Chinese Death Camp Revealed

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Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Braznor
Spoken like a true ignorant troll,

We have fought a war against China, China is helping Pakistan with Nukes, we have every right to have nukes to defend ourselves. The world can ****** itself, nuclear deal or not. We shall have them and no one can stop us.

As for that mango chutney, stuff it up your****

Fish have fins, Russia had a war with the Fins. Russians are red. Fire engines are always rushing. That is why fire trucks are red. And by the exact same logic you claim India needs nuclear weapons. You need them because you feel inferior and are afraid that your inferiority makes you vulnerable. You don't even have any pride in one of your greatest leaders. I figured if inferiority was your problem you would bite on the mango chutney. I eat about 3 dollars worth a sitting, myself, so I do turn copious amounts into sh!t. You will stop, when the idiots like you on the other side turn the world into radioactive ash. Instead of nuclear weapons you can get a bicycle pump for your testicles and maybe even rig them up to a horn so you can parade around every day in the streets blowing about being a man. When the lion roars, the first thing every chimp in the forest does, after he climbs in a tree, is hoot and throw sticks. Give me a bigger stick. Have a banana my friend.

 

Braznor

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Braznor
Spoken like a true ignorant troll,

We have fought a war against China, China is helping Pakistan with Nukes, we have every right to have nukes to defend ourselves. The world can ****** itself, nuclear deal or not. We shall have them and no one can stop us.

As for that mango chutney, stuff it up your****

Fish have fins, Russia had a war with the Fins. Russians are red. Fire engines are always rushing. That is why fire trucks are red. And by the exact same logic you claim India needs nuclear weapons. You need them because you feel inferior and are afraid that your inferiority makes you vulnerable. You don't even have any pride in one of your greatest leaders. I figured if inferiority was your problem you would bite on the mango chutney. I eat about 3 dollars worth a sitting, myself, so I do turn copious amounts into sh!t. You will stop, when the idiots like you on the other side turn the world into radioactive ash. Instead of nuclear weapons you can get a bicycle pump for your testicles and maybe even rig them up to a horn so you can parade around every day in the streets blowing about being a man. When the lion roars, the first thing every chimp in the forest does, after he climbs in a tree, is hoot and throw sticks. Give me a bigger stick. Have a banana my friend.



Moonbeam, Are you always this dumb or just playing the fool by giving that pathetic retort above?

Do you honestly know the situation my nation is in right now?

Let me give you a fair idea:

On the West we have Pakistan having nukes (BTW, their army was nearly about to launch it against us in 2001 before their PM (now deposed in a coup) went begging to Clinton to stop the war.

Chinese sponsored Maoist insurgency are now controlling 40% of the landmass of my nation.

Chinese sponsored Pakistan ICBM program is threatening my nation.

Pakistan sponsored terrorism is murdering our citizens every day.

And you want us to commit suicide by giving up the best deterrent of war ever? There is no question of pride, it is a question of survival.

Since when did the U.S. had two hostile nuclear neighbours to justify its nukes????

Moonbeam, you are way out of your league here. So stick to Republican and Christian fundamentalist bashing, that's all you are good for.

 

dighn

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
What if this is just Falun Gong propaganda? This story should be brought front and center to the world community and on site inspections demanded and independent inquiry obtained before we go off the deep end, it seems to me. If the Chinese are willing to open up and let the world see and they find nothing, it will certainly be a useful lesson in how easily deceived people are. You do see, I hope, that you are more than ready and willing to hate the Chinese. That is, of course, insane.

It's kind of depressing how much people appear to want to believe this. Do they really look at China as some kind of evil presence? This source is far from credible. I don't believe the Chinese government is so evil and stupid to engage in such activities. This is nothing more than a conspiracy theory from a cult propaganda tabloid.
 

Moonbeam

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OMG, why I had no idea you had such big problems. Why of course I can see now why you should have nuclear weapons. First off if you drop them on yourselves you will wipe out in one stroke that 40% Maoist insurgency and you definitely need to bomb Pakistan at the same time. They can help with the insurgency too. And I don't know if you know it, but when it comes to nuclear missiles we are all neighbors. It is just amazing how blind people are when it comes to their own personal fundamentalism. Only YOUR fear is real. Hehe. He who lives by the sword dies by the sword. You are not an Indian. You are a human being. You are infinitely greater than any nationality you can imagine. But like everybody else you have been made to feel small. So you hand on to crumbs and threaten as a way to protect your tiny holdings. To be free is to reject all nationalism. Fear is insanity and it's not good for the insane to have weapons.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: dighn
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
What if this is just Falun Gong propaganda? This story should be brought front and center to the world community and on site inspections demanded and independent inquiry obtained before we go off the deep end, it seems to me. If the Chinese are willing to open up and let the world see and they find nothing, it will certainly be a useful lesson in how easily deceived people are. You do see, I hope, that you are more than ready and willing to hate the Chinese. That is, of course, insane.

It's kind of depressing how much people appear to want to believe this. Do they really look at China as some kind of evil presence? This source is far from credible. I don't believe the Chinese government is so evil and stupid to engage in such activities. This is nothing more than a conspiracy theory from a cult propaganda tabloid.

Well I suppose you could say it's depressing but I do not really know the truth. I will just withhold judgment till I know more. But there is no reason to be depressed by what can't be other than it is. Humanity has been put deeply to sleep and in that state it can't really question. It is not our fault that we are blind. Depression is in fact a part of the problem. In order to see you have to be willing to see what really is and if you have a bias against the depression you won't see in that direction. We fill the world with monsters, all those enemies out side, because inside we are terrified of ourselves. We are the monsters we see out there. That is why there will never be a bomb big enough for us to feel save. We don't know that we are the enemy we fear. Only in the realization of that profoundly depressing fact is there hope. Our feelings that we are a monster is a lie. We were sold a total lie.
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Darkstar757
Sad,
May god have mercy on there souls.


Religion not allowed there, no mercy for them.

What a liberal wetdream :roll:

(in responce to your above diatribe about Republicans and China)
 

Proletariat

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Dude moonbeam...

You honestly have no grasp of anything geo-political.

Seriously just keep trashing Republicans with your fake-out Buddha crap. I can't wait until an actual Buddhist owns you.
 

dexvx

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Originally posted by: Braznor
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I recognize India for it's mango chutney, superior by far from any I've ever seen from China. And you might what to see a doctor if you are proud of nuclear weapons. Coming from the land of Gandhi, you ought to be ashamed.


Spoken like a true ignorant troll,

We have fought a war against China, China is helping Pakistan with Nukes, we have every right to have nukes to defend ourselves. The world can ****** itself, nuclear deal or not. We shall have them and no one can stop us.

As for that mango chutney, stuff it up your *** and STFU!!!!

During the 1st (or was it 2nd?) Pako-India War, Indian troops crossed into Chinese territory to manuever against Pakistani troops. The figured they could get away with it, because it was remote mountain terrain in the middle of nowhere. However, the Chinese regional commander retaliated and drove India back (along with central command authorizing reinforcements). However, that was a minor skirmish, I doubt any more than a couple hundred troops were involved from either side. Hardly what I would call a war.


As for this article, unless theres more confirmations, this is nothing but a fictional story. Just like the Iranian stories about widespread Honor Killings proven to be fictional to provoke some kind of Western hate on Iran.
 

Proletariat

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Originally posted by: dexvx
Originally posted by: Braznor
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I recognize India for it's mango chutney, superior by far from any I've ever seen from China. And you might what to see a doctor if you are proud of nuclear weapons. Coming from the land of Gandhi, you ought to be ashamed.


Spoken like a true ignorant troll,

We have fought a war against China, China is helping Pakistan with Nukes, we have every right to have nukes to defend ourselves. The world can ****** itself, nuclear deal or not. We shall have them and no one can stop us.

As for that mango chutney, stuff it up your *** and STFU!!!!

During the 1st (or was it 2nd?) Pako-India War, Indian troops crossed into Chinese territory to manuever against Pakistani troops. The figured they could get away with it, because it was remote mountain terrain in the middle of nowhere. However, the Chinese regional commander retaliated and drove India back (along with central command authorizing reinforcements). However, that was a minor skirmish, I doubt any more than a couple hundred troops were involved from either side. Hardly what I would call a war.


As for this article, unless theres more confirmations, this is nothing but a fictional story. Just like the Iranian stories about widespread Honor Killings proven to be fictional to provoke some kind of Western hate on Iran.

Yea everything is Western hate :roll:
 

dexvx

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Originally posted by: Proletariat


Yea everything is Western hate :roll:

When did I say that? I said there are people who like to provoke feelings in Western Countries (Anglo-European and Australian-NZ) to make them hate/sympathize with certain people by creating false stories and passing them along as truth.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: dexvx
Originally posted by: Proletariat


Yea everything is Western hate :roll:

When did I say that? I said there are people who like to provoke feelings in Western Countries (Anglo-European and Australian-NZ) to make them hate/sympathize with certain people by creating false stories and passing them along as truth.

Yes but he was trying to show you what thinking looks like when you have geo-political grasp.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Proletariat
Dude moonbeam...

You honestly have no grasp of anything geo-political.

Seriously just keep trashing Republicans with your fake-out Buddha crap. I can't wait until an actual Buddhist owns you.

Hehe, I have discovered that if you really want to disturb somebody, find their hate and tell them it's not justified. "Here I was all dressed to kill and nowhere to go." Damn!

 

1prophet

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Originally posted by: dexvx
Originally posted by: Proletariat


Yea everything is Western hate :roll:

When did I say that? I said there are people who like to provoke feelings in Western Countries (Anglo-European and Australian-NZ) to make them hate/sympathize with certain people by creating false stories and passing them along as truth.

And what type of proof would be acceptable to you? Chinese inmates' organs for sale to Britons

And even if the proof you seek was given do you think the west would suddenly just close shop just like they did during Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 ?




 

1prophet

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The Washington Times


www.washingtontimes.com

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Chinese inmates' organs for sale to Britons
By Richard Spencer
LONDON DAILY TELEGRAPH
Published December 20, 2005

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GUANGZHOU, China -- A Chinese company has begun marketing kidneys, livers and other organs from executed prisoners to sick Britons in need of transplants.
Hospital Doctor, a British magazine, earlier this month reported that a firm called Transplants International was trying to recruit British patients.
Operations were to be carried out at Guangzhou Air Force Military Hospital by doctors from a hospital affiliated with the nearby Sun Yat-sen Southern University.
Guangzhou is the fast-growing metropolis near Hong Kong in the heart of China's southern manufacturing zone.
The Telegraph confirmed the story in an interview with the hospital's Dr. Na Ning, in which a reporter posed as someone interested in getting involved as a business venture.
"We can sign an agreement," Dr. Na said over a business lunch in a smart Western restaurant.
"We should be cautious -- this is sensitive. There is no need to bring in lawyers or consultants. We should do the agreement on trust."
Dr. Na is one of many doctors involved in a growing organ-transplant trade that has caused revulsion around the world. In China, the practice raises few eyebrows.
Executed prisoners are the main source of organs used in the country's transplant operations, thousands of which are conducted each year.
Up to one in 10 recipients are believed to be from other nations, mainly from elsewhere in Asia. There is also a market in Saudi Arabia, according to Imad, a Jordanian working as a translator at the military hospital.
"All the operations on foreigners in China are now carried out at military hospitals," Dr. Na said.
China's Health Ministry banned its own hospitals from taking part in organ transplants from prisoners after an international outcry over the practice in the 1990s.
Military hospitals are independent of the Health Ministry.
Dr. Na said military hospitals also have access to the Public Security Bureau -- the police. This means transplants that are a good match for potential donors are more readily available from the execution grounds.
Foreigners, after an initial checkup, are guaranteed an organ will arrive within two weeks.
Some human rights campaigners have claimed the use of transplanted organs encourages the authorities to arrange executions to suit the doctors' schedules.
Dr. Na and other hospitals involved said they had yet to have a patient from Britain.
Transplants International was about to find a patient in Britain, Dr. Na said, but had cut off contact after the patient's relative -- in reality, a Hospital Doctor reporter -- asked too many questions.
"There are spies," Dr. Na said. "We have to be very careful."
Under the deal offered, British and other Western patients would be charged $40,000 for a kidney transplant.
Of that, the middleman could keep $12,000 to $15,000. The rest went to the hospital.
Patients are mostly aware of where the organs come from, but if they need a transplant, they do not have much choice.
After treatment, patients have a more than 85 percent success rate, according to the hospital's statistics.
One patient, a Chinese man with a son living in Britain, said he was very satisfied. Asked if he minded the fact that the organ came from an executed prisoner, Dr. Na answered for him. "Patients are aware of this," he said. "They put their trust in their doctors."
Dr. Na, who spoke excellent English, showed a typical contract between the hospital and a middleman, an Indonesian, to provide patients from Vietnam.
Asians pay half the Western price, but Dr. Na said Western patients get "VIP" treatment and are sure to get the "best quality" organs.
The contract is detailed and gives a discount of $1,500 if the middleman provides more than 10 patients a month.
A surcharge of $2,000 can be paid for VIP treatment. A liver transplant is more expensive, at $60,000.
The Chinese government says all prisoners whose organs are used have agreed to the donation, and in some cases, their relatives are paid.
After being approached by the Daily Telegraph, Transplants International shut down its Web site.
It was set up by Jonathan Hakim, a Beijing-based businessman from the United States, using the name John Harris.
Mr. Hakim denied having supplied patients to Dr. Na in the past and added that he had decided no longer to be involved with the project.
"I see this is clearly something that I do not want to be part of," he said.
 

kage69

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DVK think the world would be peaceful under communism provided you wipe out the christians, muslims or people of other faiths first.


This vague opinion doesn't answer my question. DVK? Feel free to throw me a link.


I had a Taiwanese chi kung instructor tell me once that the Falun Gong poison chi kung/qigong with politics, and likened them to abused children. It would seem spiritual movements butting their heads into politics isn't exclusive to America. This isn't a war on "faith" perpetrated by lefties, like you and ntdz would have everyone believe, this is just the latest paranoid and disgusting behavior by an authoritarian regime bent on maintaining it's position.

If the Chinese are so set on wiping out every last vestige of human spirituality within their borders, then why aren't Chinese Daoists, Buddhists and Christians being persecuted in the same way?
 

imported_Aelius

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Originally posted by: kage69
DVK think the world would be peaceful under communism provided you wipe out the christians, muslims or people of other faiths first.


This vague opinion doesn't answer my question. DVK? Feel free to throw me a link.


I had a Taiwanese chi kung instructor tell me once that the Falun Gong poison chi kung/qigong with politics, and likened them to abused children. It would seem spiritual movements butting their heads into politics isn't exclusive to America. This isn't a war on "faith" perpetrated by lefties, like you and ntdz would have everyone believe, this is just the latest paranoid and disgusting behavior by an authoritarian regime bent on maintaining it's position.

If the Chinese are so set on wiping out every last vestige of human spirituality within their borders, then why aren't Chinese Daoists, Buddhists and Christians being persecuted in the same way?

Maybe because it's much easier to do this to a minority with no power.
 

RichardE

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CCP Kills and Covers Up: Sudden Surge in Organ Transplants Reported
The Epoch Times
Apr 08, 2006

(The Epoch Times)

In an "Urgent Announcement" a special investigative group reports an alarming increase in the number of organ transplants being done in transplant centers throughout China. Published on the Clearwisdom website by the Integrated Committee to Investigate the Secret Sujiatun Concentration Camp, the announcement concludes that the Chinese communist regime is killing detainees in Sujiatun and other concentration camps in an effort to hide the evidence of mass murder and live organ harvesting.

The Integrated Committee's investigation has learned that hospitals and transplant centers in Heilongjiang, Hunan, Shanghai, Zhejiang, Yunnan, Anhui, Shan'xi and Xinjiang are operating overtime to perform transplant operations. This surge in activity is said to be due to the release of information over the past three weeks about the slaughter that has gone on at Sujiatun and other concentration camps in China at least since 2001.

Mass Murder through Live Organ Harvesting

The Epoch Times first reported on March 9 the existence of a concentration camp in the Sujiatun District of Shenyang City in Liaoning Province, China, whose sole purpose is the harvesting of organs from Falun Gong practitioners. The source for this report is a journalist who had worked since 1999 for a Japanese television station in the area around Shenyang. Knowing he was putting his life at risk in revealing what he had discovered, he felt compelled to reveal what he termed "worse than any nightmare:" the harvesting of organs from living Falun Gong practitioners for the purpose of sale to doctors for use in organ transplants.

Two other witnesses with direct knowledge of this slaughter of Falun Gong practitioners have since confirmed this first report. One of them is a former staff member of the Liaoning Thrombus Treatment Center of Integrated Chinese and Western Medicine whose ex-husband had worked as a surgeon performing the organ harvesting. She reported that the Sujiatun camp had held 6,000 Falun Gong practitioners at one time, but that two-thirds of these had been killed by organ harvesting, with their bodies quickly cremated.

The other witness, a veteran military doctor in the region of Shenyang, confirmed the reports, but added that the Sujiatun camp was only one of thirty-six concentration camps where the widespread practice of organ harvesting takes place. One of these, a camp in Jilin Province, is said to hold about 14,000 practitioners. Another camp in Jilin Province referred to as 672-S is said to hold over 120,000 inmates, including Falun Gong practitioners, other prisoners of conscience, and felons.

The reports of these witnesses as to what has taken place in Sujiatun have also been confirmed by investigations done by the World Organization to Investigate the Persecution of Falun Gong (W.O.I.P.F.G.).

As the news of the mass murder in Sujiatun has gotten out, responses have begun to build. The U.S. State Department raised the issue of Sujiatun with the Chinese regime last week, and members of Congress have begun asking for explanations.

In Canada, the Green Party urged the Canadian government to act on the reports of the Sujiatun death camp, and individual members of all four major parties have urged the government to act.

'Come in Quickly'

According to the Integrated Committee's announcement, transplant hospitals in China are now telling patients to "come in quickly" to get transplants. Patients are told that matching organs can be found at this time in as short as one or two days. The hospitals are also reported to say that "it will be difficult after this batch of organs is used up."

The Integrated Committee's announcement that there has been a rapid increase in organ harvesting in China concurs with an April 4 report issued by W.O.I.P.F.G. that the number of organ transplants has recently rapidly increased in Tianjin.

The Integrated Committee explains this rapid increase as part of a plan by the Chinese regime to hide all evidence to what had taken place in the concentration camps. Once the remaining inmates are slaughtered, none would be left to be witnesses.

According to the Committee, immediately after the Sujiatun Camp was exposed, the Chinese regime hastily published the "Interim Regulation for Human Organ Transplant Practice," a document meant to provide a legal fig-leaf for the regime with new regulations governing the several decades-old practice of harvesting organs from prisoners. However, this document does not go into effect until July 1.

The delay in the implementation of the new regulation allows the Chinese regime time to put a cover-up in place and eliminate all evidence of the slaughter, according to the Integrated Committee's announcement.

The Integrated Committee is a group formed on April 4 by the Clearwisdom website and the Falun Dafa Association. Its mission is "to form an Integrated Committee with all related international organizations, state agencies and media in requesting to go to China to conduct an independent, direct, interference-free investigation to collect evidence, and completely search for the truth of the persecution of Falun Gong, including the Sujiatun Concentration Camp and other secret concentration camps located elsewhere to end this 7-year brutal persecution [of Falun Gong practitioners]."


http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/6-4-8/40147.html



Seems China is planning to stop this before it blows up anymore, but not until July 1st.
 

dexvx

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Originally posted by: 1prophet
Originally posted by: dexvx
Originally posted by: Proletariat


Yea everything is Western hate :roll:

When did I say that? I said there are people who like to provoke feelings in Western Countries (Anglo-European and Australian-NZ) to make them hate/sympathize with certain people by creating false stories and passing them along as truth.

And what type of proof would be acceptable to you? Chinese inmates' organs for sale to Britons

And even if the proof you seek was given do you think the west would suddenly just close shop just like they did during Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 ?

How is that any relevant proof? Death Row inmates executed have their orgrans up for sale/donation. I personally would care less about Death Row inmates.

And please, link something other than from epochtimes or another website that links off epochtimes. Its because theres no proof of the incidents at Sujiatun that the Epochtimes is conveniantly saying its a coverup and removal type of deal.
 

Promethply

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Don't many countries "harvest" human organs from people who've just recently died?

Except that in many western countries, they could only collect organs if the deceased has agreed for their organs to be used if they were to die in an accident, etc.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Darkstar757
Sad,
May god have mercy on there souls.


Religion not allowed there, no mercy for them.

I thought a world without religion was the dream of many a liberal ATer. So which is it? A conservative utopia or a liberal one?
 

UncleWai

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More supply = cheaper organs. You will thank the Chinese government when you need a kidney or two.
 
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