CIA: Russians hacks were meant to rig the election for Trump

[Commodus]

A CIA assessment delivered to the Senate has determined that Russia orchestrated hacks against the DNC, Podesta and others specifically to get Trump elected.

This isn't a full assessment from every agency -- that's what the recently ordered investigation is for. But if the sources are accurate (and this is the Washington Post, which has a track record for leaks), it's huge. Previous analysis had suggested only that Russia was trying to cause chaos. But specifically trying to boost Trump?

I'm not sure exactly what the law obligates in a case like that, but that's serious democracy-is-in-danger material. I figure it would at least prompt an investigation into the extent of the Trump campaign's connections to Russia. Could it even invalidate the election? It's hard to imagine even the most diehard Republican being comfortable with the election results if they knew that Russia had played everyone for fools.

One thing's for sure: if this holds up, it makes WikiLeaks' actions that much more reprehensible. I used to be fine with WikiLeaks when it seemed relatively neutral and interested solely in transparency, but it certainly wasn't here. At best, it was manipulated by the Russians and didn't check the source of its info; at worst, it knowingly served as a Russian weapon.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I'm not sure exactly what the law obligates in a case like that, but that's serious democracy-is-in-danger material. I figure it would at least prompt an investigation into the extent of the Trump campaign's connections to Russia. Could it even invalidate the election? It's hard to imagine even the most diehard Republican being comfortable with the election results if they knew that Russia had played everyone for fools.

Certain types of conservatives have been salivating over Putin's strong, hairy chest ever since Obama got into office. The more hardcore anti-RINO types were doing it even during Dubya's term. I bet Republicans only jump ship if it's revealed that Trump received large checks from Russia, or similar.

EDIT: Just Googled, not as strong or hairy as I remember it being. Still, men riding horses are hot. That's what a strong leader is supposed to be.

 

[FIVR]

Surprising to see the CIA acting so honestly and with such concern for the American democratic institution. Who would have thought a bunch of spies, torturers, terrorists and assassins would bite the hand that feeds them? Really, it makes little sense for the CIA to do this considering Trump will be a huge boon to the spook business, and that's not even to mention the CIA's favorite pastime of rending US citizens to foreign countries and torturing them for months on end. Trump would love that stuff. Trump does love that stuff, he's said so specifically. I don't doubt that the CIA are telling the truth, oddly enough. There just isn't enough in it for them to be lying.



Now watch the Trumpeters cover their ears and listen to 62 Million voices saying "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALALALA!"

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Surprising to see the CIA acting so honestly and with such concern for the American democratic institution. Who would have thought a bunch of spies, torturers, terrorists and assassins would bite the hand that feeds them?

Yep, let's not forget that the CIA has directly overturned legal governments, including democracies, all over the world.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yep, let's not forget that the CIA has directly overturned legal governments, including democracies, all over the world.

Not to mention that they've protected our own, up 'til now...

I mean, uhh, when Russian propaganda tells you what you want to hear it might just be time to reconsider...

They know Trump is incompetent & that America is likely to falter under his leadership. They're all for it, obviously.

 

[FIVR]

Not to mention that they've protected our own, up 'til now...

I mean, uhh, when Russian propaganda tells you what you want to hear it might just be time to reconsider...

They know Trump is incompetent & that America is likely to falter under his leadership. They're all for it, obviously.

The CIA has long been implicated in assassinating a US president, and they most certainly failed to "protect" him... so I would not say that the CIA has protected our own at all. I think the CIA has done far more damage to this nation than good, overall. They are hardly well thought of even inside the US, more that they are feared as competent assassins, with nearly infinite funds and powerful connections.


This is a great start to them turning a new leaf, though. I am impressed wth their resolve, and their willingness to lose all those sweet sweet torture contracts in Jordan just to defend some smarmy concept of democracy.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I'm stunned, I..... I just don't know how i could have been so wrong about that despicable Donald Trump. I really , really thought he loved me, loved the United States, loved my children. Now and now this shows up on the Washington Post web site. How can i ever love again? He's made a mockery about everything i stand for, against truth, justice and the American way.
I'm sorry I ever doubted the left wing cry babies, the socialists, the establishment republicans and the assorted communists that tried so hard to tell me that he wasn't the right man for me. What can i do now? I'm a broken citizen.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

There had been a strong rumor that Trump was blackballed by some seven Wall Street bankers. His entire empire was financed on borrowed money.

After that, as the rumor goes, he borrowed a lot of money from Russian oligarchs. It calls to mind the remake of :"The Gambler" with Mark Wahlburg:

Jessica Lange [mother]: What are they going to do if you can't pay them?
Wahlburg: Break every bone in my body . . . .

Consider that he's appointed an EXXON executive to cabinet office (correct me if wrong), and the EXXON guy had done a lot of deals with the Russians.

So it begs the question. How would the connections between the dots suggest some charge against Trump, such as treason? I can't remember what his plans were for Snowden, either . . . .

But the scandal would hurt him. Badly. Bigly. Big League. His supporters might then hang their heads in shame.

. . . . Meanwhile, in other news, the effort mounts to get Electoral voters to flip.

Put it another way. If some odious and disgusting character rises to some position of "leadership," proves he isn't fit to lead, well . . . . He's goin' down. . . .

I'll end with another quote, from the last scenes of the remake for "Cape Fear" -- Bob diNiro as Max Cady:

"Traitor to Gawwwd! Traitor to country! Traitor to fellow man-n-n!"

 

[nageov3t]

1. Mitch McConnell pushed the FBI/CIA not to go public.
2. Mitch McConnell's wife appointed to a job in Trump's cabinet.

definitely nothing shady going on here.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Not to mention that they've protected our own, up 'til now...

I mean, uhh, when Russian propaganda tells you what you want to hear it might just be time to reconsider...

They know Trump is incompetent & that America is likely to falter under his leadership. They're all for it, obviously.

Protected it against what? The commies?

GOOOOOOOOOOD BLEEEEEEEEEEEESS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAMEEEEEEEEEERIIIIIIIIIIICAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

The CIA is just one of our many weapons to exert power on the rest of the world, allowing use to intervene anywhere we want by nearly any methods we want, if it protects some interest of ours. But the only reason we need to be on the defensive is because of the terrorism they commit on our behalf.

 

[Kazukian]

Obviously, with this new information, we should have another election.

Perhaps everyone that voted for Hillary needs some antidepressants next.

Denial
Anger
Bargaining <--------
Depression
Acceptance

 

[UberNeuman]

Obviously, with this new information, we should have another election.

Accountability is missing from that list. Take your medicine, doctor....

 

[Kazukian]

Accountability is missing from that list.

The accountability that the DNC torpedoed Bernie? That the emails were real? That Hillary's campaign colluded with the media? OMG.

How can I live knowing the Russians were involved?

Did the Russians trick HRC's campaign into not making any rust belt stops during the entire presidential campaign? Did the Russians trick Hillary into calling 1/4 of the voters deplorables and unredeemable?

Does looking into your significant other's text messages make the finding of infidelity less real?

Seriously though, what outcome do you want from this assessment? Because I really want to know that we should do about it.

 

[Commodus]

I'm stunned, I..... I just don't know how i could have been so wrong about that despicable Donald Trump. I really , really thought he loved me, loved the United States, loved my children. Now and now this shows up on the Washington Post web site. How can i ever love again? He's made a mockery about everything i stand for, against truth, justice and the American way.
I'm sorry I ever doubted the left wing cry babies, the socialists, the establishment republicans and the assorted communists that tried so hard to tell me that he wasn't the right man for me. What can i do now? I'm a broken citizen.

So you're seriously claiming that either the Post or CIA is wrong, or that the allegations if true don't matter?

I swear, Putin could announce that he'd ordered the hacks to rig the election and you'd still be trying to rationalize this. Anything to avoid rethinking your choice of leaders.

 

[UberNeuman]

The accountability that the DNC torpedoed Bernie? That the emails were real? That Hillary's campaign colluded with the media? OMG.

How can I live knowing the Russians were involved?

Did the Russians trick HRC's campaign into not making any rust belt stops during the entire presidential campaign? Did the Russians trick Hillary into calling 1/4 of the voters deplorables and unredeemable?

Does looking into your significant other's text messages make the finding of infidelity less real?

Seriously though, what outcome do you want from this assessment? Because I really want to know that we should do about it.

Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

So, where do you find yourself on that list now?

 

[Kazukian]

Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

So, where do you find yourself on that list now?

Since I'm not grieving the election's outcome, it doesn't apply.

Hell, a signed, sworn statement from Putin that they hacked the emails wouldn't make a difference.

Repeat after me: "President Trump". You'll be seeing that a lot.

I have yet to see one post election autopsy that says the email leaks swung the election. I did see Donna Brazile and several news outlets claim they were false anyway.

 

[JSt0rm]

lmao. You tru™ patriots sure hate the cia. hahah. Its such a weird world we live in that the people who demand pure patriotism are the ones who are in bed with the Russians. Its fucking great really.

 

[UberNeuman]

Since I'm not grieving the election's outcome, it doesn't apply.

oh, but it does apply... Look how triggered you've been...

Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

Between Denial and Anger....

 

[JSt0rm]

lmao.

 

[Kazukian]

oh, but it does apply... Look how triggered you've been...

Denial
Laughing my ass off at the crybabies. <----------
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

Between Denial and Anger....

If laughing my ass off since November is in there, sure

I'm still waiting, what shall we do with this revelation? Do overs?

 

[JSt0rm]

If laughing my ass off since November is in there, sure

I'm still waiting, what shall we do with this revelation? Do overs?

how do you feel about the fact that russia likes the same results you like?

 

[Commodus]

If laughing my ass off since November is in there, sure

I'm still waiting, what shall we do with this revelation? Do overs?

If the investigation concludes that the Russians manipulated the election, then quite possibly. If the president was elected at least partly due to a Russian plot, that means it wasn't a fair election. And I don't know about you, but I wouldn't be happy if I knew that a Russian autocrat (the kind that has critics and political rivals assassinated) wanted my candidate to win so badly that he orchestrated hacks.

 

[JSt0rm]

we still cant change it. They won. What we can do is learn from it and pound them in the ass.

 

[Double Trouble]

A CIA assessment delivered to the Senate has determined that Russia orchestrated hacks against the DNC, Podesta and others specifically to get Trump elected.

This isn't a full assessment from every agency -- that's what the recently ordered investigation is for. But if the sources are accurate (and this is the Washington Post, which has a track record for leaks), it's huge. Previous analysis had suggested only that Russia was trying to cause chaos. But specifically trying to boost Trump?

I'm not sure exactly what the law obligates in a case like that, but that's serious democracy-is-in-danger material. I figure it would at least prompt an investigation into the extent of the Trump campaign's connections to Russia. Could it even invalidate the election? It's hard to imagine even the most diehard Republican being comfortable with the election results if they knew that Russia had played everyone for fools.

One thing's for sure: if this holds up, it makes WikiLeaks' actions that much more reprehensible. I used to be fine with WikiLeaks when it seemed relatively neutral and interested solely in transparency, but it certainly wasn't here. At best, it was manipulated by the Russians and didn't check the source
of its info; at worst, it knowingly served as a Russian weapon.

We've long strongly suspected that the russians were behind the hacks. I don't see that changing anything. Is there some part in the constitution that says an election is invalid if a foreign power revealed email? We can get mad at them for interfering all we want, it doesn't change a thing.

 

[Double Trouble]

If the investigation concludes that the Russians manipulated the election, then quite possibly. If the president was elected at least partly due to a Russian plot, that means it wasn't a fair election. And I don't know about you, but I wouldn't be happy if I knew that a Russian autocrat (the kind that has critics and political rivals assassinated) wanted my candidate to win so badly that he orchestrated hacks.

You're delusional, there are no do overs. The only way there could be an issue is if it turns out the actual election results or vote counts were tampered with, in which case there would have to be a full recount.What if the hacks were Chinese, or done by any other entity? What does it matter? Theres also no requirement for any kind of fairness either.