CIA: Russians hacks were meant to rig the election for Trump

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UglyCasanova

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Did t read the thread like I said, but Greenwaldis saying take anonymous CIA claims of Russian hacking with a grain of salt.
 

nageov3t

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Did t read the thread like I said, but Greenwaldis saying take anonymous CIA claims of Russian hacking with a grain of salt.
it's not like this is a single source... every intelligence agency in the US has said that they believe Russia was behind the hacks into the DNC and John Podesta.

the new information that came out this weekend was that the CIA, FBI, and Homeland Security also believe that they hacked the RNC and that their motivations were to aid Trump... take the second two with a grain of salt if you need to, but it doesn't seem to change the fundamentals of the case that Russia was actively trying to subvert the US election (and if they're doing it here, they're probably also doing it in Europe)
 
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I haven't read the whole thread but here's a good article from Glenn Greenwald:

https://theintercept.com/2016/12/10...ussia-beliefs-are-no-substitute-for-evidence/
He wants to see the evidence, but I very much doubt we would ever see all the evidence publicly. The intelligence agencies wouldn't want to reveal too much about how they know something, lest they give away their capabilities and sources.

The FBI said the RNC wasn't hacked (although how would they know). CIA also said Iraq had wmd's.
From what I understand, the CIA basically said Iraq most likely doesn't have an active WMD program and it was the political apparatus of the Bush administration that dropped many of qualifiers in the intelligence assessment to make it seem like intelligence backed up the narrative they were selling.
http://www.businessinsider.com/here...intelligence-assessment-on-wmd-in-iraq-2015-3
An expurgated version of the document was released as the result of a Freedom of Information Act request in 2004. But it wasn't until last year that a transparency activist named John Greenwald was able to obtain the intelligence estimate in its entirety. Greenwald provided the document to Jason Leopold of Vice News, which published it with analysis on March 19th.

The document determines that Saddam Hussein had an active chemical weapons program — although crucially, the CIA couldn't prove that his regime had actually resumed producing chemical and biological agents and cast doubt on the actual extent of Saddam's program.

The intelligence estimate also heavily qualified its evidence of any link between Saddam's regime and al Qaeda, noting that the sources were not entirely reliable.

The full document allows for a comparison of the CIA's actual findings with both the Bush administration's pre-war claims, and later post-war assessments of Saddam's actual WMD capabilities.

In December, the RAND Corporation issued a report that stated the CIA assessment "contained several qualifiers that were dropped ... As the draft NIE went up the intelligence chain of command, the conclusions were treated increasingly definitively."
 

jeff_in_MD

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CIA director said it was a slam dunk. I agree we arent likely to see what the evidence is though.
Depending on what evidence they show it might tell the hackers what mistakes they made that led to being caught. Most of the time the hackers do not want the person to know they were hacked so they try to remove any trace of the hack. They might have a mole within the organization that did the hacking and they don't want them to be found out. If it is a foreign government it might lead to torture or death.
 

HamburgerBoy

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I'm interested to hear what you want to force these private organizations to do. It's also interesting that you appear to think that the party that got the most votes is the one that didn't listen to the citizens.

So you take issue with a law prohibiting private organizations from choosing how to participate in the election process, but apparently have no problem with a law prohibiting private individuals from choosing to run in the primary process. Got it. Must be fun being a hack.
 

FIVR

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I really wonder about the rationality in openly criticizing an agency that is known to have participated in the assassination of one president already. Trump loves conspiracy theories too, so we can only assume he believes in the theory that the CIA assisted in the execution.


The CIA are not to be trifled with, they are dangerous. I wonder what they have in store for this orange man.
 

HamburgerBoy

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I really wonder about the rationality in openly criticizing an agency that is known to have participated in the assassination of one president already. Trump loves conspiracy theories too, so we can only assume he believes in the theory that the CIA assisted in the execution.

The CIA are not to be trifled with, they are dangerous. I wonder what they have in store for this orange man.

Kennedy was as scum as anyone else, fear-mongering his way into the White House and failing in his attempts at confronting communism internationally. Maybe the CIA did America a solid.
 

FIVR

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Kennedy was as scum as anyone else, fear-mongering his way into the White House and failing in his attempts at confronting communism internationally. Maybe the CIA did America a solid.

Perhaps they will do America a solid again.
 

senseamp

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Putin's puppet is going to be running the US, elected by many of the same people who elected Reagan. Isn't it ironic, don't you think?
 

norseamd

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Kennedy was as scum as anyone else, fear-mongering his way into the White House and failing in his attempts at confronting communism internationally. Maybe the CIA did America a solid.

He wasnt really all that bad, and in fact it probably would have been better for America had he never been assassinated.
 

leper84

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Sources. Where are the sources? Where are the official statements? Where is the proof? We're all going on like this is concrete proof but I've yet to see one single shred of evidence that isn't an 'anonymous official' or one single intelligence agency put out statement putting this on the record. Right now its a media narrative gone wild and has as much credibility as a steaming pile of bull crap.

People in this thread are borderline accusing the Republican party of treason without a single damn bit of proof. Its ridiculous.
 

jman19

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He wants to see the evidence, but I very much doubt we would ever see all the evidence publicly. The intelligence agencies wouldn't want to reveal too much about how they know something, lest they give away their capabilities and sources.


From what I understand, the CIA basically said Iraq most likely doesn't have an active WMD program and it was the political apparatus of the Bush administration that dropped many of qualifiers in the intelligence assessment to make it seem like intelligence backed up the narrative they were selling.
http://www.businessinsider.com/here...intelligence-assessment-on-wmd-in-iraq-2015-3

Yeah but that's not what Trump said, and facts don't matter. So, uh, yeah...
 

IronWing

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People in this thread are borderline accusing the Republican party of treason without a single damn bit of proof. Its ridiculous.
Well, GOP are the party of treason, at least in the 20th century. In the 19th century, it was the Democrats.
 

Kazukian

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Craig Murray, the former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan, who is a close associate of Assange, called the CIA claims “bullshit”, adding: “They are absolutely making it up.”

“I know who leaked them,” Murray said. “I’ve met the person who leaked them, and they are certainly not Russian and it’s an insider. It’s a leak, not a hack; the two are different things.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...lp-trump-win-election-report?CMP=share_btn_tw

I strongly suspect it was an internal leak. Assange & Wikileaks have been 100% accurate, Assange says it wasn't the Russians.
 

FIVR

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Well now that the admitted molester and concern troll believes it was an internal leak we can just throw those CIA reports out the window. Who would trust the CIA when you have the Uzbek ambassador to the UK calling BS on these reports? Uzbeks are known to be the most trustworthy people on earth.

Accused rapist Assange is also highly credible.
 

shady28

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CIA director said it was a slam dunk. I agree we arent likely to see what the evidence is though.

We already know how Podesta's emails got hacked though. I have to assume that they (the CIA) are referring to the DNC leak. However, the DNC leak was not nearly as damaging as Podesta's, the DNC leaks mostly revealed collaboration against Bernie Sanders by the DNC.

Podesta's emails themselves revealed how he got hacked. He responded to a phishing email telling him his gmail account was hacked and he needed to change his password, he asked his IT staff who told him to immediately change his password, so he did and it directed him to a server in Ukraine.

So that part is not news except to those who have ignored the emails.
 
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