Christians Attacked In Michigan!

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The pics are from the protesters' blog. They are the "Official Street Preachers."

http://officialstreetpreachers.blogspot.com/2012/07/official-preach-report-on-dearborn-stan.html

The same or similar pics are available on the Dearborn Free Press website.

I noted in looking at their site that this is far from being their first brush with asshole-ism:



I can only conclude that this moron is trying to become the next Westboro Baptist Church, but with less of a singular focus on a particular issue.
Yeah...I saw that too. Thanks for the link.

Morons pervade every nook and cranny of our culture. Believe it or not...some people are so stupid that they actually believe that these particular morons are a fair representation of Christianity. Go figure.
 

cybrsage

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I find it very difficult to believe Jesus Christ would have approved of this expression of faith in Him.

Agreed. Jesus would also have not been that close to a pig head...since pig is treif and Jesus was Kosher through and through. Invoking the name of Jesus and holding a pig head is quite silly.

EDIT: Jesus Ben Elohim? It would be Y'shua Ben Elohim...or Y'shua Ben Yosef, since Joseph adopted Jesus as his son.
 
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What's your problem...are you butt sore about something?

You were fairly eager to defend these guys earlier. Or perhaps not so receptive to a comparison of the Muslim gathering in question to the promise keepers. However, it's not clear that protesters at promise keepers organized events have been as in your face as the guy in the picture...

that's all.
 
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You were fairly eager to defend these guys earlier. Or perhaps not so receptive to a comparison of the Muslim gathering in question to the promise keepers. However, it's not clear that protesters at promise keepers organized events have been as in your face as the guy in the picture...

that's all.
Good.
 

WelshBloke

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... Jesus would also have not been that close to a pig head...since pig is treif and Jesus was Kosher through and through. Invoking the name of Jesus and holding a pig head is quite silly.

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:awe: I like your line of thought there. :thumbsup:
 

zinfamous

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It's their right to do so, no? Throwing rocks at people is illegal, provoking using pigs' heads isn't. I don't really think having pig's heads on spikes is equal to throwing rocks, do you?

the more I think about it...the more I think they are pretty much equal. Pretty much the same level of savagery.
 

zinfamous

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Yeah...I saw that too. Thanks for the link.

Morons pervade every nook and cranny of our culture. Believe it or not...some people are so stupid that they actually believe that these particular morons are a fair representation of Christianity. Go figure.


Well, I don't necessarily believe that and I do agree with you--but I also believe that it is incumbent on the larger Christian community to become far, far more vocal about disavowing these people. This is a minority--an extremely vociferous and attention-grabbing minorty (like teabaggers, for example)--but as such, it's difficult to control the perceptions of those outside the so-called Christian fundy movement when this is the only message they hear.

It is the same charge that Christians levy on Islam as a whole--to be more vocal about disavowing the terrorists and fundies in their community (Islamists are much more active in this venture, tbh).
 

zinfamous

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You need to go educate yourself on the Civil Rights movement or the Women's Suffrage movement. Read what people wrote, read about the reactions to those movements and then see what people said about those marching and causing problems.

After you do that, see which side you most sound like and then reevaluate yourself.

clearly, in today's battle for "civil rights," that would be MLK with a pig's head on a pike, attacking a particular culture and attempting to incite violence.

 

WelshBloke

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While it is true that Kosher laws do not apply to the Goyim (per the Council of Jerusalem), they certainly did apply to Jesus.

It would be interesting to watch that guys (the guy with the pig on a stick) face as that was explained to him. :biggrin:
 
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Well, I don't necessarily believe that and I do agree with you--but I also believe that it is incumbent on the larger Christian community to become far, far more vocal about disavowing these people. This is a minority--an extremely vociferous and attention-grabbing minorty (like teabaggers, for example)--but as such, it's difficult to control the perceptions of those outside the so-called Christian fundy movement when this is the only message they hear.

It is the same charge that Christians levy on Islam as a whole--to be more vocal about disavowing the terrorists and fundies in their community (Islamists are much more active in this venture, tbh).
I agree with you in principal. However, if a faction of Christians were killing people on a regular basis, I would definitely expect them to be far more vocal. But this is not the case.

In this particular situation...the likilihood of the Christian community apologizing for these fools is quite remote...almost as remote as the probability of the Muslim community apologizing for those who threw rocks at the protesters.
 

umbrella39

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The pics are from the protesters' blog. They are the "Official Street Preachers."

http://officialstreetpreachers.blogspot.com/2012/07/official-preach-report-on-dearborn-stan.html

The same or similar pics are available on the Dearborn Free Press website.

I noted in looking at their site that this is far from being their first brush with asshole-ism:



I can only conclude that this moron is trying to become the next Westboro Baptist Church, but with less of a singular focus on a particular issue.


Here is a video of them at another Arabfest if anyone wants to see these pigs in action...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AoLetVJrpo&feature=related
 

zinfamous

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I agree with you in principal. However, if a faction of Christians were killing people on a regular basis, I would definitely expect them to be far more vocal. But this is not the case.

In this particular situation...the likilihood of the Christian community apologizing for these fools is quite remote...almost as remote as the probability of the Muslim community apologizing for those who threw rocks at the protesters.

I wouldn't say it's a regular basis, but a faction of them do bomb planned parenthood facilities and murder clinicians.

(PP being the one institution in this country that greatly limits the number of abortions performed in this country. This disconnect among fundies is the same sort of profound ignorance and brain washing as displayed by pig head-wielding jesus man and all the jacket bomb-wielding terrorists.)
 

PokerGuy

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the more I think about it...the more I think they are pretty much equal. Pretty much the same level of savagery.

If you think so, how about we test it. You go stand with a pig or whatever animal head you want on a spike in front of me, and then I'll throw rocks at you. Afterwards, we can reconvene and you can reconsider if they are the same level of savagery. Hint: one is illegal and assault, the other is not, it is merely offensive to some.
 

PokerGuy

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...which is fine until you create a disturbance, like these protesters were doing. The police asked them to leave because they were creating a disturbance, and THAT was what they were going to arrest them on - something completely illegal and totally justified to arrest them on.

So, if saying something that someone else doesn't like is considered "creating a disturbance" and therefore illegal, wouldn't it mean that nobody has the right to free speech anymore, lest they be charged with a "causing a disturbance" when someone else decided they didn't like what they were saying and decided to start assaulting them?
 

PokerGuy

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Don't be daft, the pigs head on a stick was there for one reason. People protesting for civil rights is completely different. In one example you are asking for a change in the order of things in the other you are just there to go "Yaa boo, you suck. *rable rable*".

In terms of freedom of speech, there is no distinction between the two. Restrictions on freedom of speech are allowed, but only for specific narrow purposes in specific situations. The "reason" for the protest is NOT one of the criteria for determining what is protected speech. Going out and saying "boo you suck" for no particular reason is just as much protected as "we want equality!".
 

PokerGuy

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The more I see / hear about these jackasses, the more clear it is that they are like westboro wannabe's. What jerks.

Of course that doesn't change the fundamental issue that jerks or not, their rights are just as valid as anyone else, as the scotus ruled in the westboro case.
 
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I wouldn't say it's a regular basis, but a faction of them do bomb planned parenthood facilities and murder clinicians.

(PP being the one institution in this country that greatly limits the number of abortions performed in this country. This disconnect among fundies is the same sort of profound ignorance and brain washing as displayed by pig head-wielding jesus man and all the jacket bomb-wielding terrorists.)
A pig head-wielding jesus man is hardly the same sort of profound ignorance and brain washing as a jacket bomb-wielding terrorist. /facepalm
 

zinfamous

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If you think so, how about we test it. You go stand with a pig or whatever animal head you want on a spike in front of me, and then I'll throw rocks at you. Afterwards, we can reconvene and you can reconsider if they are the same level of savagery. Hint: one is illegal and assault, the other is not, it is merely offensive to some.


oh, you're talking legality.

I'm talking mentality/ignorance.
 

zinfamous

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The more I see / hear about these jackasses, the more clear it is that they are like westboro wannabe's. What jerks.

Of course that doesn't change the fundamental issue that jerks or not, their rights are just as valid as anyone else, as the scotus ruled in the westboro case.

their rights were completely upheld. How were they not?
 

PokerGuy

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their rights were completely upheld. How were they not?

Allowing someone to be assaulted without holding the assailant accountable is not exactly upholding their rights. That's like saying "sure, you're free to say whatever you want, but we will not uphold the law and hold those who engage in assault afterwards accountable. Go ahead, exercise your rights, but don't expect equal protection under the law because we don't like what you're saying!".
 

zinfamous

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Allowing someone to be assaulted without holding the assailant accountable is not exactly upholding their rights. That's like saying "sure, you're free to say whatever you want, but we will not uphold the law and hold those who engage in assault afterwards accountable. Go ahead, exercise your rights, but don't expect equal protection under the law because we don't like what you're saying!".

to be fair, as the others have said, the limited police presence was responsible for preventing a riot, which is clearly what pig-jesus-man was trying to do.

the most effective way to do this, in the moment, is to deal with the primary idiots and get them the fuck away. I imagine if they wanted to wade into the crowd and start removing the individuals that threw rocks (whom they likely would not have been able to identify on the spot), then they could have done so. But that would be a stupid strategy.

If there is video, they can investigate after the fact.

Honestly, trying to persecute the people that were being openly and baselessly insulted, and having reacted in the way that many "good ol boy" americans would have reacted, in this situation, sounds like a denial of their right to peaceable assembly.

The police already told the zealots to move along, several times. They refused (fine), but kept being pricks. I doubt the cops had much sympathy for any dickbads that got pelted by rocks (I know I don't)
 

cybrsage

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the more I think about it...the more I think they are pretty much equal. Pretty much the same level of savagery.

How many people have died from seeing a pigs head on a spike vs being repeated hit by hard objects?

Equality not found in the effects.
 
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