Chinese x79 Full System Upgrade from Phenom II ?

[presentxy]

Hi everyone;

I know these xeon cpus used and old and also their memory. But it seems like pretty good and powerful. But i'm not sure. I'm wondering about VRM's,quality of mobo. What are u saying guys ?

Thanks for answers.

Current System:

MSI 970 GAMING MOBO
AMD PHENOM II X6 1100T 3.6GHZ
CORSAIR 2X4GB DDR3 1600MHZ
SANDISK EXTREME PRO SSD
ASUS STRIX RX480 8GB
CORSAIR VS650W
CORSAIR 200R
XIGMATEK AEGIR CPU COOLER



--> XEON FULL SYSTEM <--

Besides i dont care about DDR4,M2 PCIE bla bla. JUST PERFORMANCE AND DURABLE SYSTEM

 

[daveybrat]

That would not be a good upgrade over what you currently run. If you plan on upgrading look for something more modern.

 

[XavierMace]

If you're concerned about the quality of the mobo, I wouldn't be buying a no-name Chinese one. Buy a Supermicro board or a complete surplus system from eBay.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

If you're concerned about the quality of the mobo, I wouldn't be buying a no-name Chinese one. Buy a Supermicro board or a complete surplus system from eBay.

The board looks like it could be an EVGA board, but that's just an incidental guess. I would have to ask whether an Ivy Bridge-E desktop processor or a Xeon compatible with the socket would make any difference, one over the other. You can ask that question yourself.

But whether you choose a Z370 chipset and socket 1151 or a socket 2011-3 and compatible processor, I'd really think you should probably skip fiddling with the Huanan motherboard and just build something of more recent vintage.

 

[XavierMace]

The board looks like it could be an EVGA board, but that's just an incidental guess. I would have to ask whether an Ivy Bridge-E desktop processor or a Xeon compatible with the socket would make any difference, one over the other. You can ask that question yourself.

But whether you choose a Z370 chipset and socket 1151 or a socket 2011-3 and compatible processor, I'd really think you should probably skip fiddling with the Huanan motherboard and just build something of more recent vintage.

i7-8700k Passmark: 16,264
R7 1800X Passmark: 15,393
Dual E5-2690v2 Passmark: 23,901

If all you're concerned about is CPU performance on the cheap, you're hard to beat a surplus server. Keep in mind he's coming from a system with a Passmark score of 5,800. With a little bit of hunting, you can get a complete Ivy Bridge-EP system for under $500.

 

[daveybrat]

The problem is that we don't know why he wants to upgrade. Is it for editing/rendering? Gaming? Web Browsing?

Knowing what he uses the PC for would help immensely.

 

[XavierMace]

The problem is that we don't know why he wants to upgrade. Is it for editing/rendering? Gaming? Web Browsing?

Knowing what he uses the PC for would help immensely.

This is true, but the same applies to your statement that it's not a good upgrade.

 

[presentxy]

The problem is that we don't know why he wants to upgrade. Is it for editing/rendering? Gaming? Web Browsing?

Knowing what he uses the PC for would help immensely.

General use,and gaming. For example i7 980x still can feed good GPU's like GTX 1060 6GB am i right ? of course. But my phenom II x6 cant feed why because not enough power. I want massive CPU, 25mb cache makes me crazy. Lets talk about other site of course i know HUANAN its not good brand and also 65nm chipset which is that mean high temp, and that makes me angry. And i dont want feed anybody or anybrand just try to make a right choose. I can buy with this price Ryzen R5 1600 and am4 mobo. And R5 1600 and this Xeon almost equal.

I decide buy something modern. I guess i wait for ZEN+ and save money. Ryzen need more CPU freq.

 

[Riok]

Hi everyone;

I know these xeon cpus used and old and also their memory. But it seems like pretty good and powerful. But i'm not sure. I'm wondering about VRM's,quality of mobo. What are u saying guys ?

Just run the firestrike benchmark so you get an idea of our machine performance for gaming and you can compare that with other results, using their "advanced search". From my research, I can see even xeon x5670 is enought today to drive high end video cards.

Firestrike results:
Intel Xeon Processor X5670 (6 cores) + NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 = 18000 (cost 40€)
Intel Xeon Processor E5-2680 v2 (10 cores) + NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 = 18000 (cost 140€)
Intel Core i7-7700 + NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 = 18000 (cost 250€ )

So old xeons is an amazing price/performance ratio for gaming. The problem is getting the motherboard.

I would give a try at Huanan's boards. It is cheap but offers no guarantee, like a used board. It's new so the capacitors are brand new and I would be confident to run a non-overclocked system on thoose boards for 3-5 years.

Manufacturing new x79 boards for home users to use the old xeons is a smart move from huanan. Asus wouldn't do that !

The only problem of xeons is that you need to pick up the right ones for gaming/fast usage because it seems the ones with too many cores and not enough clock speed can be disapointing.

 

[aigomorla]

I am also curious in trying out that system.

The thing is overall cheap, you can find retired E5's on ebay for cheap.
Its not a monster power house, but it should be fairly decient with 10 cores.

If you look on ebay right now, a 5900 series cpu itself costs more then that bundle... lol....

I want massive CPU, 25mb cache makes me crazy

LOLz...

a 7980XE doesnt even have that much cache... its 24.75MB @ a nice price tag of 2000 dollars just for the cpu.

 

[Riok]

The prices:
x58 16gb x5670 = 200€ (Sata 2 only, 250MB/s)
x79 32gb e2680v2 = 400€

I am not sure a 10 core cpu is good for gaming, they don't have many benchmarks for that I personally would stick to a 6 core with high frequencies on all 6 cores, but have no real data to confirm that.

 

[aigomorla]

no i completely agree a lower core with higher clock freq is way better....

that is why the new chips from intel has turbo all cores, and super turbo on 2 cores as it helps significantly for gaming.

 

[Riok]

no i completely agree a lower core with higher clock freq is way better....

that is why the new chips from intel has turbo all cores, and super turbo on 2 cores as it helps significantly for gaming.

Good to know so it depends on xeon generation. I would be interested to know up to how many cores one can go, without overclocking and not loosing the gaming performance.

Here someone plays BF1 at 4K with a 1080ti:
Xeon cpu pc build bf1 battlefield 1 Played in 4k on 1080 ti and Xeon E5 1620 V2 LGA 2011

(Then youtube suggests lots of videos so we can see thoose boards at work with 1070/1080. A lot are not in english)

 

[B-Riz]

I bought a mATX x79 board from a US seller (4 RAM slots), grabbed a 1620 v1, BUT, it needs to have ALL memory slots populated. I did not have 4 sticks at the time, was going from an i5 2310 with 2x4GB sticks. After that I ordered a 4x4GB ECC kit for around $25, which is just amazing considering the whole system RAM debacle right now.

The real winner in all of this is the fact you can get a 1650, which is 6 core with hyper-threading.

Sadly, I have not messed with it yet. I hope to soon, sorry I can't give benches or anything right now.

 

[Riok]

I bought a mATX x79 board from a US seller (4 RAM slots), grabbed a 1620 v1, BUT, it needs to have ALL memory slots populated. I did not have 4 sticks at the time, was going from an i5 2310 with 2x4GB sticks. After that I ordered a 4x4GB ECC kit for around $25, which is just amazing considering the whole system RAM debacle right now.

The real winner in all of this is the fact you can get a 1650, which is 6 core with hyper-threading.

Sadly, I have not messed with it yet. I hope to soon, sorry I can't give benches or anything right now.

Thanks for the feedback. Please make a Firestrike bench when you have time and tell us about fan control. If you ever had the idea, do not try to OC on theese boards.

 

[customgtp]

https://youtu.be/T3xLtqC5S_4
I have an intel x79 no name in my system right now. I have used a $70 e5 1660v2 4\core and now I am using a $170 e5 1660v2 6\core. I highly recommend it honestly. I have 3 computers. One has a 6700k and the other a 7700k and the xeon cpu Im using is as good or better than those cpu's. The motherboard is working just fine so far. Yes I agree with the vrm statement. I have not and will not oc the board. I oc'd the gpu only. I play games in 1440p with my overclocked 780ti and Ive tested my 1080ti with these cpus and they easily play 4k w/ highest settings.

https://cdn.pcpartpicker.com/static...682.b652af3b57f3b37d6815ffdcc4eb9eb9.1600.jpg
https://cdn.pcpartpicker.com/static...682.9b5ea526f97c2a56622d6cf4c0aac018.1600.jpg
https://cdn.pcpartpicker.com/static...682.bfbb00e415cd7f1ba580546c5e5485f9.1600.jpg

Passmark scores:
7700k 12081
7600k 11109
e5 1620v2 9509
e5 1660v2 13868


They are not the best looking boards and bios is basic but I am proof that they work and you can pick up an amazing cpu for under $100 if you want and it'll run high end gpu's w/o bottleneck
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SALE-Intel...141357&hash=item41d0029e53:g:F~cAAOSwVtZZ~WBt

 

[customgtp]

and this is my video on youtube

Xeon cpu pc build bf1 battlefield 1 Played in 4k on 1080 ti and Xeon E5 1620 V2 LGA 2011

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbktM-Pfv2_CfImN9NxU4cg

 

[Riok]

no i completely agree a lower core with higher clock freq is way better....

that is why the new chips from intel has turbo all cores, and super turbo on 2 cores as it helps significantly for gaming.

Here is an interesting benchmark from Craft computing:
Chinese x79 Motherboards! Which CPU to use???
"Today we'll be taking a look at four CPU options for these Chinese x79 motherboards. We've got the E5-2643 3.3GHz 4C/8T, the E5-2650 2.0GHz 8C/16T, the E5-2667 2.9GHz 6C/12T, and the tried and true E5-2670 2.6GHz 8C/16T."

He did more videos about the x79 motherboards.

Edit:
There's also Side Project reporting on thoose:
Chinese Socket 2011 x79 Motherboard