CIA: Russians hacks were meant to rig the election for Trump

[cubby1223]

I'm interested to hear what you want to force these private organizations to do. It's also interesting that you appear to think that the party that got the most votes is the one that didn't listen to the citizens.

Anyone who isn't consumed by partisanship should be able to recognize that hostile foreign powers deliberately acting to influence our elections is a very large problem, one that demands both severe consequences for that power as well as a strong look at what we can do to limit it in the future.

If the Democrats had allowed citizens to fully participate in the primary process, Hillary would not have been the candidate, neither would Sanders, and whomever the Democratic choice was, would have won the election.

What's quite ironic is what is the main focus of the CIA: the email hack of the DNC. I stated a few replies earlier the immediate reaction should be to invest in greater cyber security, which I fully expect the DNC to already be doing. The ironic part of this is which side has been harping on email security being a top issue? And which side has nearly totally dismissed it because, sides? Everything comes back down to partisanship. If the left were not so consumed by partisanship, they would have taken greater steps towards more secured email systems prior to the hack and subsequent leak of DNC emails.

It's a chicken & egg situation, and you still want to declare the answer based on your own partisan bias.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Regarding "fake news" If Facebook has taught me anything, it's that people are really gullible. I mean.. REALLY fucking gullible! This has already been proven in small doses by daytime radio and before that, supermarket tabloids. Hopefully we start teaching critical thinking in our school's

 

[fskimospy]

If the Democrats had allowed citizens to fully participate in the primary process, Hillary would not have been the candidate, neither would Sanders, and whomever the Democratic choice was, would have won the election.

So you're just making stuff up now?

 

[cubby1223]

Please. It demands that we take a hard look at ourselves more than anything else. When the message from Russian oligarchs is what you want to hear, it's time to re-evaluate what you believe in.

It demands hard looks at oneself from everyone, including liberals. The build-up to this election and its results is a very long and very ugly back-and-forth between the two "sides" where both sides acted unfairly towards the other. You don't get to sit back and say the responsibility to build a better future lies entirely on other people changing.

 

[cubby1223]

So you're just making stuff up now?

We've gone over this many times in the past. You are listed as an elite member of this forum. Start acting like one. Answer me this question - how large was the field of Democratic candidates during the primaries?

 

[ivwshane]

We've gone over this many times in the past. You are listed as an elite member of this forum. Start acting like one. Answer me this question - how large was the field of Democratic candidates during the primaries?

Three strong. Why?

 

[cubby1223]

Three strong. Why?

Three candidates for a span of 1 state caucus. After that caucus, the field was down to two - a Democrat and a Progressive-Independent. Citizens of 49 states were denied the opportunity to vote for a competing candidate representing the Democratic platform during the primaries.

Why? It's a side discussion to satisfy Mr. Elite's ego.

 

[dank69]

No, that's not what they said.



So, you believe two wrongs make a right? What the DNC did to Sanders is both sleazy and typical politics. It's also much the same thing the RNC did to Trump, at least until Donnie beat them anyway. Remember that political parties are private companies that can pick their candidates however they want. It's not honorable, but it is business as usual.

and also a completely fabricated lie.

 

[ivwshane]

Three candidates for a span of 1 state caucus. After that caucus, the field was down to two - a Democrat and a Progressive-Independent running as a Democrat. 49 states were denied the opportunity to vote for a competing Democratic candidate during the primaries.

50 states had the opportunity to vote and a majority chose Clinton, in fact Clinton won by a much bigger margin than she did in 2008. In 2008 were you complaining that Democratic voices were ignored?

But I get it, in your world, the candidate with the lesser amount of votes means they won in a landslide, right? I mean, that's how your guy won so it must be true for the primaries right?

 

[jammix]

Those hacked emails showed the DNC conspiring with the Clinton campaign against Bernie, Donna Brazile sharing debate questions ahead of time, and other shady behavior.

Whoever was really responsible for exposing that, and we haven't seen any actual proof it was boogeyman-of-the-day Russia, did a good deed.

 

[Bitek]

If they do that then they lose all leverage over the Republicans, and thus all leverage over the entire US government. They want the Republicans to dismantle NATO and lift all the sanctions.

The fact that they have this information means it could be used as blackmail against the Trump admin to push favorable policies.

 

[Jhhnn]

It demands hard looks at oneself from everyone, including liberals. The build-up to this election and its results is a very long and very ugly back-and-forth between the two "sides" where both sides acted unfairly towards the other. You don't get to sit back and say the responsibility to build a better future lies entirely on other people changing.

Both sides, huh? It's not like libs fell for Russian propaganda, is it? It's not like our candidate begged for their interference in the election, either, but Trump did.

Repubs have been tearing down the principles of democracy & the govt of the people for decades. To do what? To enhance the power & the role of the financial elite wrt society. To have the freedom to pursue profit above all other considerations, including the welfare of the people. To restore the power of wealth as it was prior to the Great Society, the New Deal, the progressive era and perhaps even the Civil War & the American Revolution. To make us more like the Russian oligarchy, not less.

It's the insurgency of the Plutocracy, an attempt to disavow social progress & civic responsibility entirely. Broad prosperity just means relatively less for them. And it's being sold under a variety of false pretenses & emotional pandering.

Expect the callous cruelty behind it all to unfold bigly over the next several years.

 

[Kazukian]

50 states had the opportunity to vote and a majority chose Clinton, in fact Clinton won by a much bigger margin than she did in 2008. In 2008 were you complaining that Democratic voices were ignored?

But I get it, in your world, the candidate with the lesser amount of votes means they won in a landslide, right? I mean, that's how your guy won so it must be true for the primaries right?

LOL, it just keeps getting better and better. What BS argument are you going to come up with next?

 

[Jhhnn]

Those hacked emails showed the DNC conspiring with the Clinton campaign against Bernie, Donna Brazile sharing debate questions ahead of time, and other shady behavior.

Whoever was really responsible for exposing that, and we haven't seen any actual proof it was boogeyman-of-the-day Russia, did a good deed.

I can't imagine what a hack of RNC email might reveal about their efforts wrt DJT. Whatever sins the DNC committed against Bernie would probably pale in comparison.

The debate questions? The spin put on that by the right wing noise machine is quite remarkable. What presidential candidate wouldn't have a position on capital punishment or be prepared to talk about Flint water while in Flint?

Being told what she already knew afforded Hillary no advantage.

 

[ivwshane]

LOL, it just keeps getting better and better. What BS argument are you going to come up with next?

You mean facts? Lol ok comrade

 

[Kazukian]

I can't imagine what a hack of RNC email might reveal about their efforts wrt DJT. Whatever sins the DNC committed against Bernie would probably pale in comparison.

The debate questions? The spin put on that by the right wing noise machine is quite remarkable. What presidential candidate wouldn't have a position on capital punishment or be prepared to talk about Flint water while in Flint?

Being told what she already knew afforded Hillary no advantage.

Brazile's email was hilarious.

Or you're saying it was fake?

 

[Kazukian]

You mean facts? Lol ok comrade

Nah, just watching you blow a fuse daily for the next few years.

How about them appointments Trump has been selecting?

 

[Jhhnn]

Brazile's email was hilarious.

Or you're saying it was fake?

Not at all, & you know it. You're merely diverting. Brazile didn't tell Clinton anything significant that she didn't already know. It's a nothing burger.

 

[Jhhnn]

Nah, just watching you blow a fuse daily for the next few years.

How about them appointments Trump has been selecting?

Just trolling, huh?

 

[Kazukian]

Not at all, & you know it. You're merely diverting. Brazile didn't tell Clinton anything significant that she didn't already know. It's a nothing burger.

Sort of an IQ test for Brazile, wasn't it?

 

[Kazukian]

Just trolling, huh?

No, it was a concern troll.

 

[Jhhnn]

Sort of an IQ test for Brazile, wasn't it?

Yep. Just trolling.

 

[Bowfinger]

and also a completely fabricated lie.

Do tell.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I haven't read the whole thread but here's a good article from Glenn Greenwald:

https://theintercept.com/2016/12/10...ussia-beliefs-are-no-substitute-for-evidence/

 

[norseamd]

I haven't read the whole thread but here's a good article from Glenn Greenwald:

https://theintercept.com/2016/12/10...ussia-beliefs-are-no-substitute-for-evidence/

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