Christians Wrong about Heaven, Says Bishop

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SagaLore

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Originally posted by: Throckmorton
So a core belief of most Christians is not supported by the Bible?

A lot of beliefs of most Christians are not supported by the bible. (I'm christian btw)
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: Crono
He's right, the bible clearly does say that there is an intermediate place (Hades) where the souls of men go after death.

No it doesn't.
 

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Heres what the Bible says about holding pen for Christians. LOL.

When the dead rise. The First shall be last. and the last shall be first. Alot of BS. has been spread about this statement.

Makes perfect sense. If you were able to walk with and talk with Christ and see his Works . Be a lot easier to except him as SON of GOD.

IN revelalations John says That God cuts short the Time of Man because the Elete of God shall be endanger of losing their immortel Soul. These elite it is written are 144,000 male virgen Jews.

Rather strange that their Jews or stated to be. So you can see clearly not many of us are going to see salvation.

This is one thing that has the World of man all pissy about the Bible. They see clearly they aren't among the people who recieve salvation. I am not saying the Elite are jews all I am saying is that whats written . I am also saying God cuts short the Time because these people are also endanger of Losing their souls. Since there names are already in the book of life God cuts short the time of Man. Revelations does say however man gets another 1000 years.In the New Holy CityThat comes down from Heaven .At the end of the 1000 years. He who holds the keys of helll lets Satin free to tempt man once more . Satin fails and passes into predistion(spelling).


So the rapture that takes place that so many talk about. In the twinkling of an eye isn't going to see that many people dissappear. If any.

Other than the 4 gosphels I don't see a lot of Value in the New Testament. Once you understand who it is that was responsible for what Books went into the New Testament.

A non- christian Ceaser of rome. Some 300 years after Christ died. Was responsiable for what went into the New Testament. Fear not tho 2 witnesses are present in the ending times to fight the anti Christ-Peter of Rome Many shall be saved because of these 2. Make no mistake about it tho these are 2 people the World will hate. They make prophecy that is fulfilled right away . Earth quakes floods all shorts of disaster do they bring to the world. When the anti- Christ Finally kills them in the old city near that which is profaned by the Moslems the world will rejoice and party for 3 days . There bodies shall lie in the street at the end of 3 days thet rise at that Moment The New Christ comes to fight satin. These 2 will be the First to rise. As I said for a lie to work it has to be embedded in the trueth. Problem is finding the lie=Paul



 

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This is last thing I have to tell you guys and it's the trueth.

No religion teaches this . Its something they don't want you to know. .

For all of those lost souls I doudt any of them will not be allowed into heaven after the 1000 years passes and Satin is let loose again to tempt man .

The only creatures of God that will not move onward are 1/3 of the angles all others do come to God. How so? If the souls of men that do rise to heaven are worthy of heaven they will feel remorse for those who aren't counted among them. God so loves us he says Come on up hear . After all it was the Great deciever who caused all of this . There was only 1 Angle the first born of creation that could stand against Satin . This is Mikey = Christ= Unknown name. So God in his wisdom knew this.

You can see why this would be hidden from you can't you. But its not a free ride . Your still going to have to spend 1000 years in Hell. Keep in mind Satin knows this. Hell is going to be Hell. Hell isn't forever. Thats why at the end of the 1000 years .Satin is let loose from hell. Satin isn't locked away again . Satin is cast into the firery lake. In other Words Satin is destoyed . It is at this time All things are made new again.

So hell does pass away . Were he who holds the keys to the gates of hell is . And the firery lake are clearly 2 differant places.
 
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Originally posted by: bignateyk
http://www.time.com/time/world...0,8599,1710844,00.html

In Revelation and Paul's letters we are told that God's people will actually be running the new world on God's behalf. The idea of our participation in the new creation goes back to Genesis, when humans are supposed to be running the Garden and looking after the animals.

So is the argument of many christian fundies about "humans playing god" completely wrong?

If people think "my physical body doesn't matter very much," then who cares what I do with it? And if people think that our world, our cosmos, doesn't matter much, who cares what we do with that?

A pretty interesting article that seems to go against the views of many christians. Whether you believe in an afterlife or not, much of what he is saying would radically alter dabate on certain current events (global warming, genetic engineering, etc...)

One priest I listened to explained it in a way that I rather liked, but that would have pissed my boss off to no end. My boss is one of those that basically says, "Trash the planet, drive animals to extinction, who cares, it is all temporary anyway."

The priest said something along these lines. "Say your friend gave you a really beautiful, wonderful house to live in. Something better than you could ever afford on your own, and beyond your own ability to build. Then they told you, "I have to go out of town for a while, but when I get back I will build an even better house for you." (I don't remember if the priest mentioned anything about telling them to "take care of the place" or not.)

Say that person then left, and was gone for a long time. So long you began to wonder if they were going to come back, despite your claims that you were sure they were going to, and that they would be giving you a wonderful new house when they did. In the meantime, you let the place you were currently living in fall apart, because hey, who cares, you're getting a better one soon anyway.

Finally, the day arrives, your friend has shown up. You see him coming up the drive and run down to meet him at the door, which is chipped up and hanging from one hinge. The carpet is stained and threadbare. The place is a dump compared to when it was given over to your care. How do you think your friend is going to feel, seeing how you treated the gift he gave you? Do you think he might be a little bit hesitant about giving you a new house, seeing how you treated the old one?"

I am paraphrasing, but that was the gist of it.
 

SoundTheSurrender

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You guys should really check "Who Wrote the Bible?" on google videos. It's a great documentary of the Bible and exposes a lot of things that people would hate/ or deny.
 

Eli

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I can't believe someone has put so much thought into trying to figure out our world based on the words in a 2,000 year old book.....

:laugh:
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: Eli
I can't believe someone has put so much thought into trying to figure out our world based on the words in a 2,000 year old book.....

:laugh:
In another 2000 years, the I Can Has Cheezburger website will be revered as an ancient sacred text of some sort.

That, or the 4chan archives. :Q
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Crono
He's right, the bible clearly does say that there is an intermediate place (Hades) where the souls of men go after death.

No it doesn't.


I haven't looked on the net . But you are aware that their are more than 4 gosphels correct. They don't contradict the other 4 Gosphels but they reveal more. Mary mags, is really really good . She was the closest to Christ. But she was a woman. and back than that kinda sucked. There are also other revelations. there interesting . One I believe it was Peters not sure been so long . That discribes a heaven like the one Mohammed discribes. Copy Cat . (Mohammed). There is so much that didn't get into the new testment its unbelievable. But a self proclaimed apostle named SAUL/PAUL who never new Christ basicly Owns most of the words written in the the New Testament.

Some would say like the HRCC that Saul/PAUL replaced Judas as the 12 Apostle. Not so . Only Christ could pick the Apostles. Why is peter missing from the new testament . If you read what he wrote you would understand, Trueth is the apostles Choose Mary Mag. to replace Judas and it is Peter that reveals that Jesus told him to choose Mary MAG.

Google see what you can find . I can't say a lot about it . Because its been 40 years since a read some of this stuff.

Yes I have read Mohammeds stuff. This is really funny shit. Read about the orginal Koran it will break you up. Talk about fairy tails this guy was a butcher. He also believed he was the prophet that ruled with an Iron rod. He copied half his stuff from the old testament and some from the New. Read on it. and you should see how he wrote the Koran . Seriously ya want good laugh read about it. Get this During Muhammad's life the Qur'an was not compiled as a complete codex. There was no collected, collated, arranged body of material of his revelations. Portions of it were written, but it did not exist as a complete book. Used twiggs string what ever to keep records . All his orginal work was destroyed before a copy was made. Ya right . There was no orginal copy . LOL Many Many believe he couldn't read or write . I think that maybe a stretch. But really researh the orginal Koran . You will walk away scratching head saying what the heck is this.

YA read JOEY Smith also . I really don't know what to make of Smith. There is just something about him. I mean seriously he did know so stuff no one else new and its not likely he made it up. Have to put big ?Marks by Smiths name.

So basicly New testment has the smell of Ceaser all over it . Koran was never completed and was destroyed befor a copy could be made of the orginal unfinished book .

JOE Smiths Book of Mormon is a puzzle.


And this is what men of been killing each others over for thousands of years. New testment that was assemled by non-christian ceaser. Koran that was never completed and destroyed befor a copy could be made,



Maybe now I see why Revelations of john said the Elete were 144,000 male virgin jews.

 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
and Satin is let loose again to tempt man .

There was only 1 Angle the first born of creation that could stand against Satin .

Your still going to have to spend 1000 years in Hell. Keep in mind Satin knows this.

Thats why at the end of the 1000 years .Satin is let loose from hell. Satin isn't locked away again . Satin is cast into the firery lake. In other Words Satin is destoyed . It is at this time All things are made new again.

:music:
Nights in white satin,
Never reaching the end,
Letters Ive written,
Never meaning to send.
:music:

Oh no! Satin is coming to kill us all! (I would much prefer Silk, but something tells me I have no choice...)
 

Nemesis 1

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I wrote it as my mind pronounced it I do it all the Time.

http://www.gnosis.org/library/marygosp.htm


http://www.gnosis.org/library/revpaul2.htm


http://www.allsaintssanfran.or...evelation_of_peter.htm


http://www.livius.org/pen-pg/peter/gospel_of_peter.html



So I did a google. Surprize me . I didn't think I would find on the Net, I am a little shocked. I mean I was told to be very careful with the Books I had.

These are all I googled . But I can tell ya . All the Apostles wrote Gosphels . Except Judas.


I haven't read these . But will do so latter I will let ya know how complete they are.
 

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Lifer
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Well I took the time to read these 4 links. So much is missing . I should say edited out .

But it does show what I was trying to get at .

Why does Saul/Paul a self proclaimed apostle . Get so much Print in the New Testament.

I am not trying to be disrespectful of christian faith. I am saying Satan has done his work well. THe Gosphels is really all that matter on this anyway, All that stuff Pauladds isn't allowed By Christ. Read what little of the MARY Mag. Gosphel their is. But notice what it says about adding to the teachings of Christ. Also how Christ got right down to the atomic level of things. Matter Does Matter . THis is Why Ceaser rejected her Gosphel and she didn't make it into the Big Book. It would have completely underminded the TEACHING OF SAUL/PAUL. Because It shows clearly PAUL added . He had a secret Agenda. THINK people. This is the same reason many other Gosphels were rejected by Ceaser.

I would tell more about Mary MAG . But I would have to do it from memory. I discovered this morning how dangerious that is. Earlier I said The Revelation of Peter discribe heaven and it was much like Mohammeds discription of Heaven . Well I got it mixed up. It was the revelation of Paul that discibes Mohammeds heaven. I wasn't thinking . Because I should have relized 2 false prophets would discribe the same heaven.

I don't mind Dishing PAUL at all fact is I am suppose toexpose him for what he is. But its danferious to say things untrue about the true apostles.

I wish I could talk more about mary mags Gosphel but doing so from memory wouldn't be right. I do know Have notes from Books I was Given And I have tried to find them . I believe I may have them at Mom and Dads Place.

What I can tell you is Mary mags Gosphel deals with things at a more scientific level.

Traps Have Been set and many have been caught up in them.

Mohammed was a Butcher and so was the HRCC. and this Goes against Christ teachings. Read UP on Dogma.

Good luck and may Christ open your mind to the Trueth.

 

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Oh I forgot for people who don't believe in God I am not supporting your beliefs. I cann't say I blame ya for rejecting a lie either= Paul . I don't know were you would stand on this if the trueth would not have been hidden from you By Ceaser=HRCC. Paul in a Chess board figure would be Ceasers Q. By the Way The HRCC has all the Gosphels intact .
 

daniel1113

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Originally posted by: bignateyk
But the real question is: how many Christians have actually studied the bible. I'm guessing not a whole hell of a lot if the common perception of such a core belief is wrong.

This always confused me. You would think these people would be pretty intent on reading the Bible since they believe it is the word of god. How could you not want to read what your creator has to say (assuming you believe in it already)?
 

MillionaireNextDoor

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Knowing WHO's saying it is often more important than what is said: the liberal Time magazine. IMHO, stereotypes should be abolished.

Originally posted by: timosyy
That title is rather broad/stereotypical. More like "Catholics" wrong about heaven, if anything...

I mean jeez, learn2read Revelation? What he's saying is nothing new, its written pretty clearly in Revelation, and one of the points that makes Christianity unique- that God is coming to redeem THIS earth, not that the world just goes to hell and all Christians go to some floaty place in the sky. Strange. It's what should prompt Christians to actually care about what happens to this earth as a whole, moreso than other religions which are more or less concerned with saving the individual soul.

"...And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, 'Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and by their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. THere will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.'" -Revelation 21:3-4

If this is "new", some people really need to take reading comprehension classes.

Edit: I'm just irked because this is a pretty obvious/core belief of Christianity yet the way the article portrays it this is supposed to be some mind-blowing new way to look at life and Christians have been "wrong" all this time. Grats to the Bishop on actually reading Revelation, I guess.

 

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The Gospel According to Mary Magdalene
Chapter 4
(Pages 1 to 6 of the manuscript, containing chapters 1 - 3, are lost. The extant text starts on page 7...)

. . . Will matter then be destroyed or not?

22) The Savior said, All nature, all formations, all creatures exist in and with one another, and they will be resolved again into their own roots.

23) For the nature of matter is resolved into the roots of its own nature alone.

24) He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

25) Peter said to him, Since you have explained everything to us, tell us this also: What is the sin of the world?

26) The Savior said There is no sin, but it is you who make sin when you do the things that are like the nature of adultery, which is called sin.

27) That is why the Good came into your midst, to the essence of every nature in order to restore it to its root.

28) Then He continued and said, That is why you become sick and die, for you are deprived of the one who can heal you.

29) He who has a mind to understand, let him understand.

30) Matter gave birth to a passion that has no equal, which proceeded from something contrary to nature. Then there arises a disturbance in its whole body.

31) That is why I said to you, Be of good courage, and if you are discouraged be encouraged in the presence of the different forms of nature.

32) He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

33) When the Blessed One had said this, He greeted them all,saying, Peace be with you. Receive my peace unto yourselves.

34) Beware that no one lead you astray saying Lo here or lo there! For the Son of Man is within you.

35) Follow after Him!

36) Those who seek Him will find Him.

37) Go then and preach the gospel of the Kingdom.

38) Do not lay down any rules beyond what I appointed you, and do not give a law like the lawgiver lest you be constrained by it.

39) When He said this He departed.


Chapter 5
1) But they were grieved. They wept greatly, saying, How shall we go to the Gentiles and preach the gospel of the Kingdom of the Son of Man? If they did not spare Him, how will they spare us?

2) Then Mary stood up, greeted them all, and said to her brethren, Do not weep and do not grieve nor be irresolute, for His grace will be entirely with you and will protect you.

3) But rather, let us praise His greatness, for He has prepared us and made us into Men.

4) When Mary said this, she turned their hearts to the Good, and they began to discuss the words of the Savior.

5) Peter said to Mary, Sister we know that the Savior loved you more than the rest of woman.

6) Tell us the words of the Savior which you remember which you know, but we do not, nor have we heard them.

7) Mary answered and said, What is hidden from you I will proclaim to you.

8) And she began to speak to them these words: I, she said, I saw the Lord in a vision and I said to Him, Lord I saw you today in a vision. He answered and said to me,

9) Blessed are you that you did not waver at the sight of Me. For where the mind is there is the treasure.

10) I said to Him, Lord, how does he who sees the vision see it, through the soul or through the spirit?

11) The Savior answered and said, He does not see through the soul nor through the spirit, but the mind that is between the two that is what sees the vision and it is [...]

(pages 11 - 14 are missing from the manuscript)


Chapter 8:
. . . it.

10) And desire said, I did not see you descending, but now I see you ascending. Why do you lie since you belong to me?

11) The soul answered and said, I saw you. You did not see me nor recognize me. I served you as a garment and you did not know me.

12) When it said this, it (the soul) went away rejoicing greatly.

13) Again it came to the third power, which is called ignorance.

14) The power questioned the soul, saying, Where are you going? In wickedness are you bound. But you are bound; do not judge!

15) And the soul said, Why do you judge me, although I have not judged?

16) I was bound, though I have not bound.

17) I was not recognized. But I have recognized that the All is being dissolved, both the earthly things and the heavenly.

18) When the soul had overcome the third power, it went upwards and saw the fourth power, which took seven forms.

19) The first form is darkness, the second desire, the third ignorance, the fourth is the excitement of death, the fifth is the kingdom of the flesh, the sixth is the foolish wisdom of flesh, the seventh is the wrathful wisdom. These are the seven powers of wrath.

20) They asked the soul, Whence do you come slayer of men, or where are you going, conqueror of space?

21) The soul answered and said, What binds me has been slain, and what turns me about has been overcome,

22) and my desire has been ended, and ignorance has died.

23) In a aeon I was released from a world, and in a Type from a type, and from the fetter of oblivion which is transient.

24) From this time on will I attain to the rest of the time, of the season, of the aeon, in silence.


Chapter 9
1) When Mary had said this, she fell silent, since it was to this point that the Savior had spoken with her.

2) But Andrew answered and said to the brethren, Say what you wish to say about what she has said. I at least do not believe that the Savior said this. For certainly these teachings are strange ideas.

3) Peter answered and spoke concerning these same things.

4) He questioned them about the Savior: Did He really speak privately with a woman and not openly to us? Are we to turn about and all listen to her? Did He prefer her to us?

5) Then Mary wept and said to Peter, My brother Peter, what do you think? Do you think that I have thought this up myself in my heart, or that I am lying about the Savior?

6) Levi answered and said to Peter, Peter you have always been hot tempered.

7) Now I see you contending against the woman like the adversaries.

8) But if the Savior made her worthy, who are you indeed to reject her? Surely the Savior knows her very well.

9) That is why He loved her more than us. Rather let us be ashamed and put on the perfect Man, and separate as He commanded us and preach the gospel, not laying down any other rule or other law beyond what the Savior said.

10) And when they heard this they began to go forth to proclaim and to preach.

 

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You people continue to surprize me, No replys. Ya I read view numbers. This is a very very good thing. Iam pleased. Not trying to discredit anyone but Paul and any other false prophets seems to be correct method for attacking a lie. Non believers and believers alike
seem to have run out of bullets. It is a differant perspective I have offered . It really helps when you can present some facts that support both sides views. Nice to know forgiveness is for all isn't it. All but Satan.
 

3NF

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Rael's Comment in bold.

"God will download our software onto his hardware until the time he gives us new hardware to run the software again for ourselves." ... that's not so far from the truth... finally a Christian Bishop is coming close to the truth ... especially when he reminds everybody of the intermediary Greek translation/adaptation/betrayal of the original Message...
 

IEC

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Originally posted by: BudAshes
Originally posted by: uhohs
Originally posted by: BudAshes
Saying Christians are wrong about heaven is like saying Tolkien was wrong about middle earth. Its all fantasy.

go back to wallowing in your childlike wonder at the beauty of nature.
kthx.

I will, thanks. What are you going to do? Wallow in your own pessimism?

I was thinking roasting some trolls after popping a few .357 lapua rounds into them.
 

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Mods remove the post Above this one. I copied it and sent to FBI terroristic threats are illegeal. You sir stepped over the line . I hope they remove your right to be on the internet, I don't know or care who you were trying to scare but it didn't work.


Quote.

I was thinking roasting some trolls after popping a few .357 lapua rounds into them.
 

PottedMeat

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Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: Eli
I can't believe someone has put so much thought into trying to figure out our world based on the words in a 2,000 year old book.....

:laugh:
In another 2000 years, the I Can Has Cheezburger website will be revered as an ancient sacred text of some sort.

That, or the 4chan archives. :Q



That sounds like a horrible, horrible world. I hope we destroy ourselves before then.



Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Mods remove the post Above this one. I copied it and sent to FBI terroristic threats are illegeal. You sir stepped over the line . I hope they remove your right to be on the internet, I don't know or care who you were trying to scare but it didn't work.


Quote.

I was thinking roasting some trolls after popping a few .357 lapua rounds into them.


ROFLTASTIC!

 
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