CIA: Russians hacks were meant to rig the election for Trump

[JSt0rm]

We beat them in WW1, we beat them in WW2, why would we go to war against anyone else? We know we can beat them.

That would be a total gdub move...

Russia hacked our elections!

/Gdub ponders what to do

"I know! Lets attack germany!"

 

[Bowfinger]

How about a walk and feed some ducks? I'll bring the bread

What a great metaphor for the Trump phenomenon. Many people don't realize that bread is horrible for ducks. The ducks don't know any better, of course. They can't comprehend that bread doesn't contain the nutrients they need to thrive. All they know is it's light, it's fluffy, and it tastes so delicious that they eagerly gulp it down... even though it will eventually sicken or kill them.

So it is with Trump and his supporters. You blissfully gulp the sweet lies he feeds you, oblivious to his toxic effects. Sadly, while the duck only hurts itself, with Donnie we're all ducked.

 

[Kazukian]

What a great metaphor for the Trump phenomenon. Many people don't realize that bread is horrible for ducks. The ducks don't know any better, of course. They can't comprehend that bread doesn't contain the nutrients they need to thrive. All they know is it's light, it's fluffy, and it tastes so delicious that they eagerly gulp it down... even though it will eventually sicken or kill them.

So it is with Trump and his supporters. You blissfully gulp the sweet lies he feeds you, oblivious to his toxic effects. Sadly, while the duck only hurts itself, with Donnie we're all ducked.

I'm duck treat fluid, what should I feed them?

 

[IronWing]

I'm duck treat fluid, what should I feed them?

duckweed

 

[Bowfinger]

I'm duck treat fluid, what should I feed them?

Literally? What to feed ducks.

Metaphorically? Not Trump, legitimate new sources, fact checkers, etc. They aren't as tasty, perhaps, but they're much more nutritionally balanced.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

did you misread my post?

I'm assuming that the French and German peoples would be interested to hear of any knowledge the US intelligence agencies can share if we have proof that Russia is trying to influence our (or their) elections.

This history goes back decades, my Fellow Citizen of the World. Decades!

I had a distant relative whose family came from the same region of Poland as mine did. We were corresponding around 1998 or '99. I couldn't continue the e-mail exchange until I downloaded PGP and created my double-encryption keys. He insisted! He was a microwave specialist in Koln -- Cologne. That was a point more than half-way through the development of NSA's ECHELON system.

Go to a Google Earth and look for locations of dish-antenna farms south of Alice Springs AU, or in a northern location of England at an old WWII airbase. There's a site in New Zealand. And others. All over the world, most consistently with the known, stable English-speaking countries, former occupied countries turned Allies second, like Germany, Japan.

They have closed down the German facility as of my last look at it perhaps five years ago. The facility in Australia -- Alice Springs -- has a name that includes the syllable "pine" if I'm not mistaken.

BBC TV produced a documentary expose' on ECHELON in 1999. Bamford published "Body of Secrets" in 1999, as sequel to "The Puzzle Palace" printed maybe close to a decade before.

Remember James Earl Jones, Robert Redford, Mary MacDonnell, River Phoenix, Dan Ackroyd, David Strathairn as the blind hacker with the Braille keyboard. "Sneakers." Released 1993. Fiction, but likely well-tutored.

If you like music, the jazz soundtrack will make you mess yourself with appreciation.

In an Existential Struggle according to an inaccurate Stategic Doctrine, any nation state with the economic size and growth to sustain it will pursue weapons, communications, operations both covert and psychological.

Everything is fine, as long as there is no abuse, and abuse is a matter of relative calculation under the current organization of nation-states and other entities. Once something is compromised, watch for turbulence in the world news that follows. It upsets an equilibrium -- maybe even makes possible intelligence penetrations at the highest office of the land. Or whose would that be?

 

[BonzaiDuck]

What a great metaphor for the Trump phenomenon. Many people don't realize that bread is horrible for ducks. The ducks don't know any better, of course. They can't comprehend that bread doesn't contain the nutrients they need to thrive. All they know is it's light, it's fluffy, and it tastes so delicious that they eagerly gulp it down... even though it will eventually sicken or kill them.

So it is with Trump and his supporters. You blissfully gulp the sweet lies he feeds you, oblivious to his toxic effects. Sadly, while the duck only hurts itself, with Donnie we're all ducked.

Priceless! Like MasterCard! If that's all true, you've created the near-perfect metaphor with that. Or whatever it is, but -- it is!

 

[senseamp]

Trump's legitimacy is destroyed before he even takes office. GOP has some important decisions to make, do they want to be Russian collaborator party? Could destroy their legitimacy too.

 

[Kazukian]

"THE WASHINGTON POST late Friday night published an explosive story that, in many ways, is classic American journalism of the worst sort: The key claims are based exclusively on the unverified assertions of anonymous officials, who in turn are disseminating their own claims about what the CIA purportedly believes, all based on evidence that remains completely secret."

https://theintercept.com/2016/12/10...ussia-beliefs-are-no-substitute-for-evidence/

LOL, Trump's election hasn't been viewed as legitimate By many long before this BS.

 

[senseamp]

Even Trump himself is confirming that it's coming from the CIA. “These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction."

 

[FIVR]

He does have a point. It would be nice if an agency that isn't such a hive of scum and villainy, such as the NSA, would comment. They never do, though.

 

[nageov3t]

He does have a point

not really... the CIA never said Saddam Hussein had WMD's; that was another Bush admin lie. the original CIA report has since been declassified and shown to have been heavily edited by political appointees.

George W. Bush's CIA Briefer: Bush and Cheney Falsely Presented WMD Intelligence to Public

 

[senseamp]

I think it's a big mistake for him to attack the CIA, especially to reopen the wounds of Iraq war, where they were scapegoated for the Bush administration's folly. CIA likely knows a lot of shit about Trump, but stayed out of the election, even as the FBI actively worked to help install Putin's puppet in the White House as Putin was helping kill CIA operatives in Syria. That did not go unnoticed. In this world of leaks, it's not good to have an agency as powerful as the CIA disgruntled.

 

[jeff_in_MD]

This history goes back decades, my Fellow Citizen of the World. Decades!

I had a distant relative whose family came from the same region of Poland as mine did. We were corresponding around 1998 or '99. I couldn't continue the e-mail exchange until I downloaded PGP and created my double-encryption keys. He insisted! He was a microwave specialist in Koln -- Cologne. That was a point more than half-way through the development of NSA's ECHELON system.

Go to a Google Earth and look for locations of dish-antenna farms south of Alice Springs AU, or in a northern location of England at an old WWII airbase. There's a site in New Zealand. And others. All over the world, most consistently with the known, stable English-speaking countries, former occupied countries turned Allies second, like Germany, Japan.

They have closed down the German facility as of my last look at it perhaps five years ago. The facility in Australia -- Alice Springs -- has a name that includes the syllable "pine" if I'm not mistaken.

BBC TV produced a documentary expose' on ECHELON in 1999. Bamford published "Body of Secrets" in 1999, as sequel to "The Puzzle Palace" printed maybe close to a decade before.

Remember James Earl Jones, Robert Redford, Mary MacDonnell, River Phoenix, Dan Ackroyd, David Strathairn as the blind hacker with the Braille keyboard. "Sneakers." Released 1993. Fiction, but likely well-tutored.

If you like music, the jazz soundtrack will make you mess yourself with appreciation.

In an Existential Struggle according to an inaccurate Stategic Doctrine, any nation state with the economic size and growth to sustain it will pursue weapons, communications, operations both covert and psychological.

Everything is fine, as long as there is no abuse, and abuse is a matter of relative calculation under the current organization of nation-states and other entities. Once something is compromised, watch for turbulence in the world news that follows. It upsets an equilibrium -- maybe even makes possible intelligence penetrations at the highest office of the land. Or whose would that be?

You do know the Russians and probably the British, French, China, Japan, and others have similar programs. We a fee for the not alone.

 

[Ackmed]

Hollywood cooperated with a sense of patriotism with CIA's panicked Stalin-era attempts to refine propaganda and psy-war science and art. The problem with the GOP is that some of their own had participated in those projects, the ideas in amateur form filtered into the advertising and political sector, and they delusionally believe that deceit is a valid political weapon.

You learn even from studying literature in print that authors can have a sermonizing or educational intent. Yet, friends I've known, when addressing that idea, would say "I don't go to movies to learn anything! I just go to be entertained."

The Red Dawn movie was more Cold War myth-making, just as was the original Manchurian Candidate. Sinatra only suspected as much after his friend's assassination, which explains why he bought the film rights and removed it from public view for 25 years.

Here's another example. Around 1986, Hollywood released a film entitled "Yuri Nosenko, KGB." Tommy Lee Jones played the lead role. Congress had put the kibosh on CIA-Hollywood collaboration during the mid-70s Church-Committee hearings. But since the film-makers wanted assistance with the film and they wanted to have footage from within Langley, you can be sure there was some influence.

At that time, CIA was in a panic because they had suspected they had a mole inside the agency since 1983. The film was about events in the early 1960s. The mole wasn't really a mole in the rigorous sense; he was Aldrich Ames, arrested in the early '90s, who had done it purely for money.

But because of the internal worries of the Company, it seems that the film about Nosenko was a total distortion, leaving the audience to believe that he had been a spy inside the CIA. Instead, every serious piece of information available seems to prove that Nosenko became a loyal American and CIA employee giving lectures about Soviet intelligence until he retired under cover of a pseudonym to live somewhere in Virginia.

You simply need to be aware of the possibilities in fictional movies, the possible influences, the backdrop of the reality behind them. It's fine to be entertained. It's better to develop your beliefs based on what you know, as opposed to subliminal impressions left in your mind by some film producer.

First of all, I think you're a condescending poster who has a habit of sounding like a person not all there. With extremely long posts that often times do not make sense and personal insults. The fact that you think people deserve to die or have their property damaged because the voted for Trump tells me everything I need to know about you.

Second, I don't need to do anything. That was 10 year old me. I lived in a town of 300 people, the only way you could get there was by ocean, very small plane (sea or wheeled), or train. You could drive your car onto a flat bed train car and get there. We had phones with 3 digits only, no paved roads, one cop who was also the one fireman, no tv what s so ever, just radio. We got our news mostly by fisherman or people going into town. You ever play the game of telling a group of people something, and it passes from person to person? By the time it gets to the end its almost always vastly different than when it started. Thats usually how we got our news. We watched it on VHS, and living where I did I felt like they were coming for us. It was a believable movie at the time for me. Was I gullible? Sure as hell was. But as I said we had very little contact with the "outside world". Lived in a bubble so to speak. Made for some good fun though, my buddies and me talking about how we'd fight back.

But this is getting off topic. I stand by my original post.

 

[jeff_in_MD]

He does have a point. It would be nice if an agency that isn't such a hive of scum and villainy, such as the NSA, would comment. They never do, though.

As mentioned elsewhere, the cia didn't say he had wmd's. It was the bush administration that said it after removing anything that did not say he did.

 

[dank69]

Certain types of conservatives have been salivating over Putin's strong, hairy chest ever since Obama got into office. The more hardcore anti-RINO types were doing it even during Dubya's term. I bet Republicans only jump ship if it's revealed that Trump received large checks from Russia, or similar.

EDIT: Just Googled, not as strong or hairy as I remember it being. Still, men riding horses are hot. That's what a strong leader is supposed to be.

Haven't read the thread so not sure if this has been addressed yet. Republicans won't jump ship if Trump got checks. They'll tell us all why he is smart for getting them to pay him.

 

[JSt0rm]

lol trump attacking the cia now. Fucking awesome. and lol at him not knowing the cia didnt tell bush about the weapons. lmao.

 

[hal2kilo]

lmao. You tru™ patriots sure hate the cia. hahah. Its such a weird world we live in that the people who demand pure patriotism are the ones who are in bed with the Russians. Its fucking great really.

I've changed my mind now. It's not LSD, but STP.

 

[JSt0rm]

I've changed my mind now. It's not LSD, but STP.

what is stp?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Or you can keep humping Comeys and Liz Spayds legs, and ignore that the CIA said something very different.

I don't even know who Liz Spayd is. Go hump another Twitter account.

 

[Kazukian]

I'm still fucking shocked an Obama appointee's agency said the Russians did it, with anonymous, secret evidence.

The FBI did an extensive investigation and didn't find a connection between the Russians and Trump or his campaign.

 

[hal2kilo]

what is stp?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,5-Dimethoxy-4-methylamphetamine

2,5-Dimethoxy-4-methylamphetamine (DOM; known on the street as STP, standing for "Serenity, Tranquility and Peace") is a psychedelic

a long lasting one at that

 

[dank69]

I'm still fucking shocked an Obama appointee's agency said the Russians did it, with anonymous, secret evidence.

The FBI did an extensive investigation and didn't find a connection between the Russians and Trump or his campaign.

The FBI was too busy doing God's work investigating legitimate claims of spirit cooking.

 

[senseamp]

I'm still fucking shocked an Obama appointee's agency said the Russians did it, with anonymous, secret evidence.

The FBI did an extensive investigation and didn't find a connection between the Russians and Trump or his campaign.

Same FBI that broke its own rules and actively interfered in an election on Trump's behalf?