CIA puts world at risk over polio

[Jaskalas]

If Muslims want Polio, I don't see the problem. We can simply vaccinate ourselves.

 

[Nebor]

Got any proof?

I thought people were considered innocent until proven guilty? I see no proof.

I think you're confusing the Pakistan\Afghanistan tribal areas with America. They are guilty until they're blown to pieces by an armed drone. They have no rights, no presumption of innocence and no defense.

Honestly your article is a 404 outrage not found. I deal with the mess created by these backwards Islamist militants every day. They poison girls for going to school, put bombs in the schools, cut off water to villages, blow up clinics and threaten teachers & medical personnel. They're assholes. If you cooperate with Westerners to better your life, your their enemy. So if they want to cripple their own recruiting pool by denying them access to polio vaccines, that's just fine. Those fuckers will probably crutch their way to the Madrasahs to get radicalized, but I'd like to see them crutch their way through the Kyber pass to come fight us. If you'll excuse me, an A-10 Warthog just started killing the current generation of retards about 600m away from me, so I have to be going.

 

[yllus]

To clarify, it wasn't fake medicine, but CIA agents were attached to the vaccination effort and as such were able to walk around and scout things out.

 

[Texashiker]

They have no rights, no presumption of innocence and no defense.

Everyone is entitled to basic human rights.

Informed? By whom, a totally discredited scientist like Andrew Wakefield, who provably committed scientific fraud?

I would rather not derail the thread.

 

[JTsyo]

If they distrust international aid workers, why don't these leaders establish their own program? They probably have more important things that take up their time.

 

[Texashiker]

If you'll excuse me, an A-10 Warthog just started killing the current generation of retards about 600m away from me, so I have to be going.

I am going to guess that you are on their land, and not on U.S. soil?

 

[rudder]

The CIA or the ones who feel the need to share every detail of a top secret op?

 

[Howard]

If they distrust international aid workers, why don't these leaders establish their own program? They probably have more important things that take up their time.

Do you know what country we're talking about?

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Everyone is entitled to basic human rights.

Yeah tell that to their tribal leaders. I would expect us to send some military types on any kind of effort like this for protection of our innocent citizens who are just there to help these unfortunate people. Once again, blame the Jihadists not the CIA protectors.

 

[Texashiker]

Yeah tell that to their tribal leaders. I would expect us to send some military types on any kind of effort like this for protection of our innocent citizens who are just there to help these unfortunate people. Once again, blame the Jihadists not the CIA protectors.

Have you forgot we are the invading and occupying force?

 

[Ynog]

To clarify, it wasn't fake medicine, but CIA agents were attached to the vaccination effort and as such were able to walk around and scout things out.

This in a big point. They were using the programs to get people on the ground.

Both sides are at fault for going with their own best interests over the best interests to the children in need for the vaccinations.

The CIA and other intelligence agencies (including other nations) primary goal is to gather intelligence. Gathering intelligence in hostile areas can be extremely difficult primarily because if you are discovered you have to explain who/what/why you are there. These intelligence gathering organizations will continue to utilize any program (like the Polio vaccination drives) that give them a legitimate answer to that question. If it serves to better their self interests, then it will be used. No one should be surprised by this.

Now many of these militant groups in these FATAs aren't considered "friendly" by the United States. This means that any intelligence gathered by foreign intelligence operatives could potentially used against them. Especially via drone strikes which typically aren't blind attacks. Thus allowing foreign intelligence operatives legitimate access to their areas potentially increases the chance for attacks that may kill them. Thus it is in their own best interest to prevent foreign intelligence operatives from having a legitimate reason to be there.


The real question is: Can you fault either side if they weren't considering their best interests? An intelligence operative discovered in one of these FATA without an legitimate answer to why they are there will likely be killed. Militant groups put themselves in significant higher chance of being killed themselves if they allow foreign intelligence operatives to gather intelligence on them.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Have you forgot we are the invading and occupying force?

Apparently you forgot that Pakistan was hiding Osama Bin Laden from us? I would be pissed if we WEREN'T sending CIA over there with anyone we sent there.

 

[Ynog]

Have you forgot we are the invading and occupying force?

Actually we are neither in Pakistan. We are the invading/occupying force in Afghanistan.

However, the Taliban and al-Qaeda leaders smartly moved across the border to Pakistan. The Pakistan government (with the help of monetary/military equipment given to them) allowed/approved the US Military/Intelligence organizations offensive operations on suspected Taliban/al-Qaeda forces inside Pakistan.

Minus the Bin Laden operation, at a high level the operations inside of Pakistan came with approval of their government. I wouldn't consider that invading/occupation.

 

[rudder]

This in a big point. They were using the programs to get people on the ground.

Both sides are at fault for going with their own best interests over the best interests to the children in need for the vaccinations.

The CIA and other intelligence agencies (including other nations) primary goal is to gather intelligence. Gathering intelligence in hostile areas can be extremely difficult primarily because if you are discovered you have to explain who/what/why you are there. These intelligence gathering organizations will continue to utilize any program (like the Polio vaccination drives) that give them a legitimate answer to that question. If it serves to better their self interests, then it will be used. No one should be surprised by this.

I know I will get some flak for this... but I have to blame the loose lipped obama administration. People also support Pvt Manning and his release of sensitive documents. This is the very reason where there are some operations in the government that should remain top secret.

This CIA plan hurt no one. They simply extracted DNA from needles. Dealing with a high profile target and someone who was able to remain hidden for a decade... the CIA knew that this opportunity would not present itself again easily had the navy seals gone in and took out some low level al-qaida leader. The plan was one way to unobtrusively gather more intelligence.

but by God... now every little detail of the operation has to be revealed in this election year.

 

[xj0hnx]

You let a repairman into your house, and he steals your TV.

You let another repair man in your hose and he steals your TV yet again.

Somehow this is going to make your wife take the third TV and donate it to goodwill?

Bank gets robbed three times, do they stop letting people in?

this is squarely on the shoulders of the leaders of the country, their choice.

 

[werepossum]

I think you're confusing the Pakistan\Afghanistan tribal areas with America. They are guilty until they're blown to pieces by an armed drone. They have no rights, no presumption of innocence and no defense.

Honestly your article is a 404 outrage not found. I deal with the mess created by these backwards Islamist militants every day. They poison girls for going to school, put bombs in the schools, cut off water to villages, blow up clinics and threaten teachers & medical personnel. They're assholes. If you cooperate with Westerners to better your life, your their enemy. So if they want to cripple their own recruiting pool by denying them access to polio vaccines, that's just fine. Those fuckers will probably crutch their way to the Madrasahs to get radicalized, but I'd like to see them crutch their way through the Kyber pass to come fight us. If you'll excuse me, an A-10 Warthog just started killing the current generation of retards about 600m away from me, so I have to be going.

Exactly. This is war, by their choice. In war there is no innocent or guilty, no due process. There is only US, THEM, and OTHERS, and the rules by which US agree to fight THEM - which are not, and can never be, equivalent to any civilian legal system.

If they choose to block polio vaccinations as another tool in the war, that just indicates that we haven't yet killed enough of them. When children no longer have to depend on the whims of the Islamicists for access to medicine and education, then we'll have killed enough of them.

 

[Texashiker]

Bank gets robbed three times, do they stop letting people in?

this is squarely on the shoulders of the leaders of the country, their choice.

Bank rips me off, you bet I would stop doing business with them

 

[surfsatwerk]

Bank rips me off, you bet I would stop doing business with them

And then your kids die of polio. You made the right choice.

 

[Texashiker]

And then your kids die of polio. You made the right choice.

My kids can use a credit union rather then a bank.

 

[surfsatwerk]

My kids can use a credit union rather then a bank.

Not many credit unions in the middle of nowhere.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I think you're confusing the Pakistan\Afghanistan tribal areas with America. They are guilty until they're blown to pieces by an armed drone. They have no rights, no presumption of innocence and no defense.

Honestly your article is a 404 outrage not found. I deal with the mess created by these backwards Islamist militants every day. They poison girls for going to school, put bombs in the schools, cut off water to villages, blow up clinics and threaten teachers & medical personnel. They're assholes. If you cooperate with Westerners to better your life, your their enemy. So if they want to cripple their own recruiting pool by denying them access to polio vaccines, that's just fine. Those fuckers will probably crutch their way to the Madrasahs to get radicalized, but I'd like to see them crutch their way through the Kyber pass to come fight us. If you'll excuse me, an A-10 Warthog just started killing the current generation of retards about 600m away from me, so I have to be going.

The first thing the US military does when waging war is bomb the hell out of power stations, water supplies, hospitals, TV stations, schools, and whoever happens to be around those places.
Then American companies get contracts to rebuild these things.
Then the militants blow those up.
More contracts.
The cycle is repeated until what? Scorched earth?
And now your off to rain death on another village.

And to make yourself feel better you tell yourself there are no innocents, and yet bring up school girls to try and get some sort of pity
And now the military wants to give medals of heroism to drone pilots, I guess to make them feel a little better about what they do, since every other one ends up committing suicide

 

[OCGuy]

Who cares if beloved patriot kids get sick?

 

[Jaskalas]

Exactly. This is war, by their choice. In war there is no innocent or guilty, no due process. There is only US, THEM, and OTHERS, and the rules by which US agree to fight THEM - which are not, and can never be, equivalent to any civilian legal system.

If they choose to block polio vaccinations as another tool in the war, that just indicates that we haven't yet killed enough of them. When children no longer have to depend on the whims of the Islamicists for access to medicine and education, then we'll have killed enough of them.

Unless we use nuclear weapons to carpet bomb, that day shall never come.

Pack up and go home.

 

[Nebor]

Who cares if beloved patriot kids get sick?

It's hard not to feel bad for kids that have little choice or influence over their own lives. But the fact is that polio vaccine or not, these kids have a 99% chance of growing up to be tomorrow's terrorists & radical Islamist militants.

 

[Nebor]

The first thing the US military does when waging war is bomb the hell out of power stations, water supplies, hospitals, TV stations, schools, and whoever happens to be around those places.
Then American companies get contracts to rebuild these things.
Then the militants blow those up.
More contracts.
The cycle is repeated until what? Scorched earth?
And now your off to rain death on another village.

And to make yourself feel better you tell yourself there are no innocents, and yet bring up school girls to try and get some sort of pity
And now the military wants to give medals of heroism to drone pilots, I guess to make them feel a little better about what they do, since every other one ends up committing suicide

We didn't do that in Afghanistan because they didn't have any infrastructure to destroy. It'd had already been destroyed by years of insurgency and civil war. Amazingly, the nearest city to me still has a functional Soviet hydroelectric damn. It produces less and less electricity every year though, as the Afghans are entirely incapable of maintaining or repairing it.

Those drone pilots do seem to have a tendency to kill themselves... they also beat and kill their wives and get in trouble with the law. Must be that dry air in Nevada.