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Codewiz

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Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: KarmaPolice
how long does wine last after you open the bottle.

I have opened bottles that last more than a month. I own part of a vineyard out of Oregon and made my own wine for several years (Pinot Gris and Pinot Noir mostly, but do a lot of "country" wines like Blackberry, Blueberry, etc. as well). As part of the process, we blind tested several preservation methods:

1) Nitrogen purging. This purges the headspace of a bottle with nitrogen in order to reduce the interaction of oxygen with the wine.

2) "Vacuum" methods. This is similar in purpose to the nitrogen purpose. All just try to reduce the amount of oxygen that interacts with the wine.

3) Reducing the headspace using creative methods. This includes filling the wine with something to increase the volume (like marbles... seriously) or simply using a smaller bottle.

I don't want to waste time and get into all of the details, but the winner by a large margin was #3. It makes sense, really; you're just trying to reduce the headspace and thus the amount of oxygen available to the wine, so it follows that increasing the volume of the wine or decreasing the volume of the container will accomplish that. Simply pour a fresh bottle into two half bottles and recork. That's it. Serve out of one of the half bottles and you'll be fine for a few days. If you want to have that half bottle last for a while, you could even split it among two quarter bottles, but that's a bit too much work. Refrigeration will do add a few days of life to the half bottle.

I should note that, in my experience, the vacuum methods and nitrogen purging methods do almost nothing whatsoever in terms of preservation. In almost all cases there was a marked difference between the fresh bottle and the preserved bottle.

Here is an easy method for what you describe.

Any clean 2 liter or plastic bottle. Pour the wine in and squeeze the bottle until the wine is at the top and add the cap. No air in the bottle.
 

Descartes

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Originally posted by: Codewiz
Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: KarmaPolice
how long does wine last after you open the bottle.

I have opened bottles that last more than a month. I own part of a vineyard out of Oregon and made my own wine for several years (Pinot Gris and Pinot Noir mostly, but do a lot of "country" wines like Blackberry, Blueberry, etc. as well). As part of the process, we blind tested several preservation methods:

1) Nitrogen purging. This purges the headspace of a bottle with nitrogen in order to reduce the interaction of oxygen with the wine.

2) "Vacuum" methods. This is similar in purpose to the nitrogen purpose. All just try to reduce the amount of oxygen that interacts with the wine.

3) Reducing the headspace using creative methods. This includes filling the wine with something to increase the volume (like marbles... seriously) or simply using a smaller bottle.

I don't want to waste time and get into all of the details, but the winner by a large margin was #3. It makes sense, really; you're just trying to reduce the headspace and thus the amount of oxygen available to the wine, so it follows that increasing the volume of the wine or decreasing the volume of the container will accomplish that. Simply pour a fresh bottle into two half bottles and recork. That's it. Serve out of one of the half bottles and you'll be fine for a few days. If you want to have that half bottle last for a while, you could even split it among two quarter bottles, but that's a bit too much work. Refrigeration will do add a few days of life to the half bottle.

I should note that, in my experience, the vacuum methods and nitrogen purging methods do almost nothing whatsoever in terms of preservation. In almost all cases there was a marked difference between the fresh bottle and the preserved bottle.

Here is an easy method for what you describe.

Any clean 2 liter or plastic bottle. Pour the wine in and squeeze the bottle until the wine is at the top and add the cap. No air in the bottle.

Sounds good to me. You could also use a cleaned bag from an old wine-in-a-box.
 

jrenz

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Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: KarmaPolice
how long does wine last after you open the bottle.

White wines last maybe 2 or 3 days if you refrigerate. Red wines, about 10. If left out on the counter, white wines will go bad within a day, and red will last maybe a couple before they start fermenting.

Edit: Again, this is for non-fortified. Wines like sherry and port stay good for just about forever.

Say what? That's almost an impossibility for a lot of reasons:

1) Most wines you're finding are probably filtered. This means that the lees (which contains yeast) upon which the wine sat for some time was filtered out.

2) Almost all red wines are fermented dry. There comes a point where two things happen:
2a) The available sugars to the yeast are exhausted. This doesn't always happen, so sometimes there is a very, very tiny amount of sugar still lefty in the wine. Even so, these wines are still considered dry.
2b) The yeast "die." Yeast have a lifetime governed by a lot of factors, including nutrition (namely nitrogen content from either the grapes (which is contingent upon the soil in which the grapes were grown), temperature of the fermentation, etc.). An "arrested fermentation" as they call it can be a large problem, but there's generally a point where they arrest naturally, and at this point there is usually very little residual sugar and thus the wine is dry.

So, the possibility of a wine fermenting in the bottle is very slight. You're almost certainly not going to have this happen in any commercial bottles. If that happened, you'd have corks popping off all over the place. This is still an occurrence for some sparkling wines for obvious reasons, but definitely not still wines.

You're right, I misspoke.. I meant, before they start oxidizing.
 

KarmaPolice

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well i went to the store today and picked up a wine. After wandering the isles for a while a worker came up and asked me what I was looking for. Told him i was a complete noob and was more lost then looking. I told him I would prob do best with something sweet and wasn't too strong.

He told me to get a bottle of this red wine called Bully Hill Love my Goat.

Went online...people seem to like it :?
 

aCynic2

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Go to wine.com. They do or used to have a section of 90+ point wines for < $20.

My fav is Greg Norman Limestone coast Cab/Merlot. It runs about $14 a bottle.

NOTE: If you live in a state the prohibits shipping alcohol to residential addresses, choose California as your state,just so you can see what is available (you'll then just need to find it in the store).
 

Descartes

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Originally posted by: KarmaPolice
well i went to the store today and picked up a wine. After wandering the isles for a while a worker came up and asked me what I was looking for. Told him i was a complete noob and was more lost then looking. I told him I would prob do best with something sweet and wasn't too strong.

He told me to get a bottle of this red wine called Bully Hill Love my Goat.

Went online...people seem to like it :?

Not from what I can tell, but if you like it that's what matters. Let us know what you think.

A bit of advice though: Don't ask for a red wine that's sweet and "not too strong." Your point is to broaden your tastes, no? Most people say they want a sweet wine, when in fact it's something completely different. If you say you want sweet they're going to point you to some pretty nasty examples of wine, imo.
 

KarmaPolice

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Had a friend over and we finished the bottle last night. I could get it down without making a weird face so thats a start....didn't taste too bad actually. I might go out today and buy a new bottle. I ask again...any recommendations in the 6-10 price range? The 7 dollar bottle is a good price .

 

KarmaPolice

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Got another bottle of wine last night.

Yellow Tail Shiraz.

I think I am going to buy a box tonight...at this bottle rate I will go broke.
 

Coquito

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Try some Valpolicella if you're a little hesitant in getting into the really big wines right away. It's not just crap table wine, but if the store only sells Bolla, get out.

I personally love big, spicy zinfandels. Washes down a fat steak like nothing else.

They're not on right now, but Beaujolais Nouveau is a nice, fresh & fruity red that is popular with everyone around Thanksgiving.

I'm not big on whites at all, but soave is probably the lightest stuff that I've had.


 
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