Cingular wireless internet

Ike0069

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Ok, here's the situation.
Very rural area with no DSL or cable available. We want to home network 3 computers, so the only available options are satellite or wireless thru a cell phone provider.

The Cingular plan is a better price, but they offer several different "wireless air cards". Some are EDGE only, and some are EDGE/GPRS. What is the difference?

Also, are there any special requirements for networking thru this type of ISP, as opposed to a Cable/DSL wired connection? The cards are typical wireless cards that slide into a laptop. What kind of adaptor is needed for use in a PC?

Any help on this subject is much appreciated.
 

polm

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Different modulation techniques, I beleive.

You get greater available bandwidth using EDGE.
 

nightowl

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Just so you know, the latency is very high on those cards. My GF has one and pings are around 200-300ms. It works though and it is nice to have when you are in a place where you cannot get internet normally.
 

LandRover

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((Bumping this thread from the dead))
Anyone know more about this? I am in a similar situation and am wondering about EDGE wireless from Cingular. According to nightowl's posting, the ping would be similar to dial-up? Would it really be that bad on EDGE?
 

AkaJoseonFW

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I would guess you could use something like the Belkin F5D8000 in your desktop computer. But instead of using the wireless card provided by Belkin with the kit, I would hope you could use the card provided by Cingular to give the primary workstation internet access and then share the internet connection via an ethernet card on same workstation to a switch (or would a simple hub work?) and then run cat5 or cat6 to the other workstations.

I would be curious how to set up the same computer to share the connection wirelessly...someone chime in and let me know if I'm on the right track here...

I theorize that you'd set up a wireless "bridge" or would it be an access point off the ethernet jack on the computer with the Cingular card and then set up the other end of the "bridge" to a switch that would in turn feed the other workstations.

Any thoughts... do these cards allow you to set them to be always on? What about the one's from Sprint, too?

J
 

imported_digitalelegance

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Before you go with Cingluar, check out Sprint or Verizon's EV-DO coverage. I'm in the same situation as the OP, and Verizon EV-DO works great for my needs. Pings are around dial-up range, but with much faster download rates (30KB/sec up to about 70, where I am), you won't notice it as much for web surfing and downloading.

I've got 3 computers on a network sharing the EV-DO connection (I'm not sure about Verizon's TOS on this). The cellular PC card is in my laptop, and I use ICS to share it through the laptop's wireless card.

There's a Keyocera EV-DO wireless router that just came out that you plug the PC card into, and it acts like any other wireless AP. I think it's called the KR-1. The current model doesn't work with EDGE, but future models will.
 

eDRoaCH

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As for the card itself, they do make interfaces that fit in 5 1/4" bays for PCMCIA cards and that should be preferable to using a card like that belkin.

As for the home networking, I would seriously look into seeing if Smoothwall or Astaro or another firewall operating system supported the card (tho the odds are quite low) so you can have the functionality of a real router.

IF not, I would probably use an older comp running w2k to do the connection sharing, its just better not to have it on a computer you use all the time.

as for using the cell providers, sorry I have no imput
 

RebateMonger

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Originally posted by: nightowl
Just so you know, the latency is very high on those cards. My GF has one and pings are around 200-300ms. .
As a former user of Sprint Broadband, I LAUGH at your 200-300ms ping times! Try 1200ms pings on Sprint Broadband!
 

yukichigai

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Okie-dokie, let me explain:

EDGE is a fancy system that Cingular has started adding to their cell towers. It has a lot more capabilities in terms of what it can transmit and how fast it can do it, but it isn't nearly as widely used as GPRS. GPRS, on the other hand, is a bit slower -- roughly 1.5x the speed of dialup, not counting the ping times -- but is very widely used now.

If you're going to use the wireless connection in only one spot you could go with the EDGE card, provided you have coverage there. However, given the picky nature of cell phone towers you might want to get an EDGE/GPRS card just in case one or the other goes down for a while.

If you already have an account with Cingular, particularly a Family Talk plan, it will likely be cheaper to add on another phone -- one that is EDGE and bluetooth enabled -- and an unlimited data transfer plan. I know on my phone the unlimited data plan was only $20/mo, despite the fact that the website lists no such plan on it. Go in to the store and talk to a Cingular rep just to be sure you can't beat the $60/mo charge for EDGE/GPRS broadband access. If you can get it cheaper invest in a bluetooth card or USB adaptor -- I've seen 'em for $10 or so online -- and you can use bluetooth to connect to the phone, using it as a modem.

Now as far as connecting up the network, you have a few options:

1) Simple method: Install the Cingular card on one system in the house and configure it to use Internet Connection Sharing. The downside of this is that you have to manually configure the IPs of each computer or device on the network -- no DHCP is offered -- and make sure they all use 192.168.0.1 as the default gateway. You'll also be unable to set up anything like port forwarding or the like, which could make using your broadband to the full extent tricky for anybody not on the "main" computer.

2) Somewhat more complex method: aquire a server OS and a vaguely decent computer or laptop. (Since the Cingular card will be PCMCIA) The only issue I can forsee would be finding drivers for Server 2k3 if you go the Windows route, so try using Server 2k instead. (or better yet, some build of Linux if you can find drivers for the card you're using) The tricky part will be configuring the server OS properly, but you'll be able to set up things like a DHCP server and port forwarding, which will make things much easier for every other computer on the network.

Now there are a bunch of details I left out -- a lot of details, don't want to type 'em up for one plan if you aren't going to use it -- but once you pick one I can walk you through it. Regardless of which way you decide to go you'll either need to use a laptop as the "connection server" or you'll have to purchase a PCMCIA drive or adaptor. (Unless you wind up doing it through a phone)

I also HIGHLY recommend asking specific questions about whether or not the Cingular cards can be used such that you can network them. Certain ones may have issues if they require special software to connect, etc.; remember, these were primarily designed for business executives on the go.

Good luck with it. Let me know if you need help; I'm glad to assist you, as I'm quite curious to see how successful this is.
 

dmcowen674

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Good info everyone. :thumbsup:

Edge is not quite on every cell tower because it requires a special edge radio in the cell tower and not every slot filled with an Edge radio so in a busy area can fill up and or run out of T-1 bandwidth back to the Cell Switch.

Older radios have GPRS built into them. GPRS is very slow like a dial up modem.
 

DaveDD

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There was an interesting review article on New York Times yesterday by Tech Editor David Pogue. I saw this coolest thing call 3G Phoebus. I bought one and it just like David Pogue said his this article. It is really cool, really easy to use, I am really happy. I check out the developer website: http://www.topglobalusa.com which has several such products. It works great with EVDO, it also works with Cingular EDGE/UMTS/HSDPA according to the datasheet.
 

yukichigai

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Originally posted by: DaveDD
There was an interesting review article on New York Times yesterday by Tech Editor David Pogue. I saw this coolest thing call 3G Phoebus. I bought one and it just like David Pogue said his this article. It is really cool, really easy to use, I am really happy. I check out the developer website: http://www.topglobalusa.com which has several such products. It works great with EVDO, it also works with Cingular EDGE/UMTS/HSDPA according to the datasheet.
3G is a far superior protocol, I agree. However, the liklihood of 3G service being available in a rural area like the OP described is minimal, hence why I didn't mention it.

In a few years, sure. Right now I'm 97% sure there's not going to be any 3G coverage where the OP wants to set up this network.
 
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