out by a unit that disobeyed his orders to retreat, and most belonged to the Imperial Japanese Navy not under his command.

During his trial, the defense attorneys who challenged Douglas MacArthur deeply impressed General Yamashita with their dedication to the case, and reaffirmed his respect for his former enemies. American lawyer Harry E. Clarke, Sr., then a U.S. Army colonel, served as chief counsel for the defense, even going so far as to appeal the decision of the military commission to the U.S. Supreme Court, which affirmed the conviction by a vote of 7-2, with Justices Murphy and Rutledge each writing strong dissenting opinions.

I guess it doesn't help when the Japanese PM goes to the temple to "remember" those killed in the wars... PM Koizumi and Abe did it, even though I believe they also apologized for Japan's involvement in the war and the "comfort women" scandals. That seems to really get the Chinese and Koreans upset.
The reason why demands for apology spring up relentlessly even after the PMs make official appology is that the people of the victimized countries yern for a more sincere apology. Maybe dropping watered down phrases like "it is unfortunate such tragic event happened, blah blah" might help; what they want is an uncut, painfully clear message that spell out who did exactly what. If that doesnt cut it, then the problem is probably elsewhere (read my post)
 

konakona

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I'm not Chinese or Korean, but I've always thought that it's used as nationalistic propaganda in South Korea and China. I think the close proximity results in competition, too. Also, these societies are quite discriminatory. Hate can thrive.

The British routinely deny their genocides (ones that make what the Japanese did look childish), but they aren't hated as much (by their victims) as the Japanese by the Chinese/Koreans.
my Japanese politics teacher would say, antipathy towards japan tends to weaken amongst former "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere" constituents as you move farther away from japan, so distance (or better yet, the amount of inflence) is definitely an issue here. If you think about it, the closer it is, the more likely it is to have more involvment/influence over the region. The Japanese waged an uphill battle for a good part of the War and extracted every bit of wealth, human and material resources and whatnot from the countries that were most readily exploitable.

I am not entirely sure how exactly the British treated the natives, but the Koreans and the Chinese had it real bad during the WW II. Also, Japan had invaded and ravaged korea back in 16C, and the two countries never fully recovered in their diplomatic relationship http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%...7%84%EC%99%9C%EB%9E%80
In fact, I believe this is where the history of long animosity was really forged. Superiority complex is definitely a factor here as the Japanese were considered inferior by the Chinese and Koreans before the former embraced the western technology and demonstrated their military might.

I wonder how Indians feel towards the British...
 

UncleWai

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Way to go for you guys keep trying to spin the issues into a Chinese or Korean propaganda issue and not put any blame on the Japanese. Unlike any religious fundamentalists, Chinese and Koreans are not robots that listen and do whatever the big cheese says. They are not taught to hate Japanese, they were told of the facts of what happened and they formed an opinion. How do their blood not boil when they saw the prime minister of Japan went to the veteran temple that celebrates their work during the WWII? I know we Chinese don't have White skin so you guys probably can't relate the same as Jewish people. But come on now, what the Japanese did during WWII was as worse as the German. However unlike the German government, the Japanese government still tries to play both sides to please the old hardcore Japanese still exist in the country.

It's no different than the people in the other thread about boycotting China of the Olympics. You don't like the Chinese government, therefore you formed an opinion to boycott the Olympic that's held in their place. Retarded and hypocritical, but that's their opinion. I don't see you guys go mouthing off saying Americans and Europeans are taught to hate Communist governments.
 

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Originally posted by: UncleWai
Way to go for you guys keep trying to spin the issues into a Chinese or Korean propaganda issue and not put any blame on the Japanese. Unlike any religious fundamentalists, Chinese and Koreans are not robots that listen and do whatever the big cheese says. They are not taught to hate Japanese, they were told of the facts of what happened and they formed an opinion. How do their blood not boil when they saw the prime minister of Japan went to the veteran temple that celebrates their work during the WWII? I know we Chinese don't have White skin so you guys probably can't relate the same as Jewish people. But come on now, what the Japanese did during WWII was as worse as the German. However unlike the German government, the Japanese government still tries to play both sides to please the old hardcore Japanese still exist in the country.

It's no different than the people in the other thread about boycotting China of the Olympics. You don't like the Chinese government, therefore you formed an opinion to boycott the Olympic that's held in their place. Retarded and hypocritical, but that's their opinion. I don't see you guys go mouthing off saying Americans and Europeans are taught to hate Communist governments.

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konakona

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Originally posted by: UncleWai
Way to go for you guys keep trying to spin the issues into a Chinese or Korean propaganda issue and not put any blame on the Japanese. Unlike any religious fundamentalists, Chinese and Koreans are not robots that listen and do whatever the big cheese says. They are not taught to hate Japanese, they were told of the facts of what happened and they formed an opinion. How do their blood not boil when they saw the prime minister of Japan went to the veteran temple that celebrates their work during the WWII? I know we Chinese don't have White skin so you guys probably can't relate the same as Jewish people. But come on now, what the Japanese did during WWII was as worse as the German. However unlike the German government, the Japanese government still tries to play both sides to please the old hardcore Japanese still exist in the country.

Japanese did the wrong, and they havnt done enough to be forgiven. I never denied that. Yet again, two wrongs doesnt make it right. I got schooling in Korea (seoul) and saw much of what I would call brainwashing there, speaking from my experience. That, along with the general discontent in society toward Japan seemed to have a snowball effect of strong prejudice at an earlier age. Maybe you guys have it better in china

Koreans - 404 genocide not found
Lets not forget how we treat the people of various southeast asian ethnicities. I havnt seen many non-americanized Koreans without strong prejudice against African Americans (this, of course, is not from someone who had experienced some kind of distasteful firsthand incident either)

4) Get Japanese people to realize there is a world outside their islands (you think the US is bad at this? Japan takes the cake) and incite some political involvement.
Ph33r the Nihonjinron.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihonjinron

In the OP's case I wouldn't call it "Racial tension" since Japanese,chinese, koreans....etc are generally depicts as Asians.
In my opinion they look the same and I doubt you guys could recognize them.
We generally could, especially if they are FOBs and less americanized. Though I am often mistaken as a Japanese, Chinese, and sometimes even Vietnamese Flight attendants on an ANA plane tried to talk to me in Japanese, and a lady at the local chinese supermarket talked to me in Chinese the entire time lol
 

konakona

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Do you understand what the US represents? Do you understand why we are hated around the world? We represent freedom and individuality and free market competition -- if you're a facist, dictator, communist, or a socialist, of course you will hate us.
Sarcasm meter on, check. Vindicators of freedom going around raping underaged girls and massacring the entire family, woo-hoo! I would guess that above example is one of the several isolated incidents, and somewhat blown out of proportion by media. But it serves the purpose of depicting how what you mean to represent is not cecessarily what you are interpreted as. Then there is a whole slew of cotnaversial issues like procuring oil reserves, weapons sales, the list goes on.. The answer is clear, American diplomatic policy (including backing unpopular regime in the region) is the key culprit for the worldwide anti-American consensus. And I do hope you were joking. Only if we lived in a world where you could so easily tell right from the wrong, the good guys from the bad guys, and political/economical interests dont mean a damn thing.

ps I have a feeling this thread might be moved to P&N pretty soon.
 

UncleWai

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Originally posted by: VanillaH
Do you understand what the US represents? Do you understand why we are hated around the world? We represent freedom and individuality and free market competition -- if you're a facist, dictator, communist, or a socialist, of course you will hate us.
Sarcasm meter on, check. Vindicators of freedom going around raping underaged girls and massacring the entire family, woo-hoo! I would guess that above example is one of the several isolated incidents, and somewhat blown out of proportion by media. But it serves the purpose of depicting how what you mean to represent is not cecessarily what you are interpreted as. Then there is a whole slew of cotnaversial issues like procuring oil reserves, weapons sales, the list goes on.. The answer is clear, American diplomatic policy (including backing unpopular regime in the region) is the key culprit for the worldwide anti-American consensus. And I do hope you were joking. Only if we lived in a world where you could so easily tell right from the wrong, the good guys from the bad guys, and political/economical interests dont mean a damn thing.

ps I have a feeling this thread might be moved to P&N pretty soon.

Disregard people who are idealist with national pride, they are the same as reglious fundamentalist who only see the world as black and white.
Democracy is not always right. Matter of fact there's no right or wrong. It just happens to be a fit in our time right now. The same as Egypt being a great empire under dictatorship. When will people see freedom always comes with a price and we have to see whether having freedom outweighs the cost. It's easy for the US people to tell every country to go democracy. Was it really freedom when United States first form? Freedom for White males, yes. The United States was lucky with no foreign invasion so they could focus on internal affairs. It took how many years for the United States to allow woman and black people to vote?
If China did not get abused by all the European countries and Japan, do you think their internal welfare won't improve through time? Communism was the tool for them to reunite the country, you don't just no to it suddenly. I don't want China to break apart and form a bunch of Tibetistan, Pekingistan rogue nations. I am not denying in an ideal world democracy is the best form of government. But for a country so large such as China, you can't just suddenly change everything without chaos. Don't forget the reformed China has only been twenty some years.
 

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Originally posted by: DJFuji
uh oh...i'm half japanese and half chinese...

Then you are the chosen one -- the one who was prophesied to unit the asian people! Just as you represent the unity of Chinese and Japanese so shall we all! So shall we all!
 

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Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Originally posted by: mooglemania85
Oh, I dunno, I guess murder, rape, invading your country, etc. tend to have a certain affect on people.

Things that occurred more than half a century ago. I don't find it good to hold a grudge, especially when your generation and the other generation have no real direct experience with the event in question.

Should current Jewish college students hate the Germans?
Should current Japanese college students hate Americans for dropping the atom bombs?
Should current American college students hate the Japanese for Pearl Harbor?

To keep up this hatred is only detrimental to both sides.

What you forget in your argument is the fact that Japan has yet to admit to their atrocities. Their blatent attempt at whitewashing their actions during and prior to WWII upsets the Chinese as well as the Koreans, Filipinos, et cetera. In fact their prime minister and his predecessor paid homage to those who committed the atrocities.
It is the lack of justice and lack of regret that upsets and brings tension between Japan and its neighbors.
 

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First generation immigrant here. Some of my good friends are from China. I don't have any Korean friends, but I also don't know of any Koreans. I've never had any other asian people give me a hard time, so I assume this sort of tension is largely absent, at least in North Carolina. I don't walk around feeling guilty for anything that happend 30 years before I was born, and none of my asian friends have tried to hold me responsible. I'm ok with that.
 

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i had a really good Japanese friend who recently moved here. Of course he didn't have any resentment against Chinese people, but he would tell me there are some people in japan that still refer to Chinese as chinks

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from china sure
they were taught to hate the japanese
its special communist history you'll find mao apologists everywhere in china, frankly they don't know the true extent of his crimes, the regiem is good at teaching their own distorted history.

Way to go for you guys keep trying to spin the issues into a Chinese or Korean propaganda issue and not put any blame on the Japanese. Unlike any religious fundamentalists, Chinese and Koreans are not robots that listen and do whatever the big cheese says. They are not taught to hate Japanese, they were told of the facts of what happened and they formed an opinion.

bullsh*t, there is no real freedom of information in china. sure there are bits of the truth, but thats how it works, the best way to lie is to lace lies with truth. its still a one party state with an official history and no real freedom of speech. if german children were only taught up to the end of ww1 so they hated the french you could also claim they were being taught the "truth". lack of context or omitting their own crimes leads to distorted sense of history.


If China did not get abused by all the European countries and Japan, do you think their internal welfare won't improve through time? Communism was the tool for them to reunite the country, you don't just no to it suddenly. I don't want China to break apart and form a bunch of Tibetistan, Pekingistan rogue nations. I

you are comparing tibet to pakistan?

tibet is being occupied and culturally being wiped out, it is cultural genocide. a whole china isn't worth that kind of nonsense. many other states united without "communism". the price of communism was millions dead, and a generation lost to oppression.

books like this http://www.amazon.com/Mao-Stor...ng-Chang/dp/0679422714
Mao: The Unknown Story
need to be published in china

 

konakona

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This should be a bit lengthy, but interesting read on a somewhat related issue, if you are interested in learning propaganda and hate-preaching in korean educatinal system. FYI, I can speak from experience and relate to this matter better than most any of you here, having recieved near a decade of formal education there.
 

LordNoob

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I thought I was in OT, not PN.

My contribution to this thread is as follows:

"All generalizations are dangerous, including this one."
 

Excelsior

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo


you are comparing tibet to pakistan?

tibet is being occupied and culturally being wiped out, it is cultural genocide. a whole china isn't worth that kind of nonsense. many other states united without "communism". the price of communism was millions dead, and a generation lost to oppression.

books like this http://www.amazon.com/Mao-Stor...ng-Chang/dp/0679422714
Mao: The Unknown Story
need to be published in china

And you should read this: http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html

 
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