CIA: Russians hacks were meant to rig the election for Trump

[HamburgerBoy]

Oil prices are already rebounding after a massive plunge, so yeah, you've probably got something there Dave.

 

[MrSquished]

Please do tell me what you are doing about this anger inside you? What are you doing that is productive towards bettering the future? You're posting rants on an internet forum that has minimal direct influence on users and infinitesimal influence on the world.

You're pissed off full of anger. I am not. The end result is you have done nothing above what I have done to correct any problems that may or may not have occurred. The only realistic difference between you and I is you are full of anger while I am not. I trust that the CIA will perform the job they have in front of them and take care of what needs to be taken care of for the next election. Meanwhile I have other items in my life that I need to tend to, and I focus on those instead.


I will say this, though, you can write anything you want on an internet forum. Just don't ever lie to yourself about the real reason this affects you so much.

I'm planning to take over the Pentagon. What do you think I am doing?

The fact is you could give two shits about anybody meddling in our elections. Cause you are a Trumpist. That makes you complicit in treason. But you could care less as long as the Don was in power. That makes you a chump ass motherfucker.

 

[ivwshane]

I'm planning to take over the Pentagon. What do you think I am doing?

The fact is you could give two shits about anybody meddling in our elections. Cause you are a Trumpist. That makes you complicit in treason. But you could care less as long as the Don was in power. That makes you a chump ass motherfucker.

Couldn't

 

[cubby1223]

I'm planning to take over the Pentagon. What do you think I am doing?

The fact is you could give two shits about anybody meddling in our elections. Cause you are a Trumpist. That makes you complicit in treason. But you could care less as long as the Don was in power. That makes you a chump ass motherfucker.

Exactly the type of response I was expecting from you. Nothing more than an angry partisan hack.

The primary issue the CIA is referring to are the emails from the DNC that were taken and made public across the internet. I'll state right here, I fully agree that Russia was most likely involved in that hack and did so in the hopes of raising Trump's chances of being elected. I would expect the DNC invest more money in cyber security in advance of the next election. What else do you want done? Oh, that's right, your skin in the game is to not see Trump become President because you just don't want him to be President. Good luck with that.


Without any evidence, I still can GUARANTEE foreigners were also attempting to influence the election in Hillary's favor. It happens. Unless you shut Americans into a bubble, there is no way to prevent outside influence. Like I said many replies earlier, the only reason this particular instance makes you so angry & pissed off is really because you see this as your last chance ditch effort to see Trump denied the Presidency.

So you devolve yourself into a remark that I am complicit in treason. You may return to your crib now.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

i forsee the prices of oil will go up under trump. Just a guess. maybe it can hit to the bush levels of 6 bucks a gallon.

I have the same feeling, OPEC starting to work as a team again and stuff.
Just remember it will be Obama's fault.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

"October surprise" has been a thing for a while now. Politicians frequently lie to their constituents in order to get elected as well. I don't see what difference it makes if it's domestic or foreign BS that spoils an election. The only questions relevant about Russia in the context of the election's validity are:

1. Did any individuals or groups of American officials take pay-offs from Russia?
2. Did Russia hack into the polling systems?
3. Does Russia standing to gain from Trump necessarily mean that we lose something to Russia?

If the answer is no to all of the above, idgaf.

1*. The suspect Donald J. Trump's ties to seven major New York bankers were severed by those bankers as a result of Donald J. Trump's so-called business practices. The suspect's additional ties to Russian oligarchs is rumored and in some cases known. Trump's obligations could create an influence over Trump's actions no less than a gambling addict's risk to loan sharks.

2*. If Russia hacked into polling systems, we would find out from those states where the biggest expected payoff in electoral votes and anything more than an experimental use of electronic voting machines would focus a review, examination and recount. But if Russia hacked anything, all the hacking are only aspects of the potential criminal investigation and prosecution.

3*. Strategic Doctrine is strategic doctrine. The entire thrust of American Cold War initiatives was to insure planners and national security officials that there was a wedge between the USSR (now Russian Commonwealth of Independent States), and the People's Republic of China. I had said with a certain cynicism as a college-student of the '60s that only Nixon could go to China for considering the political dynamics of Cold War America -- before Nixon expressed and intention to go to China. The trade relationship between China and the US is not something we want to damage too much. Jobs going to China are largely the work of the Trump milieu of CEOs, investors and "free-market" True Believers. Jobs going elsewhere in general are the work of that milieu and people like Carly Fiorina -- no less than for weak trade policies.

Russia has a tremendous advantage to gain by undermining American politics for the same reason: to drive a wedge between China and the USA. This is no longer a strategic doctrine based on naïve ideological worries like those expressed by George Kennen in the late 1940s. This is a careful dance between superpowers with perceptions of either gains or losses to be had being a primary determinant in world political alignments and defense postures.

Further, continuing 3*., mediocre and dishonest Tory shills like Sean Spicer of the RNC keep banging the drum and shouting the mantra that "it cannot be proven that the Russians affected the outcome of the election," because they imagine that the election results themselves are the main target of Democrat[ic] Opposition against the Republicans in general and the virulent devil-may-care faction of the RNC now owned and operated by the Trump Loyalists.

Instead, the American People should want to know if the Russians INTENDED to affect the election as would be evident from their hacked correspondence, cell-phone and other communications, or any hacks into the security apparatus of the Russian State.

Essentially, whether there was effective proof of propaganda and psy-war successes by the Russians, the intentions of the Russians now seem to be known, and their affiliates and covert allies in the United States can be discovered through court order and the NSA's ability to match meta-data for points of communication, identities of the communicators and the times and dates of communications. If Donald J. Trump or his entourage had any foreknowledge of Russian INTENTIONS to affect the election outcomes, then Donald J. Trump and his entourage should be investigated for violation of various laws and statutes that address varying degrees of treason or compromise.

And if Donald J. Trump had foreknowledge -- but failed reporting to authorities -- of hacking, propaganda and misinformation for winning the election or other Russian efforts including the hacking of the RNC, DNC, State Department with Wiki leaks, then Donald J. Trump should stand trial and be impeached for the felonies committed against the People of the United States of America.

Donald J. Trump is either the Grinch who stole Christmas from the families of Carrier workers whose jobs were first assumed safe because of Donald J. Trump, and who then went forward with their normal holiday spending to find they had lost their jobs. Or Donald J. Trump is an Enemy of the People.

 

[boomerang]

The great Russia-hacked-the-election con

The media really knows how to push the left's buttons.

 

[cytg111]

It really is the downside of democracy you are seeing here.
What did the russians really hack besides the obvious email hacks? I dont think its voting machines, but hey, who knows.

No they hacked your freedom of speech. Took the very foundation on which you base your strength, freedom, and pummeled it up your collective behinds. Some of you seem to like it too .

They controlled the narrative from manipualting the news feed, everything with public facade (fake news, facebook, twitter, tumbler, reddit, newspapers online, wikileaks, fox news etc etc) and you were force fed stories engineered to manipulate the people, of the land of the free, to act like lemmings. This is not hard to do, we are simple mammels after all and this system is not constructed to withstand this kind of harmful force and intent (specially not if coupled with a runner for president).

Beauty of this is that you cant counter cause Russia aint got your structure, Russia aint no democracy, you could flip 2/3'rds of the people, wouldnt matter jack.

IMO you got played, got run over, and I dont see you have the tools to counter.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

No they hacked your freedom of speech. Took the very foundation on which you base your strength, freedom, and pummeled it up your collective behinds. Some of you seem to like it too .

They controlled the narrative from manipualting the news feed, everything with public facade (fake news, facebook, twitter, tumbler, reddit, newspapers online, wikileaks, fox news etc etc) and you were force fed stories engineered to manipulate the people, of the land of the free, to act like lemmings. This is not hard to do, we are simple mammels after all and this system is not constructed to withstand this kind of harmful force and intent (specially not if coupled with a runner for president).

Beauty of this is that you cant counter cause Russia aint got your structure, Russia aint no democracy, you could flip 2/3'rds of the people, wouldnt matter jack.

IMO you got played, got run over, and I dont see you have the tools to counter.

Odd that its not "my freedoms" and he refers to the US as "you"

 

[cytg111]

Odd that its not "my freedoms" and he refers to the US as "you"

That is what tickles you? Europe here - and I might add an ally in every single confrontation since.. a long time back. So we too are quite invested in what kind of soup you are cooking up over there, in the land of the free. Besides, if you are vulnerable to this kind of attack, so are we.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

It really is the downside of democracy you are seeing here.
What did the russians really hack besides the obvious email hacks? I dont think its voting machines, but hey, who knows.

No they hacked your freedom of speech. Took the very foundation on which you base your strength, freedom, and pummeled it up your collective behinds. Some of you seem to like it too .

They controlled the narrative from manipualting the news feed, everything with public facade (fake news, facebook, twitter, tumbler, reddit, newspapers online, wikileaks, fox news etc etc) and you were force fed stories engineered to manipulate the people, of the land of the free, to act like lemmings. This is not hard to do, we are simple mammels after all and this system is not constructed to withstand this kind of harmful force and intent (specially not if coupled with a runner for president).

Beauty of this is that you cant counter cause Russia aint got your structure, Russia aint no democracy, you could flip 2/3'rds of the people, wouldnt matter jack.

IMO you got played, got run over, and I dont see you have the tools to counter.

Resistance, Obstruction, Filibuster; Sweeping out the Trash from the whole House in 2018; investigation and discovery of felonious and treasonous crimes against the People of the United States of America; Impeachment, . . . . . [ . . . . . . ], open rebellion, secession or outright civil war.

And I haven't for five years revisited the Cabala's advertising order and description web-page for a Weatherby .457 Magnum bolt-action Elephant gun, and haven't got that as priority this year.

As dire circumstances permit, I might want to find such a fine piece of steel, without the recoil but for the same hand-grenade-sized cartridges. Even so -- with a superior-quality shoulder-pad, you'd only wonder whether mounting a scope on that F***er would be wise for the longevity of the scope and its mountings. But I'm not even going to visit Cabalas when I write stuff like this. Not now.

Resist.

 

[Gryz]

If there is anyone who criminally hacked your elections, it was FBI director James Comey. His ass belongs in jail for treason.https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/james-comey

 

[Sunburn74]

Trump will probably promote him to a cabinet position. or at least let him openly call Ivanka a nice piece of ass for a while.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

If there is anyone who criminally hacked your elections, it was FBI director James Comey. His ass belongs in jail for treason.

They had explored charging him with a serious violation of the Hatch Act and other prohibitions, and those probes may still be ongoing.

Whatever you can prove about outright fraudulent election results -- and intent by a foreign power or its Traitorous Tory T-party affiliates and T-reasonous collaborators is at least an equal crime -- adding Comey to the equation simply adds more force to factors which likely threw the election one way and only one way.

 

[Sunburn74]

Congress really needs to pass laws regarding basic steps and screenings presidential candidates must undergo. We cannot have a repeat of this year's presidential cycle.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

That is what tickles you? Europe here - and I might add an ally in every single confrontation since.. a long time back. So we too are quite invested in what kind of soup you are cooking up over there, in the land of the free. Besides, if you are vulnerable to this kind of attack, so are we.

No I find it strange when someone is very involved in a foreign country's politics. That's not to say its wrong, just seems like an odd hobby to me.
I do feel that when you are commenting about politics and you do not live in that country it should be stated.

 

[cytg111]

No I find it strange when someone is very involved in a foreign country's politics. That's not to say its wrong, just seems like an odd hobby to me.
I do feel that when you are commenting about politics and you do not live in that country it should be stated.

Stated that many times. And I am involved cause we got these tactics breathing down our necks too. So I am worried, for things to come... And who do you turn to if not your allies in such times?

edit : another place in europe :
https://themoscowtimes.com/news/marine-le-pens-party-asks-russia-for-27-million-loan-51896

The propaganda for dismantling the EU from within is all over the place.
Sounds familiar? Divide and conquer?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Congress really needs to pass laws regarding basic steps and screenings presidential candidates must undergo. We cannot have a repeat of this year's presidential cycle.

What steps and who does the screening?

 

[Sunburn74]

What steps and who does the screening?

Basic things like financial vetting, rules about collaboration with foreign powers, conflict of interest stuff, etc

They really need to button this shit down.

 

[boomerang]

Basic things like financial vetting, rules about collaboration with foreign powers, conflict of interest stuff, etc

They really need to button this shit down.

He also asked who does the screening. Got an answer?

 

[IronWing]

Congress really needs to pass laws regarding basic steps and screenings presidential candidates must undergo. We cannot have a repeat of this year's presidential cycle.

I disagree with this. If political parties want to nominate a penguin raper as their candidate there should be no government involvement that stops them from doing so. The press has a duty to report on the penguin raper's avian activities. If the voters choose to elect the penguin raper to office, so be it.

 

[cubby1223]

Congress really needs to pass laws regarding basic steps and screenings presidential candidates must undergo. We cannot have a repeat of this year's presidential cycle.

I agree we cannot have a repeat. We cannot allow political parties to unfairly go all-in on a candidate without allowing the primary process to run it's natural course forcing that party to pay attention to the citizens.

 

[fskimospy]

I agree we cannot have a repeat. We cannot allow political parties to unfairly go all-in on a candidate without allowing the primary process to run it's natural course forcing that party to pay attention to the citizens.

I'm interested to hear what you want to force these private organizations to do. It's also interesting that you appear to think that the party that got the most votes is the one that didn't listen to the citizens.

Anyone who isn't consumed by partisanship should be able to recognize that hostile foreign powers deliberately acting to influence our elections is a very large problem, one that demands both severe consequences for that power as well as a strong look at what we can do to limit it in the future.

 

[Jhhnn]

It really is the downside of democracy you are seeing here.
What did the russians really hack besides the obvious email hacks? I dont think its voting machines, but hey, who knows.

No they hacked your freedom of speech. Took the very foundation on which you base your strength, freedom, and pummeled it up your collective behinds. Some of you seem to like it too .

They controlled the narrative from manipualting the news feed, everything with public facade (fake news, facebook, twitter, tumbler, reddit, newspapers online, wikileaks, fox news etc etc) and you were force fed stories engineered to manipulate the people, of the land of the free, to act like lemmings. This is not hard to do, we are simple mammels after all and this system is not constructed to withstand this kind of harmful force and intent (specially not if coupled with a runner for president).

Beauty of this is that you cant counter cause Russia aint got your structure, Russia aint no democracy, you could flip 2/3'rds of the people, wouldnt matter jack.

IMO you got played, got run over, and I dont see you have the tools to counter.

Stated that many times. And I am involved cause we got these tactics breathing down our necks too. So I am worried, for things to come... And who do you turn to if not your allies in such times?

edit : another place in europe :
https://themoscowtimes.com/news/marine-le-pens-party-asks-russia-for-27-million-loan-51896

The propaganda for dismantling the EU from within is all over the place.
Sounds familiar? Divide and conquer?

Your thinking is a level up from who you're dealing with here, the victims of propaganda. You're absolutely right, of course, but they can't see it because they're already in thrall.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm interested to hear what you want to force these private organizations to do. It's also interesting that you appear to think that the party that got the most votes is the one that didn't listen to the citizens.

Anyone who isn't consumed by partisanship should be able to recognize that hostile foreign powers deliberately acting to influence our elections is a very large problem, one that demands both severe consequences for that power as well as a strong look at what we can do to limit it in the future.

Please. It demands that we take a hard look at ourselves more than anything else. When the message from Russian oligarchs is what you want to hear, it's time to re-evaluate what you believe in.