Chris Wallace gets schooled on gun control

[Jhhnn]

I'm kind of wondering who they expect to pay for all of this extra school security that people are proposing.

As it is, it already takes three rounds of voting to get a school budget passed in my town. I can only imagine what the "No" voters would think of a half million dollar property tax increase to pay for metal detectors and armed security guards.

Militarization of public life means moar freedom. Everybody knows this. Moar firepower is the answer, always.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm kind of wondering who they expect to pay for all of this extra school security that people are proposing.

As it is, it already takes three rounds of voting to get a school budget passed in my town. I can only imagine what the "No" voters would think of a half million dollar property tax increase to pay for metal detectors and armed security guards.

Yes it’s weird that the anti-tax crusaders don’t seem to realize that this will on average cost hundreds of thousands per year per school.

Buy more books? NO WAY, COMMIE.

Spend hundreds of thousands on likely useless security? SOUNDS GREAT.

 

[ultimatebob]

Militarization of public life means moar freedom. Everybody knows this. Moar firepower is the answer, always.

The weird thing is that the people with the "VOTE NO ON HIGHER SCHOOL TAXES!" signs are the same people with the "TRUMP: MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN" signs in my neighborhood. If the Trumpster supports adding armed guards to schools, he's going to lose the ultra fiscal conservatives in his party.

 

[nutxo]

The amount of retard in this thread is astounding. I would try to reply to each idiotic and outright ignorant statement but it would take hours.

The guns are just tools.

 

[nickqt]

The amount of retard in this thread is astounding. I would try to reply to each idiotic and outright ignorant statement but it would take hours.

The guns are just tools.

A shovel and a backhoe both dig. It doesn't matter which one lay people use when digging a fire pit in their back yard.

 

[umbrella39]

It's fun to watch retards pretend that we have the only crazy people in the world! It's even more fun to watch retards get schooled by people like me who carry who clearly acknowledge that easy access to certain killing machines needs to be restricted and fuck you and your feels about the 2A that I, too, enjoy every day which isn't being infringed by restrictions... Tool indeed... Retards don't own the 2A no matter how much they think they do...

 

[rommelrommel]

Explain Canada Japan England Australia Scotland Germany.

Canada has around 15-18 million guns. Norway, France, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Finland, have similar numbers of guns per capita. It’s clearly not the mere presence of firearms.

 

[cmdrdredd]

The weird thing is that the people with the "VOTE NO ON HIGHER SCHOOL TAXES!" signs are the same people with the "TRUMP: MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN" signs in my neighborhood. If the Trumpster supports adding armed guards to schools, he's going to lose the ultra fiscal conservatives in his party.

There are people who would volunteer and do it for free in many areas.

 

[soundforbjt]

There are people who would volunteer and do it for free in many areas.

They’re willing to pay for their own training?

 

[jackstar7]

There are people who would volunteer and do it for free in many areas.

And I'd politely say "No thanks" to people who want to personally be twitchy around my kids with their guns. They can fuck off back to their little internet militias and youtube comment sections.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

The weird thing is that the people with the "VOTE NO ON HIGHER SCHOOL TAXES!" signs are the same people with the "TRUMP: MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN" signs in my neighborhood. If the Trumpster supports adding armed guards to schools, he's going to lose the ultra fiscal conservatives in his party.

Pics or it's bullshit. Seriously where the hell are you seeing Trump signs in neighborhoods anymore? Time machine much?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

It's fun to watch retards pretend that we have the only crazy people in the world! It's even more fun to watch retards get schooled by people like me who carry who clearly acknowledge that easy access to certain killing machines needs to be restricted and fuck you and your feels about the 2A that I, too, enjoy every day which isn't being infringed by restrictions... Tool indeed... Retards don't own the 2A no matter how much they think they do...

Well I own the 1st Amendment, so STFU.

Just kidding, even though we disagree the 1st Amendment still covers you. As does the 2nd. You can pretend it doesn't, maybe you can even argue about it, but it just doesn't make it so until and unless the proper legislation is passed and then backed up by the Courts.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

There are people who would volunteer and do it for free in many areas.

There are 12 school districts in Arkansas that already have concealed permit carriers in schools. Several in Texas and Idaho and new ones already being voted on and/or approved in other states. It's a done deal in many red states.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

They’re willing to pay for their own training?

Most of them already have their carry licenses. There's over 16,000,000 concealed carry permits in the United States. Remember that in most places cops don't need a carry permit at all.
https://www.gunstocarry.com/concealed-carry-statistics/

 

[urvile]

Do you think that Australia has even a remotely similar nature of criminal underworld? How was Australia's mob problem in the 20s thru 70s? Was that pretty similar to the USA so that we could maybe draw a parallel there? No?

The calabrian mafia* is pretty bad. They were blowing people up with car bombs etc. I fail to see what this has to do with gun ownership though. Yes criminals still have access to guns here but they always have and always will. They use them on each other anyway. Low level criminals cannot get firearms. The average citizen can still own as many firearms as they like just not semi automatics. People seem to miss that distinction.

*I watched a documentary (actually it was investigative journalism but whatever) on them and the hardcore dudes actually came from calabria to establish their operations in aus. There was this one guy who was a green grocer and looked like your typical middle aged dad. He was one of their most feared enforcers in aus. He was the primary suspect in multiple murders and never convicted of any crime. Smart and extremely violent. Scary dude.

 

[Alpha One Seven]

I see the OP replying to a lot of people that are not worth replying to, I know because I already must have put them on the ignore list.
I'd do the same if I were you, they really are not worthy of taking time to read their comments, let alone reply to.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

I see the OP replying to a lot of people that are not worth replying to, I know because I already must have put them on the ignore list.
I'd do the same if I were you, they really are not worthy of taking time to read their comments, let alone reply to.

Your response to people saying things you don't like is to put them on an ignore list on an internet forum??? Stop being scared by words and get back in the fight, soldier!

 

[Pipeline 1010]

They’re willing to pay for their own training?

Many law enforcement or self defense trainers will train teachers for free. If not, I will accept a tax increase to train teachers to better keep my kids safe. Or we could even redirect current tax money from administrators to teachers. I'm great with that.

 

[Alpha One Seven]

Your response to people saying things you don't like is to put them on an ignore list on an internet forum??? Stop being scared by words and get back in the fight, soldier!

LOL I only fight with intelligent people capable of making good points and engaging in civil debate, not ignorant trolls.

 

[Alpha One Seven]

Many law enforcement or self defense trainers will train teachers for free. If not, I will accept a tax increase to train teachers to better keep my kids safe. Or we could even redirect current tax money from administrators to teachers. I'm great with that.

Yep, I will personally pay for any teachers at the schools my kids go to to train in the proper use of fire arms. I know a lot of other parents that would do the same.

 

[urvile]

LOL I only fight with intelligent people capable of making good points and engaging in civil debate, not ignorant trolls.

I think you just summed up not only this forum but also the internet.

 

[darkswordsman17]

The weird thing is that the people with the "VOTE NO ON HIGHER SCHOOL TAXES!" signs are the same people with the "TRUMP: MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN" signs in my neighborhood. If the Trumpster supports adding armed guards to schools, he's going to lose the ultra fiscal conservatives in his party.

No he won't, because those people want public schools to fail (they might claim they don't and might even seriously believe it, but their actions are leading to that; and many of them are massively more in favor of private schools - nevermind how few of them would float if they hadn't been allowed to start taking advantage of the same stuff that public schools do - including funding). They're licking their lips at possibly adding more financial burden for already barely treading water schools. This lets them keep believing that "gang banger" bullshit that they tried to basically say public schools are overrun by that led to so much of their other nonsense (to be fair, they were able to get Democrats on board back when Democrats were trying to keep a unified centrist America thinking that was the best path while the Republicans started going insane on just about every topic). "See! See? We were right all along! Its the drugs and video games and porn and violent and sexualized movies and TV! And the glorification of thuggery by rap! Rap is now even more mainstream and see how its led to these school shooters!"

Canada has around 15-18 million guns. Norway, France, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Finland, have similar numbers of guns per capita. It’s clearly not the mere presence of firearms.

No shit. Its that people there take a massively more reasonable and rational approach to guns. They don't have a fucking political group intentionally stirring up political shit to sell more guns. That they sell by literally fetishizing them to fucking idiots that they have brainwashed by trying to keep all research on gun violence clamped down on and intentionally spread FUD to in order to get them whipped up so they buy more fucking guns that they can then use to threaten anyone who questions them.

Oh, and FYI the NRA and defense companies (they overlap a lot, the NRA is basically just the consumer arm of the defense industry, who lived up to Eisenhower's warnings) are also responsible for providing a lot of the guns causing problems elsewhere (or working to prevent things being done about them in places where they are such a problem). They don't give a fuck about anything but making money for themselves. It is as simple as that.

Get rid of the NRA (literally just the NRA and their propaganda and stop giving the psychopaths that the NRA lets lead and influence others), and you'll see a huuuuuuge change in America. The NRA is a big reason why Republicans have lost their goddamned minds, as it is the method that a lot of the batshit conspiracy garbage ended up actually getting to public representatives (and how many of the most batshit people ended up in government). It is a perfect example of what allowing lobbying and monetary influence on government leads to. This does assume that by "get rid of the NRA" you basically ban defense contractors from peddling their shit to anyone other than outright military (and even then, go to serious lengths to limit their foreign influence as well; no that won't solve issues elsewhere as Russia/China/others will happily fill in the gap, but at least we can stop being the reason for so much shit), so that they don't just recreated the NRA. Yes, wishful thinking, but we have been able to at times restore sanity to our country, so we can possibly do so again.

 

[darkswordsman17]

There are people who would volunteer and do it for free in many areas.

And those are people I wouldn't trust to do much of anything. They tend to be dipshits, like Officer Shootmyselfinthelegintheclassroom an Mr Gunrange Letsgivea9yearoldanuzi.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

And those are people I wouldn't trust to do much of anything. They tend to be dipshits, like Officer Shootmyselfinthelegintheclassroom an Mr Gunrange Letsgivea9yearoldanuzi.

Every time you scratch a progressive a totalitarian fascist bleeds.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Yep, I will personally pay for any teachers at the schools my kids go to to train in the proper use of fire arms. I know a lot of other parents that would do the same.

The money is already there. We already spend more per student than almost any nation on Earth. Yet we have crap results because we spend so much on administration. Out of one side of our forked tongue, we say that teachers are heroes and awesome and sacrificial and amazing and should get more money. Out of the other side of our forked tongue, we argue that teachers fucking suck and cannot be trusted to teach right without 10 layers of highly paid administration above them. I think a minor reduction in administration can pay for teachers to become very highly trained in active shooting incidents and to protect my boys.