Christmas should be removed as a holiday.

[SagaLore]

I don't watch much TV; I rarely have it on. The first time in awhile I watched a few shows, and with them saw some of the holiday commericals they're showing.

The theme of these commercials have gotten worse, and its pissing me off. Buy this for your kids, it will make them happy! Tell your parents you want this, because its Christmas! Some Christians are blaming "Santa", but he was always about giving and sharing a brief moment of happiness with needy children. Now most of the commercials are mocking Santa because the stores can do so much better.

Sorry ladies and gentlemen, Christmas is no longer about Christ, Santa is no longer the mascot. Its 100% pure marketing now. There is no joy left. There is no meaning. I see the same thing happening to Valentine's day, Easter, and Halloween. I'm quite happy that Thanksgiving has been left fairly untarnished since it doesn't involve buying gifts or candy for everyone.

I now declare Christmas dead. It should be renamed Giftmas. We can move Christ Mass to another day and let the secular community enjoy their holiday of material values. :|

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: SagaLore
I don't watch much TV; I rarely have it on. The first time in awhile I watched a few shows, and with them saw some of the holiday commericals they're showing.

The theme of these commercials haven't gotten worse, and its pissing me off. Buy this for your kids, it will make them happy! Tell your parents you want this, because its Christmas! Some Christians are blaming "Santa", but he was always about giving and sharing a brief moment of happiness with needy children. Now most of the commercials are mocking Santa because the stores can do so much better.

Sorry ladies and gentlemen, Christmas is no longer about Christ, Santa is no longer the mascot. Its 100% pure marketing now. There is no joy left. There is no meaning. I see the same thing happening to Valentine's day, Easter, and Halloween. I'm quite happy that Thangsgiving has been left fairly untarnished since it doesn't involve buying gifts or candy for everyone.

I now declare Christmas dead. It should be renamed Giftmas. We can move Christ Mass to another day and let the secular community enjoy their holiday of material values. :|

Bahahahahahahaha :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[Amused]

A holiday is what YOU make of it. If you're allowing outside influences to shape your world, may I suggest reevaluating how you live your life?

 

[Queasy]

Tell that to my 4-year old who is excited about putting up the Christmas Tree and decorations around the house.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: SagaLore
I don't watch much TV; I rarely have it on. The first time in awhile I watched a few shows, and with them saw some of the holiday commericals they're showing.

The theme of these commercials haven't gotten worse, and its pissing me off. Buy this for your kids, it will make them happy! Tell your parents you want this, because its Christmas! Some Christians are blaming "Santa", but he was always about giving and sharing a brief moment of happiness with needy children. Now most of the commercials are mocking Santa because the stores can do so much better.

Sorry ladies and gentlemen, Christmas is no longer about Christ, Santa is no longer the mascot. Its 100% pure marketing now. There is no joy left. There is no meaning. I see the same thing happening to Valentine's day, Easter, and Halloween. I'm quite happy that Thangsgiving has been left fairly untarnished since it doesn't involve buying gifts or candy for everyone.

I now declare Christmas dead. It should be renamed Giftmas. We can move Christ Mass to another day and let the secular community enjoy their holiday of material values. :|

Christmas is what you make it by your actions and deeds and how you keep it in your heart and family. All the rest is just retailing.

 

[Hyperblaze]

Now you see why I get so grumpy around Christmas. I hate the commericalization aspect of Christmas.

Christmas is about being around family and loved ones. It was originally about the birth of Jesus Christ, but anyone who actually thinks that Jesus Christ was born on December 25 is just uninformed.

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: SagaLore
I don't watch much TV; I rarely have it on. The first time in awhile I watched a few shows, and with them saw some of the holiday commericals they're showing.

The theme of these commercials haven't gotten worse, and its pissing me off. Buy this for your kids, it will make them happy! Tell your parents you want this, because its Christmas! Some Christians are blaming "Santa", but he was always about giving and sharing a brief moment of happiness with needy children. Now most of the commercials are mocking Santa because the stores can do so much better.

Sorry ladies and gentlemen, Christmas is no longer about Christ, Santa is no longer the mascot. Its 100% pure marketing now. There is no joy left. There is no meaning. I see the same thing happening to Valentine's day, Easter, and Halloween. I'm quite happy that Thangsgiving has been left fairly untarnished since it doesn't involve buying gifts or candy for everyone.

I now declare Christmas dead. It should be renamed Giftmas. We can move Christ Mass to another day and let the secular community enjoy their holiday of material values. :|

Christmas is what you make it by your actions and deeds and how you keep it in your heart and family. All the rest is just retailing.

It sucks how the parking lots of the shopping center are just filled up in December. When you just need to buy your every-day supplies.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
Now you see why I get so grumpy around Christmas. I hate the commericalization aspect of Christmas.

Christmas is about being around family and loved ones. It was originally about the birth of Jesus Christ, but anyone who actually thinks that Jesus Christ was born on December 25 is just uninformed.

Christmas was stolen dude.

 

[Soccerman06]

Originally posted by: SagaLore
I don't watch much TV; I rarely have it on. The first time in awhile I watched a few shows, and with them saw some of the holiday commericals they're showing.

The theme of these commercials have gotten worse, and its pissing me off. Buy this for your kids, it will make them happy! Tell your parents you want this, because its Christmas! Some Christians are blaming "Santa", but he was always about giving and sharing a brief moment of happiness with needy children. Now most of the commercials are mocking Santa because the stores can do so much better.

Sorry ladies and gentlemen, Christmas is no longer about Christ, Santa is no longer the mascot. Its 100% pure marketing now. There is no joy left. There is no meaning. I see the same thing happening to Valentine's day, Easter, and Halloween. I'm quite happy that Thanksgiving has been left fairly untarnished since it doesn't involve buying gifts or candy for everyone.

I now declare Christmas dead. It should be renamed Giftmas. We can move Christ Mass to another day and let the secular community enjoy their holiday of material values. :|

What ever happened to that revolutionary engine that you were designing?

 

[6StringSamurai]

Originally posted by: SagaLore
Christmas is no longer about Christ|

And it never was.

Christmas has its origins in several pagan holidays. The celebration known as Saturnalia included the making and giving of small presents (saturnalia et sigillaricia). This holiday was observed over a series of days beginning on December 17 (the birthday of Saturn) and ending on December 25 (the birthday of Sol Invictus, the "unconquered sun"). The combined festivals resulted in an extended winter holiday season. Business was postponed and even slaves feasted. There was drinking, gambling, and singing, and nudity was relatively common. It was the "best of days," according to the poet Catullus.

During the time in which Christianity was spreading throughout the Roman Empire, another similar religion known as Mithraism was also gaining widespread acceptance. The followers of Mithraism worshipped Mithras, a god of Persian origin, who was identified with Sol Invictus. [citation needed] The followers of Mithraism, consequently, adopted the birthday of Sol Invictus as the birthday of Mithras. In 274 AD, due to the popularity of Mithraism, Emperor Aurelian designated December 25 as the festival of Sol Invictus.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Amused
A holiday is what YOU make of it. If you're allowing outside influences to shape your world, may I suggest reevaluating how you live your life?

Oh don't get me wrong, I don't let it influence the way I celebrate Christmas with my family. I'm just looking at the bigger picture of society. Its a good reminder why I don't watch much TV.

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
Now you see why I get so grumpy around Christmas. I hate the commericalization aspect of Christmas.

Christmas is about being around family and loved ones. It was originally about the birth of Jesus Christ, but anyone who actually thinks that Jesus Christ was born on December 25 is just uninformed.

Right, which is why it should be renamed to Giftmas. Personally I think January 1st would make a better celebration of the birth of Christ, since its a fresh new year. Of course everyone would be suffering from hangovers while trying to attend church service.

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: SagaLore
I don't watch much TV; I rarely have it on. The first time in awhile I watched a few shows, and with them saw some of the holiday commericals they're showing.

The theme of these commercials have gotten worse, and its pissing me off. Buy this for your kids, it will make them happy! Tell your parents you want this, because its Christmas! Some Christians are blaming "Santa", but he was always about giving and sharing a brief moment of happiness with needy children. Now most of the commercials are mocking Santa because the stores can do so much better.

Sorry ladies and gentlemen, Christmas is no longer about Christ, Santa is no longer the mascot. Its 100% pure marketing now. There is no joy left. There is no meaning. I see the same thing happening to Valentine's day, Easter, and Halloween. I'm quite happy that Thanksgiving has been left fairly untarnished since it doesn't involve buying gifts or candy for everyone.

I now declare Christmas dead. It should be renamed Giftmas. We can move Christ Mass to another day and let the secular community enjoy their holiday of material values. :|

It's not the media's fault; it's the parent's responsibility. For me Christmas is a time to get together with family, exchange gifts, and create memories. Those "Christians who are blaming Santa" should blame themselves for not being better parents. There are roughly 15,000 murders in the US each year; does that mean that life is hopeless and that eventually you will become a murderer? If you only look at Christmas from a media standpoint, of course it's going to be all about making money. Any company's goal is to make money and they do that by selling a product that will make you happy, attractive, and help you win the respect and friendship of those around you. And make you cool. If the commercials tick you off, turn off the TV and go volunteer at the local shelter.

 

[lokiju]

Originally posted by: Amused
A holiday is what YOU make of it.

QFT, I don't give a shyte about those commercials or what others try and tell me Christmas should be, I do it the way I see fit, not the way some company does.

NO FATE BUT WHAT WE MAKE!

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: 6StringSamurai

Originally posted by: SagaLore
Christmas is no longer about Christ|

And it never was.

Christmas has its origins in several pagan holidays. The celebration known as Saturnalia included the making and giving of small presents (saturnalia et sigillaricia). This holiday was observed over a series of days beginning on December 17 (the birthday of Saturn) and ending on December 25 (the birthday of Sol Invictus, the "unconquered sun"). The combined festivals resulted in an extended winter holiday season. Business was postponed and even slaves feasted. There was drinking, gambling, and singing, and nudity was relatively common. It was the "best of days," according to the poet Catullus.

During the time in which Christianity was spreading throughout the Roman Empire, another similar religion known as Mithraism was also gaining widespread acceptance. The followers of Mithraism worshipped Mithras, a god of Persian origin, who was identified with Sol Invictus. [citation needed] The followers of Mithraism, consequently, adopted the birthday of Sol Invictus as the birthday of Mithras. In 274 AD, due to the popularity of Mithraism, Emperor Aurelian designated December 25 as the festival of Sol Invictus.

Thats cool. But thats the festival of Sol Invictus, not Christmas. Just because they're both the 25th doesn't make them the same celebration.

 

[j00fek]

Originally posted by: Amused
A holiday is what YOU make of it. If you're allowing outside influences to shape your world, may I suggest reevaluating how you live your life?

QFT

 

[moshquerade]

Don't worry.... be happy.

I agree with Amused - the holidays are totally what you make them. To get into the real spirit of things, do some extra volunteer work around the holidays or donate to your local food pantry, etc. The true meaning of Christmas to me is giving, not receiving. Go out and give of yourself.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Don't worry, with the growing trend to bend over and let the minority complain and get everything changed, in about 10-15 years Christmas will only be celebrated inside of Churches, if any are left.

 

[Scarpozzi]

What a buzzkill.

I don't care that they're trying to market to me on TV, I don't watch all that much and certainly don't make buying decisions based on commercials. I usually buy Xmas presents for a small circle of family and friends and I do it, not to show them that I love them, but because I love them. It's selfish, but giving is gratifying to me and this is the one time of year I don't mind shelling out a little cash to fullfill my need and try to make Xmas special. I remember when I was growing up how it felt to get something I really wanted.

Last Xmas for instance, I got my fiance' the Sex and the City Box Gift Set. She's watched all of the DVDs and it was the last gift she opened....She didn't ask for it, I didn't get it because of advertisements...I got it because I knew she would like it.

Christmas, to me, is about being with family and rituals of giving gifts. I don't particularly care what it is to other people. And half of the fun is going out the day before Xmas and getting stocking stuffers from CVS and Walmart.

 

[ForumMaster]

most of these holidays are invented or atleast modified to make a commercial holiday. all the companies want is more and more money. and christmas has become what any company would want: another source of revenue.

 

[scttgrd]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Tell that to my 4-year old who is excited about putting up the Christmas Tree and decorations around the house.

And that is the enjoyable part of christmas. My 4 year old can't even think of anything to ask santa for, but she knows exactly how she wants us to decorate the house. And i'll be playing chrismas music everyday till christmas at her request. Hell we might spend $100 on her this year and maybe another $30-50 for her birthday on the 26th. She just wants the lights, tree, music and christmas shows we recorded last year. This time of year is wonderfull.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Amused
A holiday is what YOU make of it. If you're allowing outside influences to shape your world, may I suggest reevaluating how you live your life?

Harsh advice, but it is true.

OP, it is only in your mindset/attitude and actions that determine who you are and what you do. Outside influence cannot shape how you enjoy Christmas.

Of course, I understand your frustration, but getting angry and seperating yourself from others is not really a good action/response to this. That only alienates and causes more pain.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: scttgrd

Originally posted by: Queasy
Tell that to my 4-year old who is excited about putting up the Christmas Tree and decorations around the house.

And that is the enjoyable part of christmas. My 4 year old can't even think of anything to ask santa for, but she knows exactly how she wants us to decorate the house. And i'll be playing chrismas music everyday till christmas at her request. Hell we might spend $100 on her this year and maybe another $30-50 for her birthday on the 26th. She just wants the lights, tree, music and christmas shows we recorded last year. This time of year is wonderfull.

I can't wait to have a family.

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

I now declare Christmas dead. It should be renamed Giftmas. We can move Christ Mass to another day and let the secular community enjoy their holiday of material values. :|

As someone who could be defined as a secularist, I object to being held responsible for the commercialisation of holidays. Christians are in the majority sucker, they're the ones buying into the commercial hype, and making holidays about profit.

<anti-consumerist
<Kids don't watch commercial television
<teaches them that Christmas is a christian holiday about a hope and Santa is the embodiment of the spirit of giving.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: 6StringSamurai

Originally posted by: SagaLore
Christmas is no longer about Christ|

And it never was.

Christmas has its origins in several pagan holidays. The celebration known as Saturnalia included the making and giving of small presents (saturnalia et sigillaricia). This holiday was observed over a series of days beginning on December 17 (the birthday of Saturn) and ending on December 25 (the birthday of Sol Invictus, the "unconquered sun"). The combined festivals resulted in an extended winter holiday season. Business was postponed and even slaves feasted. There was drinking, gambling, and singing, and nudity was relatively common. It was the "best of days," according to the poet Catullus.

During the time in which Christianity was spreading throughout the Roman Empire, another similar religion known as Mithraism was also gaining widespread acceptance. The followers of Mithraism worshipped Mithras, a god of Persian origin, who was identified with Sol Invictus. [citation needed] The followers of Mithraism, consequently, adopted the birthday of Sol Invictus as the birthday of Mithras. In 274 AD, due to the popularity of Mithraism, Emperor Aurelian designated December 25 as the festival of Sol Invictus.

Thats cool. But thats the festival of Sol Invictus, not Christmas. Just because they're both the 25th doesn't make them the same celebration.

But Christmas has its origins from Sol Invictus. That is the point. Again, it isn't the same holiday if you don't make it the same holiday in how you conduct yourself, or in how you think/attitude. This goes with anything though.

There is nothing wrong with celebrating Christ's birth on Dec. 25th, but to actually totally believe that that was the actual date of his conception is misinformed IMO. Actually there is more evidence for a birth around Easter during one of the Jewish holidays.

 

[nakedfrog]

So... is anyone else waiting for SagaLore to come upon a Christmas miracle that restores his faith in the holiday and humanity as a whole?