CIA: Russians hacks were meant to rig the election for Trump

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UberNeuman

Lifer
Nov 4, 1999
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We've long strongly suspected that the russians were behind the hacks. I don't see that changing anything. Is there some part in the constitution that says an election is invalid if a foreign power revealed email? We can get mad at them for interfering all we want, it doesn't change a thing.

Hey, it's only my spouse, my children, a little rape is okay, isn't it?
 
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So you're seriously claiming that either the Post or CIA is wrong, or that the allegations if true don't matter?

I swear, Putin could announce that he'd ordered the hacks to rig the election and you'd still be trying to rationalize this. Anything to avoid rethinking your choice of leaders.
Frankly it's nothing earthshaking to me, but have fun with it.
 

leper84

Senior member
Dec 29, 2011
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The government also swore there were WMD's in Iraq. I'd be willing to accept the fact that Russia was involved, but given our governments tendency to lie to push an agenda, lets see some proof.

Also completely missing from the conversation- at what point do the democrats take responsibility for the fucked up stuff revealed by the hacks? Just saying "Russia did it!!!" doesn't change that the hacks impacted the election because the (D)'s were up to no good.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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Obviously, with this new information, we should have another election.

Perhaps everyone that voted for Hillary needs some antidepressants next.

Denial
Anger
Bargaining <--------
Depression
Acceptance
You know this post-election period has been really traumatic for me. Back in HS, we read up on Kubler Ross' grief cycle and there were definitely seven stages in that cycle when we studied it. The two missing stages have got me bummed out and in denial. Searching the web, I see that some writers add Shock as the first stage ahead of Denial which is as I recall from HS. Some add Testing as a stage before Acceptance but I don't recall that one. So now I'll lie awake all night trying to remember the missing stage.

Edit: Found it! Guilt! Should have known, since I went to a Catholic HS.

Here is the correct and perfect Kubler Ross Stages of Grief (correct and perfect as this is how I learned them).

Shock
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Guilt
Depression
Acceptance
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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Who would have thought that conservatives would be the cause of the return of the Soviet Union and the downfall of their own nation.
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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The government also swore there were WMD's in Iraq. I'd be willing to accept the fact that Russia was involved, but given our governments tendency to lie to push an agenda, lets see some proof.

Also completely missing from the conversation- at what point do the democrats take responsibility for the fucked up stuff revealed by the hacks? Just saying "Russia did it!!!" doesn't change that the hacks impacted the election because the (D)'s were up to no good.

No, the Bush administration swore that. They straight up lied and exaggerated the actual intelligence provided to them. The intelligence community gave an honest and correct assessment of the situation and the Bush admin spun it to get what they wanted.

https://news.vice.com/article/the-c...t-that-supposedly-justified-the-iraq-invasion
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Who would have thought that conservatives would be the cause of the return of the Soviet Union and the downfall of their own nation.

Remember when the Russians & the American Right directed their propaganda against each other?

With the oligarchs in charge of Russia, they're now all on the same page for the Donald.
It seems unlikely that Russia wants a stronger America. Just a hunch.
 

Commodus

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Oct 9, 2004
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The New York Times is corroborating and says that multiple intelligence agencies have reached this conclusion.

Notably, the Russians are believed to have hacked both Democrats and Republicans, but conveniently didn't release info from the Republicans.
 

nageov3t

Lifer
Feb 18, 2004
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there's a great point people seem to be looking in the New York Times article -- that Russia hacked both the DNC and RNC, but only leaked the DNC's emails.

They based that conclusion, in part, on another finding — which they say was also reached with high confidence — that the Russians hacked the Republican National Committee’s computer systems in addition to their attacks on Democratic organizations, but did not release whatever information they gleaned from the Republican networks.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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I've figured all along that they hacked both the DNC and RNC. I've half been waiting for the other shoe to drop, and maybe it still will after the EC votes. If they dumped the RNC emails now and they show that the RNC was just as bad or worse than the DNC (which they would) it could case mass distrust and chaos, which would likely be good for the Russians. Especially since they already got their boy in there.

But then again, republicans wouldn't care what was in them, just like they don't care about Trump doing all of the things they have complained about Hillary doing.
 

norseamd

Lifer
Dec 13, 2013
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I've figured all along that they hacked both the DNC and RNC. I've half been waiting for the other shoe to drop, and maybe it still will after the EC votes. If they dumped the RNC emails now and they show that the RNC was just as bad or worse than the DNC (which they would) it could case mass distrust and chaos, which would likely be good for the Russians. Especially since they already got their boy in there.

But then again, republicans wouldn't care what was in them, just like they don't care about Trump doing all of the things they have complained about Hillary doing.

If they do that then they lose all leverage over the Republicans, and thus all leverage over the entire US government. They want the Republicans to dismantle NATO and lift all the sanctions.
 

HamburgerBoy

Lifer
Apr 12, 2004
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The New York Times is corroborating and says that multiple intelligence agencies have reached this conclusion.

Notably, the Russians are believed to have hacked both Democrats and Republicans, but conveniently didn't release info from the Republicans.

Just ignore this part:

One senior government official, who had been briefed on an F.B.I. investigation into the matter, said that while there were attempts to penetrate the Republican committee’s systems, they were not successful.

Podesta was a moron that fell for a phishing scam. The DNC, after realizing it was hacked, decided to send EVERYONE (including, yep, the commies) new passwords as a solution. It's not the fault of Republicans that Democrats are total failures when it comes to security.

Conveniently, that article not only keeps the names of the "high officials" anonymous, it keeps the entire intelligence agency anonymous.

Thanks for the fake news, broski.
 

norseamd

Lifer
Dec 13, 2013
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Just ignore this part:



Podesta was a moron that fell for a phishing scam. The DNC, after realizing it was hacked, decided to send EVERYONE (including, yep, the commies) new passwords as a solution. It's not the fault of Republicans that Democrats are total failures when it comes to security.

Conveniently, that article not only keeps the names of the "high officials" anonymous, it keeps the entire intelligence agency anonymous.

Thanks for the fake news, broski.

Or you can keep humping Comeys and Liz Spayds legs, and ignore that the CIA said something very different.
 

mnewsham

Lifer
Oct 2, 2010
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No matter which way it falls on it seems pretty fucked up to me.

Either our oldest and most respected media outlets are TOTALLY fucked and corrupt, the CIA is actually a liberal plot, or it's true and we've elected a russian puppet....


I don't really see how any of this is good.
 

norseamd

Lifer
Dec 13, 2013
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No matter which way it falls on it seems pretty fucked up to me.

Either our oldest and most respected media outlets are TOTALLY fucked and corrupt, the CIA is actually a liberal plot, or it's true and we've elected a russian puppet....


I don't really see how any of this is good.

The 4th Estate has always been corrupt and most concerned about its own agenda, profits, and benefits.

The chief editor of the New York Times, Liz Spayd has been reediting and in some cases even entirely deleting and replacing entire stories to manipulate news coverage and tilt the election in favor of Trump.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...rst_nyt_public_editor_column_is_real_bad.html

http://www.politico.com/media/tipsh...mistic-about-yahoo-dealfake-news-flynn-001171

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/1...erage-it-was-too-mean-trump-supporters/214578
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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No matter which way it falls on it seems pretty fucked up to me.

Either our oldest and most respected media outlets are TOTALLY fucked and corrupt, the CIA is actually a liberal plot, or it's true and we've elected a russian puppet....


I don't really see how any of this is good.
The people who voted for Trump, the ones their Grandparents would have had up on treason charges, are not afflicted with the problem of 'seeing'. They are all up on self congratulatory cloud 9 laughing their asses off with glee that thanks to the Russians, they elected a yuge time bomb and stupendous clown who will stick it to liberals, the very liberals in deed they invented and stuck far far up their asses.

"I'm not just eating worms, I'm going to make my butt explode. I'll teach you Mommy."
 

senseamp

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Well played, Vlad, well played. Decapitating your biggest geopolitical rival and discrediting democracy with a few hundred hackers and trolls. We may not like it, but we have to acknowledge the brilliance of what Putin has accomplished. US is now more of a Putin's bitch than Ukraine, which went down the same road but wisened up. I mean he even turned the US FBI director into a useful idiot.
 

baydude

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Sep 13, 2011
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So did a majority of the American people care more about Russia being involved in the hacking or what was exposed as a result of the hacking?

Hillary already made that argument during the debate and the American people didn't seem to care?
 

sportage

Lifer
Feb 1, 2008
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Putin got Trump elected?
The commies love affair with Donald Trump?
Lets see if the new republican congress endlessly investigates this as they did those fake Hillary scandals.
Ya thunk?
 
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