Clarification - Does TDP correspond to maximum gaming load power or not?

hsjj3

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There seems to be some uncertainty on this matter. On the main Graphics Card forum on this website, I even got my thread locked and received a warning from the mods for misleading.

So I would like to get some actual and substantiated proof about what TDP means. If both Nvidia and AMD define it differently, I would like to know that too.

People in that thread were saying that it refers to the cooling solution rather than the actual power usage.

Anyway, today there was a GTX 1060 "reviewers guide" (never knew there was such a thing!) that leaked, and in there Nvidia clarified what TDP meant to them:

TDP is a measure of maximum power draw over time in real world applications. It does not represent the maximum power draw in pathological cases such as Furmark. Please see [TDP wiki page] for more info.

They also quoted the Wiki article and highlighted two parts. The first part is similar to what they wrote above, the second part being that TDP cannot be compared across manufacturers. So possibly they mean AMD, maybe even against how Intel measures TDP for its CPUs.

So it's pretty telling that Nvidia never emphasized on the cooling solution part, but they quite clearly emphasized twice that the TDP is the power rating of the GPU when under heavy gaming loads.

What do you think about this? Do we have a "reviewers guide" from AMD that may clarify their stance on the TDP definition to them?

Reviewer's Guide: http://videocardz.com/62138/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-reviewers-guide-leaked

PS: I do not wish to talk about the TDP/power consumption of individual GPUs. That will just devolve into a shouting match and unnecessary insults. Let's talk about what TDP means in a broader sense to the two leading GPU manufacturers of our times.
 

Stuka87

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Historically AMD and nVidia have measured differently. nVidia typically measured average gaming power, where as AMD typically measured peak power consumption possible.

Although the most recent releases changed this a bit.
 

cusideabelincoln

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They change their definitions so there is no real answer to this. If we answer your question in the here and now, the answer to this same dilemma will probably change next year.

This define TDP to suit their needs in the here and now. To market the cards how they see fit. They are not consistent in doing so either.
 

Sabrewings

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TDP is a measure of how much power is used. It has nothing to do with the cooler, in and of itself. The way the cooler factors in is that all of that electrical energy is converted to heat and has to be removed, so an appropriately capable cooler is fitted.

Variances in definition will come from measuring at max conventional loads or measuring during loads that are not real world and intentionally designed to draw max power (create the most heat, i.e. furmark).
 

CriticalOne

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TDP is really a measure of how much you should expect to have to cool and supply power for given intended workloads and stock conditions. Its easy to make a card exceed its TDP by loading up a "power vampire" software like Furmark or Kombustor that taxes 100% of a GPU's resources which doesn't happen in typical gaming or video editing workloads.
 

positivedoppler

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If TDP is "Thermal Design Power," then wouldn't have everything to do with the cooling solution? I'm interpreting thermal as in how much heat the GPU generates. It doesn't take into account the stuff on the rest of the board. Unless the memory also requires cooling, then it's thermal characteristic is also relevant.
 

therealnickdanger

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TDP madness. MADNESS I tells ya! Personally, I've always ignored TDP and my life has been so much easier because of it.

1. Turn on PC
2. Use PC
3. Components getting too hot?
--A. Yes? Add fans
--B. No? Repeat Step 2
 

MangoX

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^-- Now this man knows what he's talking about! Since when did TDP matter to enthusiasts? We buy overspecialized PSUs and motherboards, whichare also marketed to gamers. Why is TDP now so important all of a sudden?
 

CriticalOne

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^-- Now this man knows what he's talking about! Since when did TDP matter to enthusiasts? We buy overspecialized PSUs and motherboards, whichare also marketed to gamers. Why is TDP now so important all of a sudden?

The obvious answer: not everyone is an enthusiast. Not everyone has a case that can handle 250W+ of graphics card heat. Not everyone has great PSUs either. Performance is great, but that joy is significantly stymied when it comes at the cost of much worse efficiency.
 

brandonmatic

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The obvious answer: not everyone is an enthusiast. Not everyone has a case that can handle 250W+ of graphics card heat. Not everyone has great PSUs either. Performance is great, but that joy is significantly stymied when it comes at the cost of much worse efficiency.

Yes, all else being equal, a lower wattage card is a significant benefit. My 290x can really ramp up the temperature in the room when it's going full tilt!
 

digitaldurandal

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Yes, all else being equal, a lower wattage card is a significant benefit. My 290x can really ramp up the temperature in the room when it's going full tilt!

You're welcome for a card that has continued to compete with the competition 3 year later. If they had stifled its performance for power savings that would likely not be the case.

You are not without options you can lower the power limit on the card at any time.
 

hsjj3

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^-- Now this man knows what he's talking about! Since when did TDP matter to enthusiasts? We buy overspecialized PSUs and motherboards, whichare also marketed to gamers. Why is TDP now so important all of a sudden?

Is Anandtech an enthusiast-only forum now or what? By definition I'm no enthusiast since I buy mid/low range GPUs, mid range PSU and have a stock Dell motherboard.

I thought this place was inclusive for everyone.
 

VeryCharBroiled

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TDP madness. MADNESS I tells ya! Personally, I've always ignored TDP and my life has been so much easier because of it.

1. Turn on PC
2. Use PC
3. Components getting too hot?
--A. Yes? Add fans
--B. No? Repeat Step 2

ive never worried about tdp either. as long as psu is decent and properly sized (ie plan ahead.. say 30-40% more power than worst case max load expected) just Run It.

idle power is more of a concern to me. my rigs tend to stay on 24/7, or at least with long timeouts for sleep/hibernate, depending on which rig.
 

therealnickdanger

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My post had nothing to do with being an enthusiast or not, but everything to do with prudence. The TDP of a given GPU, CPU, PSU, what have U, is by and large irrelevant to the everyday computer user. Most thermal issues can be resolved quickly and easily by adding or changing fans (often, just CLEANING fans). Others might require new thermal compound/HSF. Upgrading to a better case also doesn't require someone to be an enthusiast. $40 will get you a case with six 120mm fans.
 
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