Clarkdale proves that HT is NOT a gimmick

[Hey Zeus]

What a dog without HT

4.6Ghz, HT Off :

HT On :

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4.8Ghz, HT Enabled :

 

[cbn]

Thanks for the information.

Will you have some time to run gaming benchmarks also?

 

[Hey Zeus]

Thanks for the information.

Will you have some time to run gaming benchmarks also?

I'll take care of it for tomorrow for everyone as i am right now trashed.

 

[cbn]

I'll take care of it for tomorrow for everyone as i am right now trashed.

If you have any quad core optimized games to test that would be great

Running at low resolution would be a bonus as that will more easily demonstrate the true performance differences (as well as remove the 9600 GTs from the equation).

 

[Cogman]

HT was never considered a hoax, it worked. The problem was that when it initially came out, single-threading was king. The speed hit that came with HT was unacceptable for many.

Now, MT is king, having the extra logical cores at a fairly low price is great

 

[cbn]

Now all we need is someone with Phenom II x4 and Megahalems to go up against Hey Zeus and his Overclocked Core i3.

Select the games, resolution, detail settings and then compare the gaming benchmarks.

Bargain chip vs AMD Flagship? How close are they when both are max 24/7 OC'd.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Now all we need is someone with Phenom II x4 and Megahalems to go up against Hey Zeus and his Overclocked Core i3.

Select the games, resolution, detail settings and then compare the gaming benchmarks.

Bargain chip vs AMD Flagship? How close are they when both are max 24/7 OC'd.

Just an FYI, but according to Frostytech, the best air cooler they've reviewed for socket AM3 is not the Megahalems but the 3RSystem Iceage 120 Boss II: http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2461

Since that heatsink is almost impossible to find, the #2 best HSF for AM2/AM2+/AM3 according to Frostytech appears to be the Zalman CNPS10X Extreme (no review available, which is a bit odd, but at least you can buy the thing).

I don't consider them to be the absolute authority on such things, but it's still interesting to note that the Megahalems wasn't considered to be "the best" for AM3. It's also interesting to see the Thermalright Ultra 120 so high on their list, but not the Ultra 120 eXtreme . . .

 

[Hey Zeus]

Now all we need is someone with Phenom II x4 and Megahalems to go up against Hey Zeus and his Overclocked Core i3.

Select the games, resolution, detail settings and then compare the gaming benchmarks.

Bargain chip vs AMD Flagship? How close are they when both are max 24/7 OC'd.

Have the comparo you want right here bro.

I3 @ 4.8Ghz Vs X4 965 @ 3.8Ghz

 

[cbn]

Have the comparo you want right here bro.

I3 @ 4.8Ghz Vs X4 965 @ 3.8Ghz

Sometimes gaming benchmarks are different, although I do realize the Core i3 does take a good sized hit a higher frequencies due to its reduced memory performance and lack of L3 cache.

 

[Hey Zeus]

Sometimes gaming benchmarks are different, although I do realize the Core i3 does take a good sized hit a higher frequencies due to its reduced memory performance and lack of L3 cache.

Agreed. In the benchmarks suite i linked it does quite well against the 965. Meh.. We'll see what she'll do in games

 

[StrangerGuy]

I'm strongly suspect the OP is a Intel advertiser that promotes i3 overenthusiastically in this board...

 

[Hey Zeus]

I'm strongly suspect the OP is a Intel advertiser that promotes i3 overenthusiastically in this board...

IF that were the case don't you think i would have an ES of a 32nm Quad in my room?

I'm just an Intel Fanboi. Plain and simple

 

[TurtleCrusher]

IF that were the case don't you think i would have an ES of a 32nm Quad in my room?

I'm just an Intel Fanboi. Plain and simple

No need to listen to any more of his posts.

 

[Ben90]

Are you joking me Scholzpdx? Its not like he is going around parading Clarkdale as the best processor in history. If he was acting like the guys on AMDzone then yea i wouldn't listen to him either. But the guy is being real and saying the processor is weak in a lot of areas, but is fun as hell to overclock.

Grow the hell up

 

[DrMrLordX]

Have the comparo you want right here bro.

I3 @ 4.8Ghz Vs X4 965 @ 3.8Ghz

Not to be a party pooper or anything, but 3.8 ghz hardly represents the max 24/7 OC for a 965BE; many have reached 4 ghz with those chips. Also, the limited information gives no indicator of NB speed which is highly relevant to the performance of an overclocked Deneb. If someone just ramped up the cores on an X4 965BE without touching the NB, they left performance on the table.

Also, that's a fairly limited benchmark suite, but it's better than nothing. The i3 certainly does seem to struggle more mightily there than I would have expected.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

Are you joking me Scholzpdx? Its not like he is going around parading Clarkdale as the best processor in history. If he was acting like the guys on AMDzone then yea i wouldn't listen to him either. But the guy is being real and saying the processor is weak in a lot of areas, but is fun as hell to overclock.

Grow the hell up

:awe:

Grow the hell up.

 

[Rifter]

I'm strongly suspect the OP is a Intel advertiser that promotes i3 overenthusiastically in this board...

This x2

And synthetic benchmarks mean nothing. Actual gaming/application performance is what matters, i dont know why people get so hungup on 3dmark and pcmark, does everyone really build computers just to run 3dmark or to actually use them for real world apps/games.

 

[biostud]

HT is good as it speed up certain operations, the original problem with HT is not HT but the P4 processors competing against A64, which at the time was a better processor in most cases. The only thing the P4 excelled at was encoding and 3D, which both benefitted from HT.

Just the same now, HT is beneficial for encoding, 3D and similar, but is not going to affect gaming.

 

[Maximilian]

HT is great.... on an i7! i3 sucks, its a glorified dual core, plain and simple. With amds cheap quads and the real i5's and i7's theres no point in going dual anymore.

 

[Cogman]

No need to listen to any more of his posts.

2nded, Being a fanboy disqualifies you from saying anything about a processors performance (its called bias).

 

[Markfw]

Just an FYI, but according to Frostytech, the best air cooler they've reviewed for socket AM3 is not the Megahalems but the 3RSystem Iceage 120 Boss II: http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2461

Since that heatsink is almost impossible to find, the #2 best HSF for AM2/AM2+/AM3 according to Frostytech appears to be the Zalman CNPS10X Extreme (no review available, which is a bit odd, but at least you can buy the thing).

I don't consider them to be the absolute authority on such things, but it's still interesting to note that the Megahalems wasn't considered to be "the best" for AM3. It's also interesting to see the Thermalright Ultra 120 so high on their list, but not the Ultra 120 eXtreme . . .

There is no megahalem cooler on that review that I can find. Also, they don't give enough specs on what platform they were cooling. Bad review IMO.


But them if you look at their top 5, the megahalem is number one by temperature !!!

 

[MrK6]

There is no megahalem cooler on that review that I can find. Also, they don't give enough specs on what platform they were cooling. Bad review IMO.

But them if you look at their top 5, the megahalem is number one by temperature !!!

Re-read how they test their coolers. Frostytech has the best testing methodologies for heatsinks bar none.

 

[brandonwh64]

Here mine on my PII 965 C3 @ 3.9ghz

 

[lopri]

HT is definitely not a gimmick. And it better not be considering its extra power consumption.

http://it.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=3536

 

[21stHermit]

HT is definitely not a gimmick. And it better not be considering its extra power consumption.

http://it.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=3536

Are you referring to this graphic? Seems noticeable, but not more than a 5% increment.