Civic beats a Ferrari!!!

[Nutcase99]

erikiksaz: 500 hp is alot but look at it this way too he will burn the engine out alot faster with a turbo and if he puts in a NOS he will definalty burn the engine really fast. Hell the engine will probably have a melt down if he goes the NOS route.

 

[jsm]

Even with a turbocharger, you have to wait for the turbos to spool before you feel the boost.

I have a 300zx twin turbo, and the only way I know of to get the turbos to spool up faster is to replace the ECU and get a lighter flywheel.

So, this means that getting a turbo charger would be nice - but it is the same thing as having a VTEC in the first place - it's all about high rpms. The American cars are famous for low end torque. So, without some kind of NOS system (most like a 3 stage NOS system) you're not doing well for the first few thousand rpms. By this time, the american car has already passed you up. And, there are over 1000hp Mustangs out there with turbos as well. One foolio even made a 1300hp Mustang. Off the line, the Hondas just wouldn't be able to touch them.

 

[Mill]

<< i have an si, fastest car under 20 k...trust me, itll beat a lot. >>



New Turbo Volkswagen Bug is faster. Want me to keep listing cars under 20k that are faster than a SI?

 

[lsd]

Some of you guys need to read motor trend....they do road course tests in some issues, not just a straight 1320 romp. Horsepower and straight line speed mean nothing if you can control the car.
I own a '87 monte carlo SS and a '90 maxima gxe... so I ain't no damn riceboy..I just don't like when people don't know what their talking about.

 

[NFS4]

<< Some of you guys need to read motor trend >>


I get blasted here on the BBS for reading mags like Motor Trend, C&amp;D, R&amp;T, Automobile, and CAR

 

[geno]

<< New Turbo Volkswagen Bug is faster. Want me to keep listing cars under 20k that are faster than a SI? >>


From what I'm seeing, they're about the same in the 1/4. In fact the stats I'm looking at show the Si as being faster. And for the love of god, could you find another example besides that cheesy Bug

 

[jsm]

I agree that speed is not the only issue when driving a car. If that were true, then everyone would aspire to purchase top fuel dragsters so we could quarter miles on 4 seconds or so.

I think that any Mustang, other than the Cobra, has some serious issues when it comes to handling. Mustangs are infamous for the rear wheels sliding out when taking turns.

On the other hand, one could easily take a full G turn in a Ferrarri. Can the same be said of a stock Civic SI? I think they were rated at a 0.85 G turn. Again, the Civic is beaten down.

The only argument for the Civic is price tag and the fact that you are going to look like so many others - driving a below average &quot;performance&quot; car.

 

[Dean]

A guy spends a bleeding fortune on a ferrari to drive it fast???..never happens...all that happens to ferrari's is that they get washed and waxed everday..they get babied!!

It's like going 4 wheeling with a Mercedes SUV...never happens!!

Now guys with suped up cars work on them and drive them fast everyday, if they blow an engine they just put a new one in.

You can read all the car mags you want too and paste up whatever numbers they publish, the people who end up buying ferrari's are middle aged well to do men who want the image more than the speed.

the guy in that video was doing what he should have been doing, driving the car under its limit to protect his INVESTMENT

 

[Dean]

<< Hell if any of them tried to race their Ferrari on a Mountain Course they'd probably end up over a cliff themselves. >>



Hehe!!..so true


hobbiests build fast machines and build serious 4x4 jeeps and compete for the thrill of it and drive those babies to their limit and sometimes beyond!!

 

[SuperGroove]

Red Dawn said:



<< No doubt. Those are the ones who can usually afford them. Hell if any of them tried to race their Ferrari on a Mountain Course they'd probably end up over a cliff themselves. >>




True dat. Course...wouldn't that mean a massive reduction in price on that junked Ferrari? Mmmm...junk yard restoration Ferrari.

For 20K you can find a lot of cars faster than the Civic Si. Try an '87 Porsche 928 S4. Oh....I want...I want.

As for new cars...bah...cars under 20K are starting to become overpriced econoboxes. 20K used to get you an Eagle Talon TSi.

Paul

 

[Dean]

<< For 20K you can find a lot of cars faster than the Civic Si. Try an '87 Porsche 928 S4. Oh....I want...I want. >>



And just wait till you drive it fast and start dropping parts faster than you drop the clutch!! And then waiting for weeks or months for a part that costs as much as you paid for the damn car!!

 

[Static911]

first off to all those who hate japanese cars...no wonder why u guys spend soo much money continually repairing your car..

True, in a drag race, Jap cars (heavily modified) can beat a lot of cars..

but to say go against F-1, let the mccaran go against a F-15 fighter in a quarter mile (duh)

u can't compare the class....

ive seen some modified vans and trucks that smoked jap cars...is it possible, yes. BUT HOW OFTEN DO U C THOSE?

American cars ARE MUSCLE CARS..nothing more than that....

jap cars are more versatile, racing on highway, racing on street roads, drag, etc...how come most of the time, American cars (mustangs, cameros Z-28 etc) lose to jap cars on highways (first off, IT IS STUPID AND CRAZY, DON'T DO IT); however, u don't need the 400+ HP, u need some power, but good handling of the car which Jap cars provide..


Static911

 

[Static911]

also, that Ferrari guy was sleeping (I believe he would've still edged out the Civic towards the end) since the civic doesn't get anymore boost (if the person had NOS) after 3rd gear i believe...

That Ferrari driver made himself look bad...

Static911

 

[lsd]

<< Now do you think that an integra type R would beat a Ferrari on a Mountain Road Course? >>


No it wouldn't. But a modded civic/ integra can/will.
Everything lies in the word &quot;modded&quot;. I'll post more tommorrow, time to get drunk

 

[Mill]

<< American cars ARE MUSCLE CARS..nothing more than that....

jap cars are more versatile, racing on highway, racing on street roads, drag, etc...how come most of the time, American cars (mustangs, cameros Z-28 etc) lose to jap cars on highways (first off, IT IS STUPID AND CRAZY, DON'T DO IT); however, u don't need the 400+ HP, u need some power, but good handling of the car which Jap cars provide... >>



Umm...you are wrong. The Camaro SS, WS6 Trans-Am, Mustang Cobra all handle better than a civic SI. The SI has some of the worst brakes that I have ever seen! Its stopping times suck.

Factor in how much faster a SS, WS6, a Cobra or a GT is and it will easily destroy the SI in a straight line and on the highway.

The ITR is a different story. Have you ever ridden in one? Does your friend own one? Mine does and I have ridden in it a bunch. We have raced each other a bunch too. In a straight line, it is no contest. My GT and my other friend's 2001 Z28 blow him away. Going through curves and winding roads it is the opposite. He leaves us there. He paid more than me and my friend paid for our cars.


BTW, except for curves(which you have more on secondary roads) what makes the highway better for japanese cars? They have low gearing and economy performance(until VTEC or your other alphabet soup of engine and cam timing nomenclature). They have a peaky torque and horsepower curve. Our cars have flat torque and horsepower curves.

Do you have anything to back up your statement that japanese cars always outhandle american cars? I don't think so. Go research your claims before you make them. BTW, what do you drive?

 

[Mill]

<< also, that Ferrari guy was sleeping (I believe he would've still edged out the Civic towards the end) since the civic doesn't get anymore boost (if the person had NOS) after 3rd gear i believe... >>



I missed that statement. It proves you have no clue what you are talking about. When did people start measuring Nitrous in boost? Boost is from turbos and superchargers. LOL. Why would he not use nitrous after 3rd gear? In a street race it would be better to spray in the later gears(traction). Also &quot;boost&quot; doesn't run out.

The distance they raced proved nothing. It was a short race(1/8 mile maybe a little more) and all it shows is that the civic could go fast in his low range. Allow the speeds to reach above 100mph and see who wins. BTW that looked like a stripped out civic. I would take the ferrari any day. Better car, faster, better looking, rarer, better exhaust tone, not stripped out, etc.

 

[Pacfanweb]

<<. I would take the ferrari any day. Better car, faster, better looking, rarer, better exhaust tone, not stripped out, etc. >>

So would the driver of the Civic. He'd trade cars with the Ferrari driver in a second, and then say &quot;who cares which one is faster, I'm driving a FERRARI!!&quot;

 

[Bojo]

Love and peace to you all.

May Ferrari drivers and Honda drivers come together in a melding of conciousness and settle their differences.

And please remember, if we all liked the same things life would be boring.

 

[Nessoldaccount]

Most of the people on this board seem to be ignorant &quot;anti-ricers&quot; when they have absolutely no clue what they're talking about. We have people on this board (Ornery) calling new Corollas &quot;factory-rice&quot;. The Civic raced the Ferrari and won. The Civic owner and other &quot;ricers&quot; are NOT trying to prove that a Civic is better than a Ferrari. Most of us do understand that there is a lot more to a car than straight-line speed. Interesting, that's why most &quot;ricers&quot; buy their Civic Si ($18k) or Integra Type-R ($25k) or even now the S2000 ($32k)...because there is more to a car than straight-line speed. They could easily afford a Mustang GT or Camaro Z28 for the same price or even less. However, these &quot;ricers&quot; buy Hondas because they are better cars. Better build quality, better interior, more reliable engines, good fuel economy. There is also a huge community for those with these cars. There is a strong sense of pride in having a Civic or Integra and to always be making your car better in speed, handling, or aesthetics that this board does not seem to understand, and that is ironic because owning and modifying a Civic is EXACTLY like what this board does with computers. You guys all love your overclocked Celerons past 1 GHz, and 60 FPS @ 1600x1200, smoking $4000 Gateways left and right in the benchmarks. Well, &quot;ricers&quot; like to challenge themselves, building up 4 bangers to out-perform more expensive and more powerful sports cars in every way. And for it, they get picked on by the muscle car community.

And by the way --- If I was lucky enough to own a Ferrari, I sure as hell would also have a few Civics, Integras, and S2000s in my garage to work on. Because those would be my creations, the Ferrari never would be.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

<< smoking $4000 Gateways >>


Gateway? The hell you say.:Q (ooo l337 rhyme)

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

<< and in doing so they make them look like a Clown Prop for Ringling Brother Circus. You almost expect to see about 20 clowns pile out of them when they stop somewhere. >>


That's kind of an unfair generalization. I can see why you don't like the rice look (frankly I don't either), but the phrase &quot;to each, his own&quot; comes to mind.

 

[Fireman]

A simple streat race with novice drivers...no facts here but that.

 

[Nutcase99]

heheheh cars arn't the only things that get riced. Haven't you seen some peoples computer cases??? If you HAVEN'T then check out....this for one. That looks like a riced case to me .

There are so many sites out there like that one no offence to whos site that is but that is the equivelant of a riced car.

 

[Mister T]

ummm... hello people.
Happy New Year.

Now can someone tell me how to view the damn race file?

 

[Nutcase99]

Happy new year everyone!

Mister T: Get Real player!