Chorus of Islamic followers freak out about Pope's comments

[alchemize]

Pope dares to analyze Islam and Muhammed, concludes that "violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul."

Expect churches to be burned to prove that followers of Islam absolutely are not violent! Fatwa issuing a death warrant coming from Iran soon?

One of many stories

Too funny - the pope's official response should be "suck it".

 

[Forsythe]

The summary is not what they're mad about.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

Yeah, I was about to post this as well... here's another link:
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlene...2_RTRUKOC_0_US-RELIGION-POPE-ISLAM.xml

I hope that Rome finally takes a stand, and the rest of Christianity follows, including the Orthodox and the Protestants... it's about time to let barbarians know that the West is tired of their lack of respect for basic human values.

 

[Aisengard]

Islam insults everyone, the Pope insults Islam back, Islam complains of intolerance.

What else is new?

 

[Rainsford]

Wow, so there are protests by Muslims because the pope suggested that Islam is a terrible religion...what a shocker! He's as stupid as the rest of you dumbasses..."Islam" does not freak out, or insult people, or terrorize the west, SOME Muslims do, and turning around and lumping them all together under the banner of things their religion supposedly does is almost certainly going to piss off the more moderate Muslims. If the Muslims protesting haven't done anything "evil and inhuman", they have every right to be angry.

I swear, it's like you guys are TRYING to start a holy war here or something...what the hell is wrong with you?

 

[marvdmartian]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Wow, so there are protests by Muslims because the pope suggested that Islam is a terrible religion...what a shocker! He's as stupid as the rest of you dumbasses..."Islam" does not freak out, or insult people, or terrorize the west, SOME Muslims do, and turning around and lumping them all together under the banner of things their religion supposedly does is almost certainly going to piss off the more moderate Muslims. If the Muslims protesting haven't done anything "evil and inhuman", they have every right to be angry.

I swear, it's like you guys are TRYING to start a holy war here or something...what the hell is wrong with you?

Yeah! We should all be as tolerant as the Islamics that shout, "Death to ALL infidels!!!" :roll:

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Wow, so there are protests by Muslims because the pope suggested that Islam is a terrible religion...what a shocker! He's as stupid as the rest of you dumbasses..."Islam" does not freak out, or insult people, or terrorize the west, SOME Muslims do, and turning around and lumping them all together under the banner of things their religion supposedly does is almost certainly going to piss off the more moderate Muslims. If the Muslims protesting haven't done anything "evil and inhuman", they have every right to be angry.

I swear, it's like you guys are TRYING to start a holy war here or something...what the hell is wrong with you?

Sorry Rainsford, but there are protests coming from the majoritiy of Islamic countries, mosques, groups, etc. Go read the news...

It's no different than the "cartoon outrage".

Just because every cell in your body isn't cancerous doesn't mean you don't have cancer.

I did edit the title however so as not to offend your delicate sensibilities, see I'm a uniter not a divider

 

[clarkmo]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Wow, so there are protests by Muslims because the pope suggested that Islam is a terrible religion...what a shocker! He's as stupid as the rest of you dumbasses..."Islam" does not freak out, or insult people, or terrorize the west, SOME Muslims do, and turning around and lumping them all together under the banner of things their religion supposedly does is almost certainly going to piss off the more moderate Muslims. If the Muslims protesting haven't done anything "evil and inhuman", they have every right to be angry.

I swear, it's like you guys are TRYING to start a holy war here or something...what the hell is wrong with you?

Actually, your reaction is the same as the protests from Islamic leaders so far. He never suggested Islam is a terrible religion, But , because he quoted a text containing the observations of an ancient Byzantine emperor, his entire message is ignored. Muslim leaders over react to 1 quote. Sorry, but I'm just so tired of their intolerance and whining. They are just a bunch of big babies, looking to inflame their masses. The holy war you refer to has been the crux of the problems in the middle east and it's Muslim leaders who incite it. What are you thinking? Everyone should just nury their heads in the sabd and ignore the Taliban, Al Qaeda, et al?
And as I keenly observed a long time ago. More muslims are dying at the hands of other Muslims, in the middle east, than any other religion. Oh, what to decide, shiite or sunni. I guess it depends on who has the machete.
And then their is Africa. Genocide, anyone?
I think the holy war has already started. And Islam is conducting it. Or factions of Islam. But, considering the wholesale slaughter, I don't think it matters which faction or what sensitivity you offend. I'll say it's a sick religion, even if the pope won't.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

Until the day comes when I see large masses of Muslims going in the streets, organizing protests, chanting "We are not terrorists, we don't want terrorists in our midsts, either", and until I see Muslim elites - especially religious figures with heavy followings and instantly recognizable names in the Arab/Muslim world - going on record with loud, outspoken denounciations of the jihadists, I will continue to consider this civilisation as a dangerous manifestation of religious extremism, and would urge everyone in the West to maintain relations to a minimum.

I am sick and tired of all the whiners who claim Islam is a peaceful religion. It badly needs reform and secularization, and as time goes by I am more and more concerned that an open war is unavoidable between "us" and "them".

 

[Genx87]

Be nice if these leaders would protest terrorism, but what would that gain them?

 

[athithi]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Wow, so there are protests by Muslims because the pope suggested that Islam is a terrible religion...what a shocker! He's as stupid as the rest of you dumbasses..."Islam" does not freak out, or insult people, or terrorize the west, SOME Muslims do, and turning around and lumping them all together under the banner of things their religion supposedly does is almost certainly going to piss off the more moderate Muslims. If the Muslims protesting haven't done anything "evil and inhuman", they have every right to be angry.

I swear, it's like you guys are TRYING to start a holy war here or something...what the hell is wrong with you?

How come there are no protests by Muslims when other Muslims fvck up Islam? You let your house rot and then get pissed when your neighbour points it out?

Nevertheless, calling Christians to make a stance against Islam is about as ridiculous as it gets. Islam needs to be confronted with rationalism and pragmatism, not an equal but different religious belief. The whole point is to get Islam to modernize, not get into a medieval war with it - that would only end up making both religions barbaric.

 

[Dimkaumd]

so...it is not okay to draw cartoons of the prophet mohammed, but burning images of the pope is fine? I just want to get it straight

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Pope dares to analyze Islam and Muhammed, concludes that "violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul."

Expect churches to be burned to prove that followers of Islam absolutely are not violent! Fatwa issuing a death warrant coming from Iran soon?

One of many stories

Too funny - the pope's official response should be "suck it".

That's right, we should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: alchemize
Pope dares to analyze Islam and Muhammed, concludes that "violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul."

Expect churches to be burned to prove that followers of Islam absolutely are not violent! Fatwa issuing a death warrant coming from Iran soon?

One of many stories

Too funny - the pope's official response should be "suck it".

That's right, we should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity!

Should we? Maybe you can convince the Pope to do that, but that won't be an easy sell. Genx got it right. Muslims should be condemning the killing that is being done in the name of their religion, but they won't. I'll be inclined to be more sympathetic when they get as upset about car bombings as they are about the Pope's speech

 

[DealMonkey]

Do Americans condemn the killing done in our name by our government? You think the world is going to be sympathetic to us considering all of the innocent civilians, innocent Muslim civilians, who die by our laser-guided 500 pound smart bombs?

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Dimkaumd
so...it is not okay to draw cartoons of the prophet mohammed, but burning images of the pope is fine? I just want to get it straight

Yes.

Violence as a response to criticism and humor that puts Islam in a bad light, is at the very least, tacitly supported by a surprisingly large portion of Muslims.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Do Americans condemn the killing done in our name by our government? You think the world is going to be sympathetic to us considering all of the innocent civilians, innocent Muslim civilians, who die by our laser-guided 500 pound smart bombs?

did you determine where those smart bombs are being guided to?

Why are there innocent Muslim civilians being killed by the bombs?

for the most part, the collateral damage against civilians is avoided, when mistakes happen, apologies & compenstation usually follow.

This does not happen from the other side.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Do Americans condemn the killing done in our name by our government? You think the world is going to be sympathetic to us considering all of the innocent civilians, innocent Muslim civilians, who die by our laser-guided 500 pound smart bombs?

I would say a reasonably large segment of the population does, yes. A much larger population of this message board does

And our government also issues apologies, compensates victims, and reviews military tactics and doctrine when that occurs. If that doesn't matter, perhaps we should save a lot of money and revert back to "dumb bombs", carpet bombing, heavy artillery, etc.

 

[Jmman]

Does anyone else feel the strange desire to turn the entire ME into a parking lot after watching these idiots burn in effigy everyone who they disagree with? :evil:

 

[AnitaPeterson]

A few days ago, I listened to a radio interview of an Islamic scholar. He kept saying that once the West withdraws its presence from the Muslim world, all the violence would cease. As a journalist myself, I wanted to scream in frustration at the stupidity of the interviewer, who never tried even once to ask a couple of simple questions like "what about the threats against the existence of the State of Israel?" and "how is your demand for the West to completely withdraw from Muslim affairs compatible with the spread of Islam throughout the world, leading to events like those we've been seeing recently in various sub-Saharan African regions?"

 

[Cutterhead]

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
Until the day comes when I see large masses of Muslims going in the streets, organizing protests, chanting "We are not terrorists, we don't want terrorists in our midsts, either", and until I see Muslim elites - especially religious figures with heavy followings and instantly recognizable names in the Arab/Muslim world - going on record with loud, outspoken denounciations of the jihadists, I will continue to consider this civilisation as a dangerous manifestation of religious extremism, and would urge everyone in the West to maintain relations to a minimum.

I am sick and tired of all the whiners who claim Islam is a peaceful religion. It badly needs reform and secularization, and as time goes by I am more and more concerned that an open war is unavoidable between "us" and "them".

Unfortunately, I fear you could not be any more correct.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
A few days ago, I listened to a radio interview of an Islamic scholar. He kept saying that once the West withdraws its presence from the Muslim world, all the violence would cease. As a journalist myself, I wanted to scream in frustration at the stupidity of the interviewer, who never tried even once to ask a couple of simple questions like "what about the threats against the existence of the State of Israel?" and "how is your demand for the West to completely withdraw from Muslim affairs compatible with the spread of Islam throughout the world, leading to events like those we've been seeing recently in various sub-Saharan African regions?"

Or, "Why would the warring between Sunnis and Shiites in Iraq stop if America and Britain left the country?"

Or, "What did the Iran/Iraq war have to do with the West?" (Okay, you could argue that the West kept both sides equalized by feeding munitions, but we didn't tell them to go to war.)

Or, "How did the West factor into Iraq's invasion of Kuwait and threats against doing the same to Saudi Arabia?"

Or, "Are the attacks on Indian civilians by Islamic extremists caused by the West as well?"

 

[AnitaPeterson]

Excellent points, yllus!

I swear, I think the world needs the equivalent of another Berlin Wall...

 

[Vertigo0176]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Do Americans condemn the killing done in our name by our government? You think the world is going to be sympathetic to us considering all of the innocent civilians, innocent Muslim civilians, who die by our laser-guided 500 pound smart bombs?

More innocent Muslim civilians die by indiscriminate homicide bombers in the name of jihad. Also the last time I checked, the Pope was from Germany.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Vertigo0176

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Do Americans condemn the killing done in our name by our government? You think the world is going to be sympathetic to us considering all of the innocent civilians, innocent Muslim civilians, who die by our laser-guided 500 pound smart bombs?

More innocent Muslim civilians die by indiscriminate homicide bombers in the name of jihad. Also the last time I checked, the Pope was from Germany.

Link please.

And who cares where the pope is from? You obviously missed my point - an American demanding the Muslim world apologize for terrorists when America doesn't apologize for the tens of thousands of innocent muslims killed during the prosecution of the latest two wars.