Civil War coming in Iran

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
In some related news, without posting the links, Achmadinejad has now arrested some thousand opposition leaders, and even major Iranian cleric groups are joining in to denounce the election as a fraud. I doubt this is an issue that will just go away if repressed.

But I agree, its an Iranian internal matter, any foreign entity that actively challenges Iran will only have the net effect of uniting Iran behind Achmadinejad.

You can seemingly apply that to two major issues.

1: The election
2: Their nuclear technology.

Of course we could do nothing, but if that is the case why are we so willing to let unstable and hostile regimes go along with nuclear development? Saying the whole thing could explode is quiet literal. We seem eager to take on this risk.

 

[ZeGermans]

http://www.pagereboot.com/?url...adinejad.ir/&refresh=1
http://www.pagereboot.com/?url...khamenei.ir/&refresh=1

twitter organized a ddos of ahmadinejad and khameni's webpages. join the fun!

 

[mozirry]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiTWipSQMmM

stuff looks like it's pretty intense! Where the hell is hte media coverage??

 

[Aimster]

The only way the regime will collapse is if people controlling the guns decide to join in

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Aimster
The only way the regime will collapse is if people controlling the guns decide to join in

Or stay out of the way.

 

[AccruedExpenditure]

doubt it
-AE

 

[Lemon law]

Naw, the ruling coalition in Iran just pissed in their own soup. How long it will take for the toxicity to kill is the question, meanwhile the ruling coalition will die the death of a thousand cuts. The more they declare their own credibility, the faster they will lose any credability.

 

[Pocatello]

The real power in Iran.

 

[Tab3076]

Originally posted by: mozirry


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiTWipSQMmM

stuff looks like it's pretty intense! Where the hell is hte media coverage??

They're probably be a big media blitz about it tomorrow.

 

[Aimster]

The regular police have apparently stayed out of the conflict.

It's the military force loyal to the regime that has moved in. Obviously these people are trained to be brutal and cruel. They will crush any movement and I am sure there is no punishment for them if they have to go out of their way to kill some of the protesters.

 

[mozirry]

cnn is having a 2 hour special tonight. No doubt they are getting the analysts together and up to speed. CNN has the most logical sounding commentary, but FOX is best at beating the war drums

From what I've heard, all journalists except for a few will be ousted tomorrow w/ expiring visas. Any who stay are confined to hotels. Basically a hug emedia blackout going on, some journalists getting beat up

Sorta reminds me of the blackshirts etc. from pre-wwii germany, with the "party police" beating communists and jews on the streets

 

[K1052]

This one looks ugly but probably not going to civil war level. The Iranian gov wants all the press out of the country so they can crack down on the dissenters out of the world's eye, a futile attempt with modern communications/electronics.

If the mullahs keep going like this though they'll definitely live to see the next revolution.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Aimster
The regular police have apparently stayed out of the conflict.

By choice or by instruction? I can only assume the later.

It's the military force loyal to the regime that has moved in. Obviously these people are trained to be brutal and cruel. They will crush any movement and I am sure there is no punishment for them if they have to go out of their way to kill some of the protesters.

In your opinion, do you think this will quell the protesters or is it possible it will only further enrage them to continue?

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: mozirry
cnn is having a 2 hour special tonight. No doubt they are getting the analysts together and up to speed. CNN has the most logical sounding commentary, but FOX is best at beating the war drums

From what I've heard, all journalists except for a few will be ousted tomorrow w/ expiring visas. Any who stay are confined to hotels. Basically a hug emedia blackout going on, some journalists getting beat up

Sorta reminds me of the blackshirts etc. from pre-wwii germany, with the "party police" beating communists and jews on the streets

Um...different country, different party.

I'm guessing you meant to say "Brownshirts"?

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: Aimster
The guy who lost is calling the leadership of Iran tyrants. If he said anything about the leadership of Iran prior to the election he wouldn't be allowed to run.

Iran counted 35 million votes in a matter of hours and some members in here are saying the election was accurate? The votes are all paper ballots.

I'm not saying there wasn't fraud as I really don't know, but Canada counts ~12-15 million paper ballots in several hours.

 

[mozirry]

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: mozirry
cnn is having a 2 hour special tonight. No doubt they are getting the analysts together and up to speed. CNN has the most logical sounding commentary, but FOX is best at beating the war drums

From what I've heard, all journalists except for a few will be ousted tomorrow w/ expiring visas. Any who stay are confined to hotels. Basically a hug emedia blackout going on, some journalists getting beat up

Sorta reminds me of the blackshirts etc. from pre-wwii germany, with the "party police" beating communists and jews on the streets

Um...different country, different party.

I'm guessing you meant to say "Brownshirts"?

yep, thx for the correction. I am sleepy

 

[mozirry]

what I find amazing about all of this after watching CNN"s special coverage, is well, the complete lack of coverage. Iran has such a grip on it's media that there is literally no established media available to gather information.

EVERYTHING seems to be coming from imbedded journalists via cell phone and what seems the vast majority from "tweets" and uploaded youtube videos from people's cell phones.

I believe history may look back on this and see this as the "Vietnam" of this generation as far as the next media revolution. The tech has been here for a while, but it seems now it is universally used and accepted.

 

[da loser]

Originally posted by: mozirry
what I find amazing about all of this after watching CNN"s special coverage, is well, the complete lack of coverage. Iran has such a grip on it's media that there is literally no established media available to gather information.

EVERYTHING seems to be coming from imbedded journalists via cell phone and what seems the vast majority from "tweets" and uploaded youtube videos from people's cell phones.

I believe history may look back on this and see this as the "Vietnam" of this generation as far as the next media revolution. The tech has been here for a while, but it seems now it is universally used and accepted.

yeah it's quite interesting how the main stream media has been shut out. while normal people seem to be able to get out the message.

 

[Aimster]

Well it doesn't look like they are afraid to attack the police..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keEVDq2NpoY

 

[SickBeast]

Uprisings like this are why the US military does not need to get involved nearly as much as it does.

Cheney and Bush are war criminals.

 

[piasabird]

So do you still think we can have diplomacy with these fascist dictators in Iran?

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: piasabird
So do you still think we can have diplomacy with these fascist dictators in Iran?

Why even bother with them? Let their own people deal with the problem. I have no issue with boycotting them; we don't need to trade with a country who's doing crap like that. I'm just saying that the military should not be an option until they are showing obvious signs of aggression, which they are not (yet).

 

[Aimster]

A military option has never been in place for Iran. Anyone who has been thinking so all these years is wrong and will continue to be wrong.
U.S will never engage Iran militarily. All the U.S will do is what it has done for the last 30 years. Sanctions.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Aimster
A military option has never been in place for Iran. Anyone who has been thinking so all these years is wrong and will continue to be wrong.
U.S will never engage Iran militarily. All the U.S will do is what it has done for the last 30 years. Sanctions.

Well, it does really bother me that these people want freedom and they can't seem to get it. Part of me wants the US or other countries to do something. That said, it's really up to the people of Iran to sort out their own destiny. Historically, the populace has revolted (and won) when conditions got bad enough.

The young people in Iran are intelligent and many want to change Iran. The problem is that most of them hate the US. That's not my main reason for suggesting that the US should stay out of there; it just solidifies my argument.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Aimster
The guy who lost is calling the leadership of Iran tyrants. If he said anything about the leadership of Iran prior to the election he wouldn't be allowed to run.

Iran counted 35 million votes in a matter of hours and some members in here are saying the election was accurate? The votes are all paper ballots.

sinsear just wants to kill brown people, he doesn't real;ly want or need a reason and definately doesn't want a good reason not to.