Christians Attacked In Michigan!

[PokerGuy]

these guys just went to be asshats though.

They have a right to be, provided they don't interfere with the rights of another. They don't have to have a "valid reason" for protesting.

 

[Incorruptible]

They have a right to be, provided they don't interfere with the rights of another. They don't have to have a "valid reason" for protesting.

PokerGuy really understands what freedom of speech is about. EVERYONE has freedom of speech, one group couldn't TOLERATE ANY CRITICISM OF THERE RELIGION WITHOUT GETTING VIOLENT. They are the ones who violate freedom and should be arrested.

 

[a777pilot]

http://www.doublethinknot.com/2012/...ked-in-the-islamic-city-of-dearborn-michigan/

Several hundred muslim youths surrounded and pelted a group of Christians with rocks, bottles and other objects, this was at an arab festival in Dearborne Michigan and the Christians went to peacefully protest

The police witnessed the attacks and refused to help the Christians instead they sided with the muslims and told the Christians to leave or face charges
The police didn't do there job and violated the rights of Christians

If this was a group of muslims attacked by Christians or Jews there would be outrage and the police would do something

Is it time for the police to start doing something about these issues and for the government to address this problem, I believe it is because freedom is being violated and its not safe for non-muslims there

Good for these peace loving muslims. Next time these peace loving muslims should just shoot those ass-hole christians.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

PokerGuy really understands what freedom of speech is about.

So does everyone else here. Haven't seen a single comment saying that violence was justified.

Most of us just don't feel a lot of sympathy for jerks who go looking for trouble and find it.

 

[cybrsage]

This not even close to being analogous to the civil rights movement. Don't paint it as such...

In that both are unpopular speech, they are the same.

 

[Orignal Earl]

So does everyone else here. Haven't seen a single comment saying that violence was justified.

Most of us just don't feel a lot of sympathy for jerks who go looking for trouble and find it.

Don't worry since according to all the obozo supporters the MB is very moderate and can be trusted

MB = Muslim Brotherhood
Clearly this dude has issues, paranoia is just the start

 

[PokerGuy]

This not even close to being analogous to the civil rights movement. Don't paint it as such...

That's the whole point of freedom of speech, that the government isn't to be an arbiter of what speech is desirable and what isn't and then provide protection accordingly. All speech should be protected, with specific narrow exceptions (shouting "fire" in a theater) for specific reasons that the courts have outlined.

 

[Incorruptible]

This not even close to being analogous to the civil rights movement. Don't paint it as such...

Why? Many people opposed the civil rights movement and the civil rights supporters absolutely have the right to protest peacefully just like the Christians unless of course white people aren't allowed to protest?

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Atheists should have thrown feces at both groups. Atleast they are right.

 

[Incorruptible]

Atheists should have thrown feces at both groups. Atleast they are right.

Thats a pretty good idea but they would get arrested for attacking muslims and being racist

 

[Orignal Earl]

Why? Many people opposed the civil rights movement and the civil rights supporters absolutely have the right to protest peacefully just like the Christians unless of course white people aren't allowed to protest?

lol
Christian = White

Edit- This is an Arab festival, and like someone already pointed out a large number of them are Christians.
So you also had Christians stoning the Christians

 

[techs]

lol
Christian = White

Edit- This is an Arab festival, and like someone already pointed out a large number of them are Christians.
So you also had Christians stoning the Christians

Religious fervor at its finest!

 

[Capt Caveman]

lol
Christian = White

Edit- This is an Arab festival, and like someone already pointed out a large number of them are Christians.
So you also had Christians stoning the Christians

The OP is just as stupid as those Christian protestors.

 

[blankslate]

I highly doubt this. Promise Keepers rallies have been protested many times over the years...I cannot find one incident of crowd violence against these protesters.

Maybe but perhaps those protesters at the promise keepers weren't overly antagonistic to Christians? The video is also edited and doesn't really show the whole encounter. At the beginning you can hear "God is Truth." "God is not Allah" "God is Jesus"

Did the protesters at the promise keepers rallies go around yelling something like "you worship a false god!"
Rather doubtful.
They were probably protesting what they thought were archaic views held by the Promise Keepers about women

That being said *it's* obviously confrontational going to a religious gathering as a group representing a rival religion.


Later in the video at around the 3min. 33 sec. mark you can see a sign that says "Islam is a Religion of murder" then quotes John 3:16 directly underneath that text. Fairly provocative. I'd expect some level of antagonism from any religious gathering if I said something like that about their religion or if I carried a sign that said "your god demands atrocities done in his name."

Additionally why the snippet of President Obama's visit to the same town two months earlier... Sorry this video has an unreliable (imo) editor and I'd like to see a newspaper report or two on the incident for a more complete picture of what exactly happened.

If the Promise keepers ever did throw rocks at their protestors I have the same response.

Don't go around religious events kicking up hornet's nests.

I didn't watch the video the whole way through after about 8 minutes I started skipping through the rest. the Police eventually escort the protestors out and then there's another clip of President Obama at the end.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Maybe but perhaps those protesters at the promise keepers weren't overly antagonistic to Christians?

I'm sure they all were quite well behaved and said nothing that would be considered "overly antagonistic".

What an interesting world you must live in.

 

[zinfamous]

http://www.doublethinknot.com/2012/...ked-in-the-islamic-city-of-dearborn-michigan/

Several hundred muslim youths surrounded and pelted a group of Christians with rocks, bottles and other objects, this was at an arab festival in Dearborne Michigan and the Christians went to peacefully protest

The police witnessed the attacks and refused to help the Christians instead they sided with the muslims and told the Christians to leave or face charges
The police didn't do there job and violated the rights of Christians

If this was a group of muslims attacked by Christians or Jews there would be outrage and the police would do something

Is it time for the police to start doing something about these issues and for the government to address this problem, I believe it is because freedom is being violated and its not safe for non-muslims there

what a horribly useless blog you are reading, convincing you of BS you already want to believe, obviously.

so, please tell me--what exactly were these "christians" going there to "peacefully protest?"

it's not in that anti-journalistic turd you linked.

are you, at least, not curious about the situation?

 

[zinfamous]

freedom of speech yo . . . . can't be limited just because you don't like it. Assault / Battery charges should be filed and they should all be punished, the islamists.

well, they sure as shit let their speech be known, and suffered the consequences of being assaulted for their profound retardation and utter lack of education.


I see no violation of anyone's freedoms.

 

[zinfamous]

If only that guy named MLK took your advice and didn't go full on uppity.

:hmm:

 

[zinfamous]

Why? Many people opposed the civil rights movement and the civil rights supporters absolutely have the right to protest peacefully just like the Christians unless of course white people aren't allowed to protest?

here you are using that phrase again.

in no way does this describe their antagonistic intent to incite a riot.

fuck those dickheads.

 

[Pulsar]

PokerGuy really understands what freedom of speech is about. EVERYONE has freedom of speech, one group couldn't TOLERATE ANY CRITICISM OF THERE RELIGION WITHOUT GETTING VIOLENT. They are the ones who violate freedom and should be arrested.

As usual, your bigotry gets in the way of any rational thought.

To begin, you really should use a credible source. Do you understand what that means? A source who explains both sides. Who actually investigates. Who was actually local. Not a blogger with zero credibility who simply parrots what a religious organization chooses to feed him.

The situation has been reported by real newspapers, local to the event. Simply put, the so-called Christians went there to antagonize muslims. They chose the most insulting way to do so. In itself, that is not illegal. They were, however, using several illegal means and methods. This is what the police addressed.

The muslim crowd reacted badly, and performed some illegal actions. Hopefully they were arrested for assault. Unfortunately, the only video we have of the incident is the heavily editted video put out by the Christian group. Of which you choose to believe without question.

People like YOU, incorruptible, are the biggest problem here. You parrot lies, post crap, and generally try to stir up hatred and anger. You do so specifically against one religion, laying your bigotry and hatred bare for every one to see.

I'm local to that particular festival, and have gone there many times. (I am not religious in any way). I am as white as white can be, and I've always been treated politely and courteously. I also work with a number of muslims who attend the event.

It sickens me that people like you insist on trying to spread your poison. You harp on how 'multiculturalism' is a failure without realizing that you are the exact type of person who is causing the problems to begin with.

If people took a reasonable stance, enforced the laws equally, and then simply continued to do so this sort of thing goes away.

Instead, you continue to spread ignorance. It's sad that people like you can't simply be banned - but at the same time I support your ability (and in the US your right) to spew your bullshit.

Why aren't you decrying the hatred shown by the Christians? Can you even acknowledge that there was no *rational* reason for them to be there, and they were there to sow hatred and discord?

 

[blankslate]

I'm sure they all were quite well behaved and said nothing that would be considered "overly antagonistic". What an interesting world you must live in.

Did you watch the video? Let me rephrase the question. Did any of the Peace Keepers protestors brandish signs calling them a murderous sect of Christianity?

My world just can't be even one-tenth as interesting as yours...

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Look, if these people showed up at the First Baptist Church of Yourtown and started screaming Allah is great would you think it is a good idea to allow this? Religious gatherings should be exempt from this type of "free speech/demonstration/etc.".

 

[PingviN]

Throwing shit at people for not agreeing with you? Yeah, that is what civilized people do alright. I don't think you'll find any minority that reacts so violently to insult as Muslims and the fact that the police don't care is just sad.

 

[her209]

Throwing shit at people for not agreeing with you? Yeah, that is what civilized people do alright. I don't think you'll find any minority that reacts so violently to insult as Muslims and the fact that the police don't care is just sad.

Because civilized people show up to gatherings with severed pig heads and signs that are intended to provoke people at said gathering?

 

[DucatiMonster696]

So your whole argument boils down to "I think they are idiots, I don't like what they are saying, and thus their rights should not be protected". Popular speech does not need protecting. The real measure of a free society is whether truly unpopular speech is protected.

+ this exponentially multiplied one million times over.

In a free society where individual rights matter, freedom of speech is a guaranteed right to protect those who voice unpopular opinions or statements without them having to face the fear of being stoned to death by an angry fickle mob.