Circuit City fires 3400 employee's.

[shilala]

Originally posted by: Amused
The sense of entitlement in this country is simply amazing.

Not nearly as amazing as the nonsense of "global economy".

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: Amused
The sense of entitlement in this country is simply amazing.

Not nearly as amazing as the nonsense of "global economy".

Why is a global economy nonsense? The world is getting smaller all the time. If we don't participate in global trade, we'll be left far behind. Protectionism ALWAYS fails.

Life is not "fair." Get used to that and do it quick, or you'll spend the rest of your life unsuccessful and bitter.

 

[BigJ]

Same thing happened at Home Depot and look at all the negative press they've been getting lately as it all comes to a head.

 

[Kilim]

Originally posted by: Leros

Originally posted by: richardycc
tweeter is closing ~33% of their stores, retail electronic is dead. It's all internet's fault!

I just hope internet prices don't go up.

Of course Internet prices will go up when retail stores die out.

 

[Fritzo]

I hate shopping at Circuit City...whenever I get something, I can never find anyone to take my damn money! And when I do, there's always some big deal where they have to check with a dozen people to get their register fixed. It might be me, but just two days ago was a perfect example: I went in to buy a PC game marked $37.99, it took 10 minutes for a cashier to come over to the register (she was chatting with a group of other employees in the stereo dept), then the game kept ringing up at $49.99, so she had to go to the main service desk and fiddle with a computer, then came back, gave me a reciept, and didn't say sorry for the wait or anything. Something like this happens EVERY FRICKIN' TIME.

As bad as Best Buy is, I've never had a problem there. In and out in 10 minutes guaranteed.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Amused
The sense of entitlement in this country is simply amazing.

Heh I agree with this. It's like how you have American's complaining about the illegals "stealing" their jobs, when in reality, they are doing jobs that Americans are too fvcking lazy to do for the pay they would be receiving.

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: Amused
The sense of entitlement in this country is simply amazing.

Not nearly as amazing as the nonsense of "global economy".

Why is a global economy nonsense? The world is getting smaller all the time. If we don't participate in global trade, we'll be left far behind. Protectionism ALWAYS fails.

Life is not "fair." Get used to that and do it quick, or you'll spend the rest of your life unsuccessful and bitter.

Maybe I'm old school, but my father always said "Son, take care of you and yours first. Then do whatever you can for others."
Supporting Japan, Germany, China, India, or Indonesia is not taking care of me and mine.
I'm not making a "right or wrong" argument. All I know is that if I am supporting the Japanese economy rather than my own, I should be looking for a job in Japan. Simply because Japan is going to be able to make jobs available by virtue of the fact that I've given them my money.
As our money goes overseas, so do our jobs. Strange coincidence there.
There's a balance to global trade that we as a country have not found. It's stems directly from the entitlement, me, me, me attitude you mentioned.
"I want what I want and I want it now, and I want it at the lowest price at any cost."
That's the same selfishness as entitlement.
And it's killing us.

Protecting our interests makes perfectly good sense.
We buy wheat gluten from China at a lower price than we can buy wheat gluten in the United States. That's despite the fact that we pay farmers not to plant crops, and have wheat rotten in silos all over the midwest. We spend millions to bail farmers out.
How does that make sense?
How is it conscienable to allow our our own brothers to be beat when we don't hold other countries to the same standards that we impose on ourselves?
It isn't even silly, it's retarded.
And it sure as hell isn't right.

The whole ideal of "global economy" is warping our youngest and brightest minds. And it's an easy sell when they already think that "they're going to get what they deserve" because of the entitlement attitude.

Do you know what bore the entitlement attitude and why it's so prevalent in today's society?

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: shilala
I won't walk in a CC because I hate the business model. It's almost as bad as Sears.

What's wrong with Sears? I went in there to buy a grill last week and I literally had three people helping me. As they were ringing up the grill, one guy ran to get a cover I wanted and another went to check if they could assemble it for free (which they did). Great store.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: Amused
The sense of entitlement in this country is simply amazing.

Not nearly as amazing as the nonsense of "global economy".

Why is a global economy nonsense? The world is getting smaller all the time. If we don't participate in global trade, we'll be left far behind. Protectionism ALWAYS fails.

Life is not "fair." Get used to that and do it quick, or you'll spend the rest of your life unsuccessful and bitter.

Global wage arbitrage is happening, and it's going to suck for all of us. This isnt an argument against it, just that it sucks. There is no stopping it. Our lifestyle is bound to go down, and in turn the lifestyle of the developing world is bound to go up. Lets just hope that when we reach that happy medium, we're not all living the lifestyle of someone in backwoods Mississippi. One thing you have to realize though, while earnings might go down, the buying power of our money is bound to go up. Just look at the price of electronics and other goods since we've started offshoring it's production. I remember when buying a family TV was like buying a family car, it was damn expensive.

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: shilala
I won't walk in a CC because I hate the business model. It's almost as bad as Sears.

What's wrong with Sears? I went in there to buy a grill last week and I literally had three people helping me. As they were ringing up the grill, one guy ran to get a cover I wanted and another went to check if they could assemble it for free (which they did). Great store.

Take it back today and see what sort of zeal you encounter.
20 years ago Sears was "THE" place to buy anything. You could count on quality, service, professionalism, and attitude.
Nowadays our Sears store is pathetic. The quality of merchandise is right on par with Walmart. A store return is beyond painful.
Hopefully your Sears store is a lot better than mine.

 

[rh71]

how much did they make outside of commission ?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: Amused
The sense of entitlement in this country is simply amazing.

Not nearly as amazing as the nonsense of "global economy".

Why is a global economy nonsense? The world is getting smaller all the time. If we don't participate in global trade, we'll be left far behind. Protectionism ALWAYS fails.

Life is not "fair." Get used to that and do it quick, or you'll spend the rest of your life unsuccessful and bitter.

Maybe I'm old school, but my father always said "Son, take care of you and yours first. Then do whatever you can for others."
Supporting Japan, Germany, China, India, or Indonesia is not taking care of me and mine.
I'm not making a "right or wrong" argument. All I know is that if I am supporting the Japanese economy rather than my own, I should be looking for a job in Japan. Simply because Japan is going to be able to make jobs available by virtue of the fact that I've given them my money.
As our money goes overseas, so do our jobs. Strange coincidence there.
There's a balance to global trade that we as a country have not found. It's stems directly from the entitlement, me, me, me attitude you mentioned.
"I want what I want and I want it now, and I want it at the lowest price at any cost."
That's the same selfishness as entitlement.
And it's killing us.

Protecting our interests makes perfectly good sense.
We buy wheat gluten from China at a lower price than we can buy wheat gluten in the United States. That's despite the fact that we pay farmers not to plant crops, and have wheat rotten in silos all over the midwest. We spend millions to bail farmers out.
How does that make sense?
How is it conscienable to allow our our own brothers to be beat when we don't hold other countries to the same standards that we impose on ourselves?
It isn't even silly, it's retarded.
And it sure as hell isn't right.

The whole ideal of "global economy" is warping our youngest and brightest minds. And it's an easy sell when they already think that "they're going to get what they deserve" because of the entitlement attitude.

Do you know what bore the entitlement attitude and why it's so prevalent in today's society?

Wow...

Go learn what made the Great Depression so bad and get back to me.

Meanwhile, if you cannot grow and change with the times, you will fall behind and collapse. The world will pass us by while we focus on ourselves instead of global trade.

In other words, stop listening to and idealizing people who are nothing more than small minded sticks in the mud and look at reality.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Amused
The sense of entitlement in this country is simply amazing.

Heh I agree with this. It's like how you have American's complaining about the illegals "stealing" their jobs, when in reality, they are doing jobs that Americans are too fvcking lazy to do for the pay they would be receiving.

How about "too fvcking educated". Why the hell would someone want a $10/hr job when hey have a B.S. or a Masters degree? Those jobs were designed for teenagers or unmarried "40 year old virgin" types.

 

[iversonyin]

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Story


I worked at Circuit ****** for 3 1/2 years (thank god I quit). I had a bunch of friends that used to work there, but most of them lost their job today. This just shows what kind of company Circuit City is. Its easy to say from an outsiders point of view that the company needed to cut costs etc... but you need to realize some of these people busted their ass for Circuit ****** for many years, and got nothing in return but "sorry, you're fired".

Not to mention, look at what they pay the CEO and other Exec's their.

Its horrible, sometimes I really hate big buisness. Always out to make a profit and not give a damn about their employees OR their customers.

so what exactly is your solution to this problem of Circuit City bleeding money? and what would you do if this was your company??

Give employees massive bonus.

It could work, at least it did for Henry Ford.

It did for Henry Ford because the automotive industry was at its infant stage where profit margin is high. Retailers margin is dead low. Seriously, you expect to work a career in RETAIL? Come on.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Amused
The sense of entitlement in this country is simply amazing.

Heh I agree with this. It's like how you have American's complaining about the illegals "stealing" their jobs, when in reality, they are doing jobs that Americans are too fvcking lazy to do for the pay they would be receiving.

How about "too fvcking educated". Why the hell would someone want a $10/hr job when hey have a B.S. or a Masters degree? Those jobs were designed for teenagers or unmarried "40 year old virgin" types.

I'm not talking about the people who have BS degrees complaining about it, I'm talking about the people who think they are too good to work at fast food and would rather collect welfare than do so.

Now if you have a BS and can't find a job, then you are just flat out dumb

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: iversonyin
Seriously, you expect to work a career in RETAIL? Come on.

Many people make a career out of retail. Only they go on to store manager, then regional manager positions and so on.

You cannot expect to make a career out of an ENTRY LEVEL job, no matter what field it is.

 

[geecee]

Originally posted by: shilala
Maybe I'm old school, but my father always said "Son, take care of you and yours first. Then do whatever you can for others."
Supporting Japan, Germany, China, India, or Indonesia is not taking care of me and mine.
I'm not making a "right or wrong" argument. All I know is that if I am supporting the Japanese economy rather than my own, I should be looking for a job in Japan. Simply because Japan is going to be able to make jobs available by virtue of the fact that I've given them my money.
...

I assume that when you talk about "supporting Japan, Germany, China, India or Indonesia" you are talking about products that are "perceived" to be brands or goods from those countries. Despite your lack of desire to acknowledge globalization, the reality is that most companies are going global. These multinational companies no longer have their fortunes tied to only one country/place and to say that you are supporting other countries buying certain brands and products is not so clear cut. Using the auto industry as an example, buying Toyota or Nissan may actually mean you ARE supporting the US somewhat because both of those companies have substantial manufacturing presence here in this country. Buying Chrysler these days actually means you may be supporting their parent company in Germany to some extent. Many of GM and Ford's cars are either assembled outside the US or have a substantial number of parts that are foreign manufactured. So perhaps you are NOT supporting the US as much as you think by buying "domestic"? Just illustrating a point.

 

[iversonyin]

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: Amused
The sense of entitlement in this country is simply amazing.

Not nearly as amazing as the nonsense of "global economy".

Why is a global economy nonsense? The world is getting smaller all the time. If we don't participate in global trade, we'll be left far behind. Protectionism ALWAYS fails.

Life is not "fair." Get used to that and do it quick, or you'll spend the rest of your life unsuccessful and bitter.

Maybe I'm old school, but my father always said "Son, take care of you and yours first. Then do whatever you can for others."
Supporting Japan, Germany, China, India, or Indonesia is not taking care of me and mine.
I'm not making a "right or wrong" argument. All I know is that if I am supporting the Japanese economy rather than my own, I should be looking for a job in Japan. Simply because Japan is going to be able to make jobs available by virtue of the fact that I've given them my money.
As our money goes overseas, so do our jobs. Strange coincidence there.
There's a balance to global trade that we as a country have not found. It's stems directly from the entitlement, me, me, me attitude you mentioned.
"I want what I want and I want it now, and I want it at the lowest price at any cost."
That's the same selfishness as entitlement.
And it's killing us.

Are we in a capitalist society or socialist? Move to Russia if you want.

How are we supporting Japan? We buy from Japan and China. They get bunch of US dollars- They in term, buy dollar denominated asset- like our government debt? Which in term allow our society to spend like morons. Global economy and trade works for exporting and importing countries. If we cut off Japanese and Chinese exporting firms, they won't have US dollar to buy our debt, interest rate would increase, corporate profit decline, and then massive layoff as corporation cut cost to survive.

What non-sense? I don't see any non-sense. And what are you suggesting anything that would make it better? Trade sanction?

 

[Ausm]

Welcome to life and capitalism.


Ausm

 

[iversonyin]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: iversonyin
Seriously, you expect to work a career in RETAIL? Come on.

Many people make a career out of retail. Only they go on to store manager, then regional manager positions and so on.

You cannot expect to make a career out of an ENTRY LEVEL job, no matter what field it is.

If I'm not mistaken, you need college degree to move OUT of those salemen position. Either way, RETAILERS' profit is so thin and they are so prone to economic downturn, why would anyone look for job security in retail?

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
CHARITY? Those employees made Circuit City a HELL of a lot more money by selling their crazy ass warranties and badgering customers to let CC install their antivirus software for 30 bucks.

You are confusing charity with 'treating employees well'

I believe that's called "Doing the job they are paid to do."

As much as I will agree that treating your employees well will help profits, companies are under no obligation to offer incentives just for doing a job you are already paid to do, and in an economy where people are minimizing costs to increase profits any way possible, I can't think of any reason why retail employees should be given any more than their standard wage and NOT be expendable.

As far as retail being a career... if you aren't in management, it's not a career... it's something to do that passes time and makes a little money as a nice bonus.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: iversonyin
Seriously, you expect to work a career in RETAIL? Come on.

Many people make a career out of retail. Only they go on to store manager, then regional manager positions and so on.

You cannot expect to make a career out of an ENTRY LEVEL job, no matter what field it is.

If I'm not mistaken, you need college degree to move OUT of those salemen position. Either way, RETAILERS' profit is so thin and they are so prone to economic downturn, why would anyone look for job security in retail?

I know a few people who have moved into management without a degree. One was a regional manager for Victoria's Secret in the south. (my ex-wife, to be exact)

 

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Always out to make a profit and not give a damn about their employees OR their customers.

Why should they give a damn about their customers? The customers don't give a damn about Circuit City. It's the customers who will use the Circuit City store and staff to research the products, then purchase the product from a website for a $5 savings. It's the customers who go out of their way to abuse Circuit City's price-matching policy. Going even further, it's the customers who when they have a defective product purchased from the internet, will purchase the same product from Circuit City, switch items, and make Circuit City give them the refund. It happens.
Bottom line is good service and caring for customers costs money - money that customers will not pay in this new millennium.

You are right about everything except the $5. :laugh:

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: kranky
I don't ever remember a company coming right out and saying they were going to fire people for making too much and immediately replace them with people who would be paid less. That is a shocker to me.

Originally posted by: BigJ
Same thing happened at Home Depot and look at all the negative press they've been getting lately as it all comes to a head.

History books will look back at this time to when mass emmigration began from the U.S. as America and Americans that once were looked at as the land of opportunity became the land of blight and dismay.

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: shilala

Originally posted by: Amused
The sense of entitlement in this country is simply amazing.

Not nearly as amazing as the nonsense of "global economy".

Why is a global economy nonsense? The world is getting smaller all the time. If we don't participate in global trade, we'll be left far behind. Protectionism ALWAYS fails.

Life is not "fair." Get used to that and do it quick, or you'll spend the rest of your life unsuccessful and bitter.

Maybe I'm old school, but my father always said "Son, take care of you and yours first. Then do whatever you can for others."
Supporting Japan, Germany, China, India, or Indonesia is not taking care of me and mine.
I'm not making a "right or wrong" argument. All I know is that if I am supporting the Japanese economy rather than my own, I should be looking for a job in Japan. Simply because Japan is going to be able to make jobs available by virtue of the fact that I've given them my money.
As our money goes overseas, so do our jobs. Strange coincidence there.
There's a balance to global trade that we as a country have not found. It's stems directly from the entitlement, me, me, me attitude you mentioned.
"I want what I want and I want it now, and I want it at the lowest price at any cost."
That's the same selfishness as entitlement.
And it's killing us.

Protecting our interests makes perfectly good sense.
We buy wheat gluten from China at a lower price than we can buy wheat gluten in the United States. That's despite the fact that we pay farmers not to plant crops, and have wheat rotten in silos all over the midwest. We spend millions to bail farmers out.
How does that make sense?
How is it conscienable to allow our our own brothers to be beat when we don't hold other countries to the same standards that we impose on ourselves?
It isn't even silly, it's retarded.
And it sure as hell isn't right.

The whole ideal of "global economy" is warping our youngest and brightest minds. And it's an easy sell when they already think that "they're going to get what they deserve" because of the entitlement attitude.

Do you know what bore the entitlement attitude and why it's so prevalent in today's society?

Wow...

Go learn what made the Great Depression so bad and get back to me.

Meanwhile, if you cannot grow and change with the times, you will fall behind and collapse. The world will pass us by while we focus on ourselves instead of global trade.

In other words, stop listening to and idealizing people who are nothing more than small minded sticks in the mud and look at reality.

I'm too sick and disinterested to debate with you today, but I'd love to.
Maybe we can argue later, eh?
I've gone around with you about this stuff before. I don't think we're far apart ideal-wise, but I think we're miles apart strategy-wise.
I'm full aware of what caused the Great Depression. Take a look at what party lead us into it, and which lead us out.
Try to draw similarities between then and now. I think you'll see that we have an opportunity to come out on top this time around without having to stimulate our own economy through infrastructure redevelopment and entitlement.