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Jeff7

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Part of the reason I might say "Christmas" is because I don't feel like having to take the time then to explain Solstice/Festivus/Yule/Meat-Pasta-Beer Orgy.

"Happy holidays" or "Enjoy the holiday" works just as well though.
 

jlee

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Christmas has become the "Great Merchant Holiday."

Every year, it's less and less about "The birth of Christ" and more and more about "Buy, Buy, BUY!"

To me, it's funny as hell to see so many "Religion is phony," "I worship the Great Flying Spaghetti Monster," "I'm an atheist" people talking about what they're getting/doing for Christmas.
If you don't believe in Christ...you shouldn't be celebrating Christmas.

Can we still celebrate Easter if we don't believe in bunnies?
 

ShawnD1

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Every year, it's less and less about "The birth of Christ" and more and more about "Buy, Buy, BUY!"

To me, it's funny as hell to see so many "Religion is phony," "I worship the Great Flying Spaghetti Monster," "I'm an atheist" people talking about what they're getting/doing for Christmas.
If you don't believe in Christ...you shouldn't be celebrating Christmas.

Actually, nowhere in the bible does it indicate that Jesus was born in December. Most of the time indicators point to Jesus being born in spring. Little things like having shepherds out in the fields with their sheep. Sheep are mostly kept inside during fall/winter because that's the cold and rainy season.
The bible also states that Jesus was born about 6 months after john the baptist. Elizabeth conceived John when her husband Zacharias finished his tour of duty at the temple which was the course of abia which is in february. John being conceived in February means he was born in November. Jesus was born 6 months later, around may.
The bible also mentions that king Herod ordered people back to their city of origin for the sake of a census. Censuses at the time were generally taken after the rainy season, in spring.

So why December 25? The winter solstice happens around December 21 to 23. Every culture already celebrates the winter solstice, so people more readily accept Christianity if its celebrations happen at the same time or if the celebrations are tacked on to the end of existing celebrations.
Easter is a pagan celebration as well. We don't remember the resurrection of Jesus as much as we remember the Easter Bunny. The Easter Bunny is a pagan symbol of fertility because bunnies multiply like crazy.
 

BoomerD

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Actually, nowhere in the bible does it indicate that Jesus was born in December. Most of the time indicators point to Jesus being born in spring. Little things like having shepherds out in the fields with their sheep. Sheep are mostly kept inside during fall/winter because that's the cold and rainy season.
The bible also states that Jesus was born about 6 months after john the baptist. Elizabeth conceived John when her husband Zacharias finished his tour of duty at the temple which was the course of abia which is in february. John being conceived in February means he was born in November. Jesus was born 6 months later, around may.
The bible also mentions that king Herod ordered people back to their city of origin for the sake of a census. Censuses at the time were generally taken after the rainy season, in spring.

So why December 25? The winter solstice happens around December 21 to 23. Every culture already celebrates the winter solstice, so people more readily accept Christianity if its celebrations happen at the same time or if the celebrations are tacked on to the end of existing celebrations.
Easter is a pagan celebration as well. We don't remember the resurrection of Jesus as much as we remember the Easter Bunny. The Easter Bunny is a pagan symbol of fertility because bunnies multiply like crazy.


No shit, Sherlock...even I mentioned that earlier...


While I tend to agree that Christmas time isn't really "The birthday of Christ," but rather a season that was taken by the early Christians because of the Festivus celebration, Christmas as celebrated IS about Christ...or it's SUPPOSED to be, anyway.
If you don't celebrate Christmas as the birth of Christ, stop celebrating CHRISTMAS and start wishing everyone a "Happy YuleTide," or "Merry Festivus," or make up your own holiday name.
"Ramen to you all."

Or...<gasp> Happy Holidays.
 

irishScott

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ignoring any beef you may have with the Catholic church or the Pope, would using a holiday to think about the problems facing the world rather than just buying shit really be such a made thing?

Wouldn't be bad at all. I was just taking a little poke at his statement that rediscovery of faith will solve all our problems. Even 2 centuries ago the world was extremely religious in some form or other, as progress continued we have gotten more secular. Even the religions have gotten more secular and less intrusive into our lives. Almost every modern, successful government is secular by law.

Religion and faith are all well and good in the hands of the right individual, but most people don't have the intellect or desire to see much more than an X000 year old instruction manual. Some of it is still relevant, and some of it is hopelessly obsolete in the modern era. When you follow the instruction manual to the letter and don't work around the obsolete parts, bad things tend to happen. At the very least it discourages creativity and independent thought, and I don't think we've seen the worst yet. (I'm convinced that sometime, even if not in my lifetime, some radical suicide-bomber idiots will get a nuke and use it). Current examples of what I'm talking about can be seen in such issues as Gay Marriage, no-sex-before-marriage, and the religious argument for pro-life (For the record I actually lean towards pro-life myself; but for moral regions, not religious ones).

What most of the world needs is less faith and more secular education.
 

Dumac

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Christmas has become the "Great Merchant Holiday."

Every year, it's less and less about "The birth of Christ" and more and more about "Buy, Buy, BUY!"

To me, it's funny as hell to see so many "Religion is phony," "I worship the Great Flying Spaghetti Monster," "I'm an atheist" people talking about what they're getting/doing for Christmas.
If you don't believe in Christ...you shouldn't be celebrating Christmas.

Bullshit. Christmas has nothing to do with Christ necessarily outside of name.

Just like cheesecake

I will continue to dilute the meaning of Christmas even more, and you will deal with it.
 
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Jeff7

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Wouldn't be bad at all. I was just taking a little poke at his statement that rediscovery of faith will solve all our problems. Even 2 centuries ago the world was extremely religious in some form or other, as progress continued we have gotten more secular. Even the religions have gotten more secular and less intrusive into our lives. Almost every modern, successful government is secular by law.
Faith: I'm going to blindly make an assumption and hold to it, despite overwhelming real-world evidence to the contrary. Normally, this would be considered to be a sign of a mental disorder. Instead, it's been turned into a positive attribute. (Unless you claim that you hear God talking to you. Then you get locked away.)
There are four lights.




Religion and faith are all well and good in the hands of the right individual, but most people don't have the intellect or desire to see much more than an X000 year old instruction manual. Some of it is still relevant, and some of it is hopelessly obsolete in the modern era.
...
The repair manual for my car is 1200 pages.
You'd think that the user manual for the Universe would have been a tiny bit more substantial - or else the Bible is using some damned impressive multi-dimensional compression scheme. Super decoder ring not included.
 

Aharami

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sounds about right. in most cases, Christmas is just an orgy of capitalism.

I mean it when I tell my family/friends that I don't want anything. donate the money to a local charity. or, hell... instead of spending 3 hours of your wages on me, spend 3 hours volunteering somewhere.

I think next year, I'm not going to do gifts for anyone except my nieces. I've just been feeling really disgusted by the whole process this year. I think I'm just going to make donations to charities in people's names and let them whine that they didn't get some shitty movie on bluray.
:thumbsup:
 

SSSnail

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Replace Christmas with religions and you have my vote. Have you seen the ridiculous costumes and pageantries that these people engage in? And the hats, OMG the hats. ROFL worthy.
 

LumbergTech

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ignoring any beef you may have with the Catholic church or the Pope, would using a holiday to think about the problems facing the world rather than just buying shit really be such a made thing?

yes, yes it would..we have all year to worry about that shit...are you trying to say for one fucking day people cant enjoy themselves and not sit around feeling guilty about shit?

there are endless opportunities to think about problems facing the world

you could include plenty of charity in the holiday if you desire, but the whole point of holidays like xmas is to bring up peoples spirits ...which tends to make them more generous etc
 

911paramedic

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I saw this same blurb on reddit yesterday(?) and thought it was pretty funny. I do think he was talking more about the spirit of Christmas and the religious meaning.
 

TakeNoPrisoners

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I don't see anything wrong with Christmas being superficial and glittery.

It is a holiday, I want to live a little, and I don't feel any guilt about that either.
 
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For the anti-capitalist whiners, watch this:
http://www.amazon.com/World-Peace/dp/B002DQ11MA

You want peace on Earth and good will towards men? The best way to that is via trade, so the commercialization of Christmas is doing more for making peace a reality than praying and thinking about the birth of some zombie bastard from thousands of years ago.

I'm still baffled how other people celebrating something in any way affects how you do it, so I really don't understand the whining about "this holiday isn't about what its supposed to be about" when you're the one in control of that. Don't like the commercialization of Christmas then stay at home, setup your manger, and spend all your time thinking about "the true meaning of Christmas" and give us the gift of saving us from your whining about your usurped holiday being usurped. Hope you don't partake in any of the capitalist movement to abolish Christmas, like the Charlie Brown special, or the ABC/NBC/CBS/etc Holiday Special brought to you by __________ on a big flat panel TV with surround sound and Nabisco Chips Ahoy for Santa (or maybe you made it from scratch, using Toll House chips and C&H sugar).

As for the original topic, of course as usual the Catholic church is trying to lead the way with their blatant hypocrisy. Maybe if he wasn't saying that while sitting on a gilded throne in a massive palace it wouldn't ring so hollow. Oh, I'm sorry, maybe he's on a globetrotting trip riding around in bulletproof armored cars languishing the fact he can't let everyone kiss his ring.
 

Lonbjerg

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For the anti-capitalist whiners, watch this:
http://www.amazon.com/World-Peace/dp/B002DQ11MA

You want peace on Earth and good will towards men? The best way to that is via trade, so the commercialization of Christmas is doing more for making peace a reality than praying and thinking about the birth of some zombie bastard from thousands of years ago.

I'm still baffled how other people celebrating something in any way affects how you do it, so I really don't understand the whining about "this holiday isn't about what its supposed to be about" when you're the one in control of that. Don't like the commercialization of Christmas then stay at home, setup your manger, and spend all your time thinking about "the true meaning of Christmas" and give us the gift of saving us from your whining about your usurped holiday being usurped. Hope you don't partake in any of the capitalist movement to abolish Christmas, like the Charlie Brown special, or the ABC/NBC/CBS/etc Holiday Special brought to you by __________ on a big flat panel TV with surround sound and Nabisco Chips Ahoy for Santa (or maybe you made it from scratch, using Toll House chips and C&H sugar).

As for the original topic, of course as usual the Catholic church is trying to lead the way with their blatant hypocrisy. Maybe if he wasn't saying that while sitting on a gilded throne in a massive palace it wouldn't ring so hollow. Oh, I'm sorry, maybe he's on a globetrotting trip riding around in bulletproof armored cars languishing the fact he can't let everyone kiss his ring.

Gifts were part of Yule before capitalism was invented...go open a history book.
What is next?

Coca-Cola invented Julemanden (Odin, you call him Santa Claus)...
 

sourceninja

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My favorite part about Xmas is watching christians get offended when I don't say Merry Xmas. They say "Merry Xmas" and I say "Have a good holiday" or something similar, and they go on rants about how Xmas is being stolen from them by "insert social group here" and how offended they are by "Happy holidays".

Never mind the fact they just assume because I'm white I must be a christian and must just be brainwashed to say happy holidays. I'm trying to be polite, next year I'm going to just start witnessing atheism to them on the spot.
 

yoyomamama

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I went to buy some booze last Friday, surprised to find the liquor shop was so crowded they made lines to got get the booze and checkout at the cashier. Guess people were more interested in drinking through the long weekend than going to the mass on the Christmas eve.
 

ShawnD1

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I went to buy some booze last Friday, surprised to find the liquor shop was so crowded they made lines to got get the booze and checkout at the cashier. Guess people were more interested in drinking through the long weekend than going to the mass on the Christmas eve.

This happened to me too! Went to the liquor store on Friday because I was buying the vodka in a glass skull as a gift for someone. The liquor store was packed. I've never seen that many people in a liquor store before.
 

Apple Of Sodom

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How people feel during Christmas is wholly due to their own mind. I love Christmas and giving presents. I expect nothing, and I don't expect people to expect things of me. I like the season, food, music, decorations, being with family, end of the year, etc.

If you believe Christmas is too commercialized then don't participate, plain and simple.
 

Todd33

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Gifts were part of Yule before capitalism was invented...go open a history book.
What is next?

Coca-Cola invented Julemanden (Odin, you call him Santa Claus)...

Not sure if being serious or facetious. :hmm:

How people feel during Christmas is wholly due to their own mind. I love Christmas and giving presents. I expect nothing, and I don't expect people to expect things of me. I like the season, food, music, decorations, being with family, end of the year, etc.

If you believe Christmas is too commercialized then don't participate, plain and simple.

Much better said and with more holiday cheer, but this is basically what I was saying.
 
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ImpulsE69

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So...wait...Christmas is a religious holiday? All these years I thought it was something Walmart thought up to cover that time from the Halloween to Valentines day (which was made up by the card companies). Speaking of which I still need to get my pooping Santa.
 

destrekor

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Christmas has become the "Great Merchant Holiday."

Every year, it's less and less about "The birth of Christ" and more and more about "Buy, Buy, BUY!"

To me, it's funny as hell to see so many "Religion is phony," "I worship the Great Flying Spaghetti Monster," "I'm an atheist" people talking about what they're getting/doing for Christmas.
If you don't believe in Christ...you shouldn't be celebrating Christmas.

Christmas is merely returning to the roots of the classic Winter Solstice celebration - something that has basically existed since the dawn of organized civilization.

It's typically been marked by excessive partying, more "sinful" behavior, and simply a gluttony of entertainment and enjoyment to celebrate basically life itself but with special attention payed to some sort of deity (deities).

I mean, Christmas is far from a single-day celebration event.
Gifts for youth are a major expense, but other than that, major deals also see a lot of buying for self too.
That was me this season.

Christmas Day, to me, is merely a day (two/three days even, as we can add Christmas Eve and sometimes a White Elephant party the 23rd too) filled with a lot of laughter and time with family and friends I don't see as often. Plus, they are the specific days different gifts are traded. Aside from calling it "Christmas" and the merry wishes for other people, I in no way celebrate Christmas itself nor do I believe in the specific religious roots tied to the holiday. I do however celebrate the general time of year and find I enjoy this part of the year far more than any other moment in winter (if you include the New Year celebrations in this general time-frame).
 
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