Christian Terrorism vs. Islamic Terrorism

[mizzou]

Not sure if this is a flame war starter, I hope it isn't, but it is interesting in light of the mall attack in Africa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism


vs


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism


What is the world doing to stem organized violence from one of the most popular religions?

I understand Christian's don't have clean hands as well, but it does appear that militant Christian group incidents have been much much smaller in proportion.

 

[Greenman]

So what's the point here? Are we comparing body counts to see who has the higher score? Or are we looking to prove that one religion isn't as violent as the other? It's all going to depend on how far back you go, and how you label the players.

My concern is with what's going on right now, and right now, the Muslims are way ahead on points.

 

[Anarchist420]

There has never really been much Christian Terrorism as there has only been Terrorism by the State. You're more like to die from overheating than you are to be killed in what the State officially calls terrorist attacks.

One could argue that Church of Rome has been terrorist historically, but it's not really Christian. It suppressed Protestantism for ~1300 years. Protestants are Jewish ethnically, because they were the original Judeo-Christians.

Remarks deleted. And so am I. That is, we can't do anything on a large scale.

No. Keep your bigoted remarks to yourself.
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[Pray To Jesus]

Christians are not supposed to be terrorists according to the Bible. Those that do so are doing it against Jesus's teachings.

Muslims are required by the Koran to Jihad. They are rewarded for killing infidels (nonbelievers). Dying in Jihad for Muslims is a guaranteed way into heaven.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Christians are being butchered in Syria. Coptic Christians are being killed in Egypt. The reports I read on the attack in Kenya seemed to indicate that the shooters were going after Christians. Christians are being pressured to convert to Islam in parts of the ME or pay the 'infidel tax' just like they had to 1000 years ago. I don't hear any statements of outrage coming from our government.

 

[Doppel]

Not sure if this is a flame war starter, I hope it isn't, but it is interesting in light of the mall attack in Africa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism


vs


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism


What is the world doing to stem organized violence from one of the most popular religions?

I understand Christian's don't have clean hands as well, but it does appear that militant Christian group incidents have been much much smaller in proportion.

It's pretty obvious that Muslims disproportionately represent terrorism in the world. There are always exceptions. I can find somebody who's a member of green peace and dumps his oil in rivers but from a high level Islam is definitely more suited to violence than Christianity. It's going to find itself increasingly restricted if it cannot keep its own ranks away from murderous killing sprees.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Christians are not supposed to be terrorists according to the Bible. Those that do so are doing it against Jesus's teachings.

Muslims are required by the Koran to Jihad. They are rewarded for killing infidels (nonbelievers). Dying in Jihad for Muslims is a guaranteed way into heaven.

Christians are required to crusade to the holy land by the pope to recapture the holy land.

Also, per the church, the inquisition is there to help fight heresy!

These are terrorism, they may be distant past, but, if you are going to "go there" and compare the barbarism of one religion to another, you can't ignore 2000 years of worldwide terror on a scale only rivaled by hitler or stalin.

You Christians often ignore large portions of your holy book (the old testament) ... why not then let the Muslim believers choose what parts are literal or what parts are symbolic in their holy books?

The problem is FUNDAMENTALISM. Religions are being exploited for personal gain.

 

[IGBT]

politically correct liberal apologists have sided with wahhabi islam. Nothing like kissing a rattle snake. The end result is predictable and guaranteed.

 

[Doppel]

Christians are required to crusade to the holy land by the pope to recapture the holy land.

Also, per the church, the inquisition is there to help fight heresy!

These are terrorism, they may be distant past, but, if you are going to "go there" and compare the barbarism of one religion to another, you can't ignore 2000 years of worldwide terror on a scale only rivaled by hitler or stalin.

You Christians often ignore large portions of your holy book (the old testament) ... why not then let the Muslim believers choose what parts are literal or what parts are symbolic in their holy books?

The problem is FUNDAMENTALISM. Religions are being exploited for personal gain.

This often raised point about the crusades is really so profoundly irrelevant. You use an example from 500+ years ago to try and compare Christianity from then to Islam now. I suppose I should constantly refer to your slavery history or treatment of native Americans centuries ago. Would you dare speak to a German about his nation's killing of Jews only 70 years ago if he challenged you on a moral issue?

I agree with you though: the Christian church really needs to put a stop to Crusaders. Crusaders need to stay out of malls and stop raisin their kids to hate and kill non-Christians.

 

[peonyu]

Not sure if this is a flame war starter, I hope it isn't, but it is interesting in light of the mall attack in Africa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism


vs


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism


What is the world doing to stem organized violence from one of the most popular religions?

I understand Christian's don't have clean hands as well, but it does appear that militant Christian group incidents have been much much smaller in proportion.

Wow, talk about a contrast...The Christian terrorism page is like comparing the height of Florida to the Himalayas, you could fit 10+ Christian pages in the Muslim terrorism page alone. I guess Muslims have won at something and terrorism seems to be it!

 

[peonyu]

This often raised point about the crusades is really so profoundly irrelevant. You use an example from 500+ years ago to try and compare Christianity from then to Islam now. I suppose I should constantly refer to your slavery history or treatment of native Americans centuries ago. Would you dare speak to a German about his nation's killing of Jews only 70 years ago if he challenged you on a moral issue?

I agree with you though: the Christian church really needs to put a stop to Crusaders. Crusaders need to stay out of malls and stop raisin their kids to hate and kill non-Christians.

The Crusades are a victim of revisionist history [and political correctness] though. The fact about the Crusades that Muslim-suckups like to leave out is that North Africa and much of the Middle East were Christian lands before Muhammad's followers over ran it in their Jihads.
And the Muslims didnt stop at the middle east.

Before the First Crusade was ever Launched; Muslims laid siege to Rome several times, they attacked France, took over Sicily, tried to take over Constantinople, took over Spain and Portugal. All the while in the conquered territories they imposed 2nd rate status on non-Muslims and forced them to pay a Non-Muslim tax. Forced conversions were likely also common, probably as common as they are today in lands under Muslim control.


The spark that set off the first Crusade was Muslims attacking and butchering Christian pilgrims on their way to Jerusalem.

Ancient terrorism meet modern terrorism...They have the same face even today and yep, its Islam!

 

[BurnItDwn]

This often raised point about the crusades is really so profoundly irrelevant. You use an example from 500+ years ago to try and compare Christianity from then to Islam now. I suppose I should constantly refer to your slavery history or treatment of native Americans centuries ago. Would you dare speak to a German about his nation's killing of Jews only 70 years ago if he challenged you on a moral issue?

I agree with you though: the Christian church really needs to put a stop to Crusaders. Crusaders need to stay out of malls and stop raisin their kids to hate and kill non-Christians.

Christianity is 500 years older than Islam. So, in order to be impartial and fair, we should compare Christianity in 1500s to Islam today.

 

[OutHouse]

Christians are required to crusade to the holy land by the pope to recapture the holy land.

Also, per the church, the inquisition is there to help fight heresy!

i was unaware that the pope requires this of catholics. got a link?

fyi, the Pope is not the leader of all christians. but i guess you already knew this.

 

[OutHouse]

Christianity is 500 years older than Islam. So, in order to be impartial and fair, we should compare Christianity in 1500s to Islam today.

fail

 

[JD50]

Christianity is 500 years older than Islam. So, in order to be impartial and fair, we should compare Christianity in 1500s to Islam today.

No that's actually incredibly retarded. I'm an atheist that would prefer to see all religion disappear, but the comparison you're making is just terrible.

 

[HomerJS]

If you add up both groups worldwide throughout history Christians have a huge lead.

 

[Doppel]

Christianity is 500 years older than Islam. So, in order to be impartial and fair, we should compare Christianity in 1500s to Islam today.

Fail

 

[Doppel]

If you add up both groups worldwide throughout history Christians have a huge lead.

Even if this is true what do you mean by it? Should we give Islamic terroriss a pass until they hit equal numbers?

Does it mean I can start a new anti-bald person religion and kill them all until I catch up?

 

[thraashman]

Christians are not supposed to be terrorists according to the Bible. Those that do so are doing it against Jesus's teachings.

Muslims are required by the Koran to Jihad. They are rewarded for killing infidels (nonbelievers). Dying in Jihad for Muslims is a guaranteed way into heaven.

Well to be fair Jihad just means "struggle". We don't know what the intended meaning within the Quran is and huge majority of Muslims don't interpret it as "kill all non Muslims". Unfortunately the sociopaths that do interpret it that way keep acting on that stupid belief.

Christians are being butchered in Syria. Coptic Christians are being killed in Egypt. The reports I read on the attack in Kenya seemed to indicate that the shooters were going after Christians. Christians are being pressured to convert to Islam in parts of the ME or pay the 'infidel tax' just like they had to 1000 years ago. I don't hear any statements of outrage coming from our government.

Why would out government make statements of outrage for Christians being killed when we pretty much ignore every bad thing that happens in Africa?

 

[kage69]

Muslims are required by the Koran to Jihad. They are rewarded for killing infidels (nonbelievers). Dying in Jihad for Muslims is a guaranteed way into heaven.

How odd. I think it would be difficult to collect jazia from dead people.

 

[1prophet]

Common but false comparison because of the propaganda in America and other Western countries where you are brainwashed to compare Islam to Christianity or some other religion, instead of realizing the real battle is between Secularism and Islam.

At the forefront of this foolishness are the so called liberals who would blast a christian for being a bigoted homophobe if they are against gay marriage and consider a cross in urine as art and burning the bible to be free speech,

yet at the same time defend (apologize) Islam due to their multiculturalism brainwashing and they consider burning the Qur'an as hate speech, and call those who criticize Islam bigots or Islamophobes, and of course their oldie but goodie "but the christian did it too."


Ataturk had it right, but thanks to the Saudi's and the apologetic west love of oil which help finance the Wahhabi madrassas Islam has gone a different way.

 

[thraashman]

Common but false comparison because of the propaganda in America and other Western countries where you are brainwashed to compare Islam to Christianity or some other religion, instead of realizing the real battle is between Secularism and Islam.

At the forefront of this foolishness are the so called liberals who would blast a christian for being a bigoted homophobe if they are against gay marriage and consider a cross in urine as art and burning the bible to be free speech,

yet at the same time defend (apologize) Islam due to their multiculturalism brainwashing and they consider burning the Qur'an as hate speech, and call those who criticize Islam bigots or Islamophobes, and of course their oldie but goodie "but the christian did it too."


Ataturk had it right, but thanks to the Saudi's and the apologetic west love of oil which help finance the Wahhabi madrassas Islam has gone a different way.

Let me help you out here. Being against America legalizing gay marriage is at its heart bigoted because it goes against the entire concept of equality in this nation, but that doesn't mean you aren't free to be against it and that vocalizing your opposition is disallowed from your free speech rights. Pissing on a cross or burning a Bible is free speech, that doesn't mean it's not hateful or in the case of the peeing on a cross pointless and stupid.

As far as defending Islam, no one is defending those who commit terrorist acts. However, when a religion has over a billion followers and a few hundred or even thousand are terrorists, that doesn't make up the viewpoint of the religion as a whole. Also, trying to have a war against an entire religion is just insane and trying to paint the entire religion as evil is a losing proposition, we need to be inclusive instead of exclusive.

Also, yes there is quite a bit less Christianity inspired terrorism than Islamic. That doesn't mean that Christianity is without faults of its own.

Really, the war is secularism against ALL religions. Because secularism is the only right answer. Reason should always win out over faith.

 

[TheSiege]

I am more worried about corporate terrorism, they are the real killers, their numbers far outweigh christians and muslims combined.

 

[RFE]

Christianity is 500 years older than Islam. So, in order to be impartial and fair, we should compare Christianity in 1500s to Islam today.

Congratulations!! This has to be one of the dumbest posts within all of P&N.

According to you:
Everybody nowadays should be forced to live the grandeur of the 1500's.
Mass killings are fine, because its been done before.
Killing in the name of religion should be acceptable because it was 500 years ago.

Weak attempt at trying to casually dismiss and/or justify this horrific act of terror. You're a tool in more ways than one (propaganda tool, and, well, just a tool in general).

 

[JulesMaximus]

I have a hard time figuring out why anyone would kill someone else in the name of religion. It's all fucking bullshit anyway.