Chiropractic Questions

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: eits
any more questions?

Can back problems cause jaw popping and sore/stiff jaw/neck/shoulders/shoulderblades/ribs?

I swear, from my hips on up is constant pain and my shoulder blades make god awful crunchy/poppy/fluidy noises when I roll my shoulders.

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: bctbct
I didnt read the whole thread. I went to CPs for a few lower back injuries and I just didnt have good results. The treatments seemed temporary and never improved. Of the two times I recall I ended up going to a MD who prescribed pain pills and muscle relaxers which cleared up the problem.

The first time he explained that 1 of my legs was shorter than the other and he wanted to fit me for a lift. Hogwash.

The second time he kept telling how many more appointments my insurance would cover, come back tomm. He used an electro stimilation device we was annoying.

Sorry, didnt work for me.

pain is caused by something going wrong. pain pills don't magically fix the problem. they just stop the pain receptors being perceived by the brain.

if the adjustments didn't help, it's more than likely because you were doing something to counteract the adjustment or you weren't doing your stretches or you were too fat in front or something. it could also be that your chiropractor is not that great of an adjuster.

please read the thread... at least skim it. you'll find a lot of answers. i'm really tired and don't feel like typing very much right now

I aint no fatty

I think it was the siatic(sp) nerve. I threw my back out and what I think happened is that the pain was so bad and my body got so out of whack from nursing the injury is made matters worse. I feel like when I was on the pain pills it allowed me to move like I normally did and allowed the injury to heal.

Btw I switched to good work boots and that pretty much cleared up my back problems, so good shoes definetly help the skeleton.

I just didnt feel like the CP was helping my problem so I moved to something else which seemed to correct it.

 

[bluearyus]

do chiropractors (sp?) go through some sort of post-grad training? the equivalent of the 3-5+ years of residency (and fellowship) after medical school for MDs. I've met a few chiropractors that switched to medical school, and man they were really good with their bone anatomy knowledge.

@bctbct
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medline...ncy/article/000686.htm

i always found googling medical terms + 'nlm' works well for getting decent/reliable information or add 'mayo' to your search to get the mayo clinic's take on a particular disease/clinical sign

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: bctbct
I didnt read the whole thread. I went to CPs for a few lower back injuries and I just didnt have good results. The treatments seemed temporary and never improved. Of the two times I recall I ended up going to a MD who prescribed pain pills and muscle relaxers which cleared up the problem.

The first time he explained that 1 of my legs was shorter than the other and he wanted to fit me for a lift. Hogwash.

The second time he kept telling how many more appointments my insurance would cover, come back tomm. He used an electro stimilation device we was annoying.

Sorry, didnt work for me.

pain is caused by something going wrong. pain pills don't magically fix the problem. they just stop the pain receptors being perceived by the brain.

if the adjustments didn't help, it's more than likely because you were doing something to counteract the adjustment or you weren't doing your stretches or you were too fat in front or something. it could also be that your chiropractor is not that great of an adjuster.

please read the thread... at least skim it. you'll find a lot of answers. i'm really tired and don't feel like typing very much right now

I aint no fatty

I think it was the siatic(sp) nerve. I threw my back out and what I think happened is that the pain was so bad and my body got so out of whack from nursing the injury is made matters worse. I feel like when I was on the pain pills it allowed me to move like I normally did and allowed the injury to heal.

Btw I switched to good work boots and that pretty much cleared up my back problems, so good shoes definetly help the skeleton.

I just didnt feel like the CP was helping my problem so I moved to something else which seemed to correct it.

if the injury is aggrivated by walking around normally without painkillers, what makes you think that walking around normally WITH painkillers HELPS the injury heal?

the injury needs time to heal, yes. but painkillers DELAYS the actual healing time of the injury. the reason is because patients do what they would normally do if they didn't have the pain. pain = your body's way of saying, "hey, asshole! i'm trying to heal, here! there's something wrong and i'm trying to fix it for you. do you mind?" painkillers just makes it so that you're sticking your fingers in your ears and you can't hear what your body's telling you anymore.

not only does it delay healing, but it could make the way the injury heals WORSE. your body is extremely adaptive and knows what to do under certain conditions. if your body encounters an injury that needs to rest and heal before it's used and it gets used instead, causing inflammation, your body figures that your injury is supposed to heal under those conditions and will add way more scar tissue than it should... or, it'll make your ligaments way looser than they should be.

for example, ligament injuries. you want ligaments to heal tighter than normal... not looser than normal. tighter than normal ligaments can be elongated and stretched back to normal. looser than normal ligaments CAN'T get tighter... they stay loose and unstable, unless you have surgery on it or something.

bottom line is that you need to let things heal... you nurse it while it heals. you shouldn't take a painkiller and keep on trucking while continuing to injure the injury.

by the way, you could have one leg shorter than the other. most people in the world do. a heal lift will help stabilize your pelvis, which will bring you in to see the chiropractor a LOT less. sounds like the chiropractor was trying to do you a favor.

e-stim is very useful in pain management and interrupting the message sent from the muscle to the cns making it stay hypertonic.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: bluearyus
do chiropractors (sp?) go through some sort of post-grad training? the equivalent of the 3-5+ years of residency (and fellowship) after medical school for MDs. I've met a few chiropractors that switched to medical school, and man they were really good with their bone anatomy knowledge.

@bctbct
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medline...ncy/article/000686.htm

i always found googling medical terms + 'nlm' works well for getting decent/reliable information or add 'mayo' to your search to get the mayo clinic's take on a particular disease/clinical sign

http://www.chiropracticresearc...NEWSchiroeduaction.htm
http://www.drgrisanti.com/mddc.htm
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos071.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Chiropractic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic_school

hope these links help answer your question :thumbsup:

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: bluearyus
do chiropractors (sp?) go through some sort of post-grad training? the equivalent of the 3-5+ years of residency (and fellowship) after medical school for MDs. I've met a few chiropractors that switched to medical school, and man they were really good with their bone anatomy knowledge.

@bctbct
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medline...ncy/article/000686.htm

i always found googling medical terms + 'nlm' works well for getting decent/reliable information or add 'mayo' to your search to get the mayo clinic's take on a particular disease/clinical sign

http://www.chiropracticresearc...NEWSchiroeduaction.htm
http://www.drgrisanti.com/mddc.htm
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos071.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Chiropractic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic_school

hope these links help answer your question :thumbsup:

Just to quickly paraphrase what I found:

Looking at the links, then (and correct me if I'm wrong), it would appear that post-graduate education is offered to, but not required of, graduates of a DC program.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: bluearyus
do chiropractors (sp?) go through some sort of post-grad training? the equivalent of the 3-5+ years of residency (and fellowship) after medical school for MDs. I've met a few chiropractors that switched to medical school, and man they were really good with their bone anatomy knowledge.

@bctbct
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medline...ncy/article/000686.htm

i always found googling medical terms + 'nlm' works well for getting decent/reliable information or add 'mayo' to your search to get the mayo clinic's take on a particular disease/clinical sign

http://www.chiropracticresearc...NEWSchiroeduaction.htm
http://www.drgrisanti.com/mddc.htm
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos071.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Chiropractic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic_school

hope these links help answer your question :thumbsup:

Just to quickly paraphrase what I found:

Looking at the links, then (and correct me if I'm wrong), it would appear that post-graduate education is offered to, but not required of, graduates of a DC program.

with most schools, you need a graduate degree before getting a doctorate in chiropractic. some schools don't require it, but it's dying out with the times. that's why i don't trust the older chiropractors. most of them were only educated about chiropractic and knew nothing of what is taught to medical students.

the trend schools are moving towards is b.s. before you're accepted into the college. i think the reason it was the way it was was because chiropractic is a relatively new profession of healthcare and in order to make it more popular in order for it to spread, you need to crank out as many chiropractors as possible (the old world chiropractors)... so the doors were wide open and tuition was chump change. now, the doors are starting to narrow and schools are being more selective and more is being asked of students. i think it's a good thing... it ensures that there are less bad seeds out there and the ones that are already out there will eventually die off.

i need to get to bed. night

 

[Aquaman]

Can you adjust me so that I don't have man boobies?

p.s. I believe in DC's one of my best friends is one and he's help me with some problems

Cheers,
Aquaman

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: bluearyus
do chiropractors (sp?) go through some sort of post-grad training? the equivalent of the 3-5+ years of residency (and fellowship) after medical school for MDs. I've met a few chiropractors that switched to medical school, and man they were really good with their bone anatomy knowledge.

@bctbct
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medline...ncy/article/000686.htm

i always found googling medical terms + 'nlm' works well for getting decent/reliable information or add 'mayo' to your search to get the mayo clinic's take on a particular disease/clinical sign

http://www.chiropracticresearc...NEWSchiroeduaction.htm
http://www.drgrisanti.com/mddc.htm
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos071.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Chiropractic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic_school

hope these links help answer your question :thumbsup:

Just to quickly paraphrase what I found:

Looking at the links, then (and correct me if I'm wrong), it would appear that post-graduate education is offered to, but not required of, graduates of a DC program.

with most schools, you need a graduate degree before getting a doctorate in chiropractic. some schools don't require it, but it's dying out with the times. that's why i don't trust the older chiropractors. most of them were only educated about chiropractic and knew nothing of what is taught to medical students.

the trend schools are moving towards is b.s. before you're accepted into the college. i think the reason it was the way it was was because chiropractic is a relatively new profession of healthcare and in order to make it more popular in order for it to spread, you need to crank out as many chiropractors as possible (the old world chiropractors)... so the doors were wide open and tuition was chump change. now, the doors are starting to narrow and schools are being more selective and more is being asked of students. i think it's a good thing... it ensures that there are less bad seeds out there and the ones that are already out there will eventually die off.

i need to get to bed. night

Ok, so now I'm a bit confused--some DC schools require a graduate degree before earning a doctorate? If this is the case, that'd trump med schools by a wide margin, given that (to the best of my knowledge) they only require a bachelor's before graduation.

Don't get me wrong, it's definitely not unheard of; but for the most part, the only programs I'd know of that required a graduate (in this case, master's) degree before earning a doctorate were Ph.D.s...and that's mostly a technicality, as you inevitably earn your master's along the way (either through comps or the completion of a thesis).

I was mostly referring to the post-doc/post-grad experience, which seems to be required of med students in the form of a residency, but is not yet necessary licensing-wise for a DC.

(Don't take that last statement as a jab against the DC degree; in my own field, post-docs are only required for a small minority of specialties...for everything else, they're just recommended; I just make the point because from what I've heard, most MDs seem to feel that they earn the vast majority of their clinical knowledge during their residencies)

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: bluearyus
do chiropractors (sp?) go through some sort of post-grad training? the equivalent of the 3-5+ years of residency (and fellowship) after medical school for MDs. I've met a few chiropractors that switched to medical school, and man they were really good with their bone anatomy knowledge.

@bctbct
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medline...ncy/article/000686.htm

i always found googling medical terms + 'nlm' works well for getting decent/reliable information or add 'mayo' to your search to get the mayo clinic's take on a particular disease/clinical sign

http://www.chiropracticresearc...NEWSchiroeduaction.htm
http://www.drgrisanti.com/mddc.htm
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos071.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Chiropractic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic_school

hope these links help answer your question :thumbsup:

Just to quickly paraphrase what I found:

Looking at the links, then (and correct me if I'm wrong), it would appear that post-graduate education is offered to, but not required of, graduates of a DC program.

with most schools, you need a graduate degree before getting a doctorate in chiropractic. some schools don't require it, but it's dying out with the times. that's why i don't trust the older chiropractors. most of them were only educated about chiropractic and knew nothing of what is taught to medical students.

the trend schools are moving towards is b.s. before you're accepted into the college. i think the reason it was the way it was was because chiropractic is a relatively new profession of healthcare and in order to make it more popular in order for it to spread, you need to crank out as many chiropractors as possible (the old world chiropractors)... so the doors were wide open and tuition was chump change. now, the doors are starting to narrow and schools are being more selective and more is being asked of students. i think it's a good thing... it ensures that there are less bad seeds out there and the ones that are already out there will eventually die off.

i need to get to bed. night

Ok, so now I'm a bit confused--some DC schools require a graduate degree before earning a doctorate? If this is the case, that'd trump med schools by a wide margin, given that (to the best of my knowledge) they only require a bachelor's before graduation.

Don't get me wrong, it's definitely not unheard of; but for the most part, the only programs I'd know of that required a graduate (in this case, master's) degree before earning a doctorate were Ph.D.s...and that's mostly a technicality, as you inevitably earn your master's along the way (either through comps or the completion of a thesis).

I was mostly referring to the post-doc/post-grad experience, which seems to be required of med students in the form of a residency, but is not yet necessary licensing-wise for a DC.

(Don't take that last statement as a jab against the DC degree; in my own field, post-docs are only required for a small minority of specialties...for everything else, they're just recommended; I just make the point because from what I've heard, most MDs seem to feel that they earn the vast majority of their clinical knowledge during their residencies)

there's no real equivalent to a residency for chiropractic. what happens is, at least at my school, you're an intern at the student clinic, then you become a senior intern at an outpatient clinic owned by the school... everything you do is overseen by a clinician. your documentation and whatnot has to be checked before doing anything. all neck adjustments have to be observed by a practicing dc. you also have to do various blood lab and radiographic analyses and sit in on various case management reviews to discuss what so and so did wrong and what so and so could have done better and what so and so did correctly, etc.

you do the clinical stuff for a year, then you officially get your degree. after that, you're free to do whatever you wish. you can start your own practice, buy an existing practice, work under someone, form a partnership, work under an established doctor, go into a medical outpatient clinic that utilizes chiropractic, whatever. you're free to do as you wish, as long as it stays within the scope of practice for whatever state you're licensed to practice in.

 

[RC159]

I'll try and make this short. My wife had surgery on her back ( fusion, L4, L5 and S1. rods and screws) March of 2006. She felt good for about 2 months and started having problems again. She has severe back pain and severe pain in both legs and feet right on down to her toes. She has to take about 5 hydro's a day just to keep the pain down to around a 4 or 5.
Her back doctor says her back is good and that what she has is joint and muscular arthritis.
She went to a arthritis specialist, he says its not arthritis. A nuerologist took an MRI and said he did not see anything on the MRI. In a week the nuerologist is going to test her nerves in her back, legs and feet. She thinks that the rods and screws are probably the problem. People have told her that a chiropractor might be able to help her. What do you think?

 

[Skacer]

Originally posted by: eits
back, neck = true

knuckles = false

basically, if you have a disc in the area, cracking your own could cause more problems in the future.

knuckles have no disc... it's just synovial fluid joint capsules. cracking your knuckles will actually improve dexterity and motion. you've got a better chance of getting osteoarthritis in your hands if you never crack your knuckles, but not by much.

cracking them too much, however, could potentially cause a problem by causing too much joint laxity. too much = more than what a reasonable person would consider a normal amount of knuckle cracking, basically.

I can crack my own neck very easily. Is that bad? I do it almost once a day. Basically, I can crack my fingers by clenching my fist and I can crack my neck by simply bending it to one side.

Good or bad?

 

[Special K]

I have a question - I'm not sure how easy this would be to answer over the internet, but here it goes:

I saw a chiropractor from 4/06 - 6/07. I was experiencing pain on one side of my lower back, but not the other. It was a dull pain and usually wasn't very severe, although standing for long periods of time seemed to aggravate it. Eventually I went to see a chiropractor about it, and after x-rays and diagnosis, he said that my pelvis was misaligned and that was causing the pain. He showed me the x-rays and I could clearly see the tilt.

He used manual adjustments - I'm not sure what the technical name is, but most of them involved a bench with some sort of hydraulic lift in it. I would lie down on my stomach, and he would raise up a portion of the bench under my waist/hips, and then press down on my lower back as he dropped the portion of the bench back down. The rest of the adjustments he performed himself without any other objects.

Anyway, after several months of these treatments, I found the pain was gone completely. At that point I reduced the frequency of my visits to 1 per week, and never had a problem since. However, in June 2007 I moved away, and have not seen a chiropractor since. I suspect the problem is starting to return, as one side of my lower back is stiff/sore in the morning, and also becomes stiff/sore after I have been sitting in my car for more than about 20 minutes.

My question is - is a tilted/misaligned pelvis something that will just keep coming back without at least a periodic visit and treatment? Is there anything I can do on my own to prevent it from becoming misaligned? I suspect it may be too late already. I should also mention that I frequently lift heavy weights, so it wouldn't at all surprise me that I would need to occasionally receive an adjustment to remain in top shape.

One more question - Do most people pay for chiropractic care out of pocket? I just started my first "real" job, and our insurance only covers 15 visits per calendar year. When I was a grad student before, my insurance didn't cover chiropractic care at all, but the chiropractor had a special payment plan for people whose insurance didn't cover it - he charged a flat fee for a year's worth of care, which included unlimited visits. If you followed the chiropractor's suggested care schedule, the cost worked out to about $22/visit, which is comparable to what an insurance copay would have cost anyway. He was the only chiropractor in town to offer such a plan. All of the other ones were far more expensive. I'm just wondering what sort of pricing structures most chiropractors use, how likely it is for insurance to cover visits, and how most patients pay for the treatments?

thanks

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: JackMDS
It is quite funny.

If you look in the Technical forums, you see that most participants here are very knowledgably and particular in each minutia of their field of interest.

They would know which HSF is better to every particular CPU. Lapping Airflow Case design every little thing.

For some reason when it come to topic like this (which is probably more important than computer hardware), the importance of specific situation drops and you can see that most of the question/concerns are on a level like.
I have A CPU should I use an Big HSF or a small HSF?

I worked with Chiropractors, I saw patients that and where helped, many that just wasted their money (nothing good, or bad, came out of the treatment), and some that got major Sc**w up from the treatment..

The difference is not old or young chiropractors.

There are groups of Chiropractors that know their staff and understand the advantages and the limitations of their practice, and do a lot of Good.

actually, the difference is becoming more about old vs new chiropractors. the newer chiropractors have a much better quality of education than the old ones did and they are better trained. of course, there are greedy bastards in all professions, whether it's dentistry, medicine, mechanical engineering, politics, pharmaceutical, or whatever. people are greedy sometimes.

the problem with the older chiropractors is that they don't know the stuff the newer chiropractors have been taught. it's not just that it's fresher in their minds... it's that the older chiropractors have never been taught stuff because they believed that the medical profession was the devil.

take it from a guy who knows... there's a major difference between old and new chiropractors.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: eits
any more questions?

Can back problems cause jaw popping and sore/stiff jaw/neck/shoulders/shoulderblades/ribs?

I swear, from my hips on up is constant pain and my shoulder blades make god awful crunchy/poppy/fluidy noises when I roll my shoulders.

yes... except for the jaw popping thing. that's more of a joint problem in your jaw caused by muscles or just the way your bones grew. chiropractors can help that feel better, too. there are manipulations and muscle resease techniques for tmj issues.

the shoulder thing is an easy fix... sounds like a bursitis. ice, mobilization, rubbing out adhesions, muscle release, ultrasound therapy, and spinal adjustment. should be about 2-3x/wk for a week or two and you'll be back to normal.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Skacer

Originally posted by: eits
back, neck = true

knuckles = false

basically, if you have a disc in the area, cracking your own could cause more problems in the future.

knuckles have no disc... it's just synovial fluid joint capsules. cracking your knuckles will actually improve dexterity and motion. you've got a better chance of getting osteoarthritis in your hands if you never crack your knuckles, but not by much.

cracking them too much, however, could potentially cause a problem by causing too much joint laxity. too much = more than what a reasonable person would consider a normal amount of knuckle cracking, basically.

I can crack my own neck very easily. Is that bad? I do it almost once a day. Basically, I can crack my fingers by clenching my fist and I can crack my neck by simply bending it to one side.

Good or bad?

bending your head without the use of your hands = not bad... but not good either. it's really nothing. it's just air escaping from your facet capsules.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: RC159
I'll try and make this short. My wife had surgery on her back ( fusion, L4, L5 and S1. rods and screws) March of 2006. She felt good for about 2 months and started having problems again. She has severe back pain and severe pain in both legs and feet right on down to her toes. She has to take about 5 hydro's a day just to keep the pain down to around a 4 or 5.
Her back doctor says her back is good and that what she has is joint and muscular arthritis.
She went to a arthritis specialist, he says its not arthritis. A nuerologist took an MRI and said he did not see anything on the MRI. In a week the nuerologist is going to test her nerves in her back, legs and feet. She thinks that the rods and screws are probably the problem. People have told her that a chiropractor might be able to help her. What do you think?

absolutely. tell her to ask her neurologist and her arthritis specialist for a chiropractic referal.

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: eits

if the injury is aggrivated by walking around normally without painkillers, what makes you think that walking around normally WITH painkillers HELPS the injury heal?

Because after weeks of CP treatment I felt no better, but after 1 trip to the doctor and meds I returned to normal.

I am not sayng that CPs dont work for certain things, but in my case they did not.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Special K
I have a question - I'm not sure how easy this would be to answer over the internet, but here it goes:

I saw a chiropractor from 4/06 - 6/07. I was experiencing pain on one side of my lower back, but not the other. It was a dull pain and usually wasn't very severe, although standing for long periods of time seemed to aggravate it. Eventually I went to see a chiropractor about it, and after x-rays and diagnosis, he said that my pelvis was misaligned and that was causing the pain. He showed me the x-rays and I could clearly see the tilt.

He used manual adjustments - I'm not sure what the technical name is, but most of them involved a bench with some sort of hydraulic lift in it. I would lie down on my stomach, and he would raise up a portion of the bench under my waist/hips, and then press down on my lower back as he dropped the portion of the bench back down. The rest of the adjustments he performed himself without any other objects.

Anyway, after several months of these treatments, I found the pain was gone completely. At that point I reduced the frequency of my visits to 1 per week, and never had a problem since. However, in June 2007 I moved away, and have not seen a chiropractor since. I suspect the problem is starting to return, as one side of my lower back is stiff/sore in the morning, and also becomes stiff/sore after I have been sitting in my car for more than about 20 minutes.

My question is - is a tilted/misaligned pelvis something that will just keep coming back without at least a periodic visit and treatment? Is there anything I can do on my own to prevent it from becoming misaligned? I suspect it may be too late already. I should also mention that I frequently lift heavy weights, so it wouldn't at all surprise me that I would need to occasionally receive an adjustment to remain in top shape.

One more question - Do most people pay for chiropractic care out of pocket? I just started my first "real" job, and our insurance only covers 15 visits per calendar year. When I was a grad student before, my insurance didn't cover chiropractic care at all, but the chiropractor had a special payment plan for people whose insurance didn't cover it - he charged a flat fee for a year's worth of care, which included unlimited visits. If you followed the chiropractor's suggested care schedule, the cost worked out to about $22/visit, which is comparable to what an insurance copay would have cost anyway. He was the only chiropractor in town to offer such a plan. All of the other ones were far more expensive. I'm just wondering what sort of pricing structures most chiropractors use, how likely it is for insurance to cover visits, and how most patients pay for the treatments?

thanks

that's called a thompson drop table. it sounds like a combination of techniques he was using, which is common among chiropractors... most chiropractors mix and match techniques to make up their own style of adjusting.

make sure that you don't wear a wallet in your back pocket. lots of times, unlevel pelvises are due to wearing a wallet in your back pocket. that will definitely decrease the number of visits you'll have, so it'll save you some money.

tons of people pay out of pocket. as i mentioned in another post, most patients who come to a chiropractor have pretty much tried everything else without any luck. all test results will come back normal and various medical doctors will be stumped... so, they'll end up prescribing pain meds or refer them to a psychiatrist or therapist because they think that it's just all in their head and the pain isn't really there. whenever they try chiropractic as a last result, they realize that it actually works and they feel betrayed because no one told them about it. because of that, sometimes patients will come in and get treatments and their insurance either won't cover their visit or they will run out of covered visits... either way, they will pay out of pocket because it works and allows for proper healing.

funny coincidence: the clinic i intern at charges $22/visit without insurance.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: eits

if the injury is aggrivated by walking around normally without painkillers, what makes you think that walking around normally WITH painkillers HELPS the injury heal?

Because after weeks of CP treatment I felt no better, but after 1 trip to the doctor and meds I returned to normal.

I am not sayng that CPs dont work for certain things, but in my case they did not.

maybe you just don't understand the physiology...

here's an analogy:

you stand in a white room with a paintbrush with red paint on it. you walk to a wall and you start stroking red paint all over the wall. now the wall is ruined and it keeps getting worse with every stroke. the only way it stops getting worse is if you start slowing down the strokes or quit the strokes. however, what you've decided to do is keep stroking red paint on that one wall, but turn your head so that you could see the other 3 walls, which are still white without any red paint so that, from your perspective, the room is back to normal.

pain is also a habitual thing. after a while, you don't notice it if it doesn't change. your brain takes the information and incorporates it as being normal. this goes back to my explanation back at page 3 or 4 or something about the tight forearm muscle that no one feels as painful until it's pointed out and/or fixed.

 

[Felisity]

Just want to say thanks eits, your knowledge of schools and techniques has helped me out a lot. Turns out my current chiropractor attended National, and he uses a Thompson table, and diversified technique along with an activator. I explained how I wanted to have more of a traditional adjustment to my neck and back (including side posture) and less activator, because I felt like the activator was not helping much. He was very gracious and understanding - and told me to please anytime let him know if I feel his actions are or are not working.

It was a great visit and I have some relief from my headache now. :thumbsup:

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Kaelyn
Just want to say thanks eits, your knowledge of schools and techniques has helped me out a lot. Turns out my current chiropractor attended National, and he uses a Thompson table, and diversified technique along with an activator. I explained how I wanted to have more of a traditional adjustment to my neck and back (including side posture) and less activator, because I felt like the activator was not helping much. He was very gracious and understanding - and told me to please anytime let him know if I feel his actions are or are not working.

It was a great visit and I have some relief from my headache now. :thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

anytime i can help, let me know.

 

[eits]

resurrecting this thread... bring it on.

no trolling, please. just questions that i can help answer. help me understand why you're against chiropractic.

 

[Turin39789]

they smell

 

[manlymatt83]

STROKE!