Christians Attacked In Michigan!

[umbrella39]

Who cares? Whoever was supposed to do it didn't do their job.



You as the taxpayer foot the bill because that's the price of freedom. When some idiot organization like the KKK decides to have a march somewhere and there have to be a hundred cops there to protect them, it's the same thing. I don't want my money to have to be wasted like that, but that's the price of freedom, they have the same rights as everyone else not to be assaulted.

Nonsense. You do not have the right to incite a riot and expect the handful of police there to provide safety for EVERYONE to stop what they are doing, leave their posts and protect a group of people there hell bent on conflict. Why should everyone there have to suffer because of the actions of a few. So the other 16.5 blocks just go un-policed the ENTIRE event so the few police there can surround hate mongers from getting what they came there for in the first place. The police did the right thing and sent them packing. This is one of the weakest free speech 'arguments' ever...

The people of Dearborn and the residents of Wayne County should NOT have to foot the bill for Christian fucktards like these guys or Terry Jones to descend on Dearborn a few times a year to protest Muslims just because there is a large concentration of Middle Eastern Americans here in this city. They did NOT come before 9-11 to have protests in Dearborn. Non of these ARABS (again MANY are CHRISTIAN themselves) were involved in 9-11 so why should we keep footing the bill to protect the hate mongers who travel across the country to spread their hatred in the city of Ford Motor Company, the city I was born in? At some point you have to put your foot down and say fuck you, protect yourselves. Better yet, just stay the fuck home.

 

[Nintendesert]

Where does the fighting words doctrine kick in then?

Have at it.


http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentid=13718

 

[wirednuts]

what would happen if i showed up and threw water bottles at both crowds, shouting "god is not alive! god is not alive!"

 

[Nintendesert]

what would happen if i showed up and threw water bottles at both crowds, shouting "god is not alive! god is not alive!"

You'd be arrested and charged with assault. Not sure what your point is other than to proclaim your atheism in this thread. Congrats I guess.

 

[lotus503]

Fact is other than an article there isn't anything substantiating a crime was committed. No mention of injuries etc.

It's likely there was no evidence of assault, the cops didn't do anything because there was no crime.

 

[Orignal Earl]

The top three topics in here right now are about Christians being persecuted.
lol
I thought this was a tech board

 

[WelshBloke]

If this keeps happening, the police will have to set up individual camps for each of the different religions that can't play nice together: one for Muslims, one for Christians, and one for Jews.

I'm going to the Muslim one for the food and the Jewish one for the parties, I'll save the Christian one for the hangover.

 

[Nintendesert]

I'm going to the Muslim one for the food and the Jewish one for the parties, I'll save the Christian one for the hangover.

I need my pig.

 

[WelshBloke]

I need my pig.

If you're lucky the Christians might throw the head of one at you when you leave the Muslim camp.

Win/win

 

[Orignal Earl]

I'm going to the Muslim one for the food and the Jewish one for the parties, I'll save the Christian one for the hangover.

lol
Repent !!! Repent !!!

 

[WelshBloke]

The top three topics in here right now are about Christians being persecuted.
lol
I thought this was a tech board

That's because America is well known for persecuting Christians.

Well that or the fact that Christians are very, very whiny.

 

[Incorruptible]

Fact is other than an article there isn't anything substantiating a crime was committed. No mention of injuries etc.

It's likely there was no evidence of assault, the cops didn't do anything because there was no crime.

The Christians had there rights violated, this is a big crime

 

[PokerGuy]

Nonsense. You do not have the right to incite a riot

At what point did our concept of freedom of speech unravel to the point where stating your opinion and peacefully protesting is "inciting a riot"?

leave their posts and protect a group of people there hell bent on conflict.

If they protesters got hurt and the police said "we were unable to protect them, but we arrested those who committed the assault", that would have been perfectly reasonable. Just saying "the crowd doesn't like your message so we won't protect your rights at all" is not acceptable... or rather, it should not be to anyone who values free speech.

Why should everyone there have to suffer because of the actions of a few.

Because they have a right to those actions. It's that simple.

<snip> Better yet, just stay the f**k home.

So your whole argument boils down to "I think they are idiots, I don't like what they are saying, and thus their rights should not be protected". Popular speech does not need protecting. The real measure of a free society is whether truly unpopular speech is protected.

 

[umbrella39]

The Christians had there rights violated, this is a big crime

No, they didn't. They came and were able to spout their BS for quite sometime before their safety could no longer be assured. Free speech found. You are free to say whatever you want, you are not always free to be heard indefinitely. EOFS

 

[CrackRabbit]

Man, I missed my chance to point out early on that "y'all be postin' in a troll thread."

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Freedom of speech does not extended to creating a situation that affects public safety.

The Christian group was looking for trouble - they found it.

Outrage not found

Yeah, pretty much this. They got precisely the reaction they were hoping for, by mocking the Muslims' faith. Hard to feel sorry for them in this situation.

 

[PokerGuy]

Fact is other than an article there isn't anything substantiating a crime was committed. No mention of injuries etc.

It's likely there was no evidence of assault, the cops didn't do anything because there was no crime.

Given the dubious source of this, it's very possible that indeed that's what happened. My comments are really more general to the principle of free speech and that it should be protected as a valuable liberty - not so much about that instance since I haven't seen real details other than the linked article from a dubious source.

 

[PokerGuy]

They got precisely the reaction they were hoping for, by mocking the Muslims' faith. Hard to feel sorry for them in this situation.

Mocking someone's faith does not entitle someone else to react violently. If / when they do, they should be held accountable. And no, I don't feel sorry for them either.

 

[umbrella39]

So your whole argument boils down to "I think they are idiots, I don't like what they are saying, and thus their rights should not be protected". Popular speech does not need protecting. The real measure of a free society is whether truly unpopular speech is protected.

Why not set up an online fund like Zimmerman and have donations so we can pay for more police protection. Until then as a taxpayer I say fuck you. Stay home.

 

[PokerGuy]

Until then as a taxpayer I say f**k you. Stay home.

That's fine if you don't believe in freedom of speech you disagree with. I happen to think freedom of speech is important, even if we have to tolerate idiots who spout idiocy.

I think a lot of people see it the same way you do, which is why the concept of freedom of speech is in serious trouble.

 

[hal2kilo]

The top three topics in here right now are about Christians being persecuted.
lol
I thought this was a tech board

It makes you wonder sometime. Especially when we have a poster that for the most part has a single agenda.

 

[Nintendesert]

Why not set up an online fund like Zimmerman and have donations so we can pay for more police protection. Until then as a taxpayer I say fuck you. Stay home.

I'm sure plenty said that during the Civil Rights marches too. Even if speech is unpopular at the time doesn't mean we don't protect it.

 

[PokerGuy]

There is a reason even KKK marchers or neo-nazi's or other scum protestors are (and should be!) protected.

 

[WelshBloke]

At what point did our concept of freedom of speech unravel to the point where stating your opinion and peacefully protesting is "inciting a riot"?.. .

What exactly were they protesting? What were their aims and objectives?

Were they just there to wave a pigs head at the Muslims?

I don't particularly like anti abortion protesters but I can see that they have a legitimate reason to protest, these guys just went to be asshats though.

 

[umbrella39]

I'm sure plenty said that during the Civil Rights marches too. Even if speech is unpopular at the time doesn't mean we don't protect it.

This not even close to being analogous to the civil rights movement. Don't paint it as such...