I haven't looked into it yet but I know sometimes in the US thinner oil is spec'd to increase fuel economy. I wouldn't doubt that in other markets 5W-20 is the factory fill.I also wonder if the problem can be caused by people using the wrong type of oil. Since the FB2.5 uses 0W-20, which is expensive and not all that common yet.
It'd be nice if they gave an ending VIN number, as I assume they have implemented the fix at the factory, probably before the TSB was actually released. It says you can claim it under the powertrain warranty so you have 60k miles to report the issue, which seems fair.
I also wonder if the problem can be caused by people using the wrong type of oil. Since the FB2.5 uses 0W-20, which is expensive and not all that common yet.
Interesting note published by Consumer Reports last year.Lately it seems an undue number of test cars at our track have been going through motor oil. We can remember years when we barely had to add oil to any test car between service visits. Something has changed...
Our latest car drinking oil is our $105,000 2012 Porsche Panamera, which is consuming a quart of 0W-40 motor oil about every 2,000 miles. With a 10,000 mile oil change interval, that's five quarts of synthetic oil (at about $8 per) in between oil changes... we think somebody who bought a $100,000 car probably expects better.
.... This writer bought the Consumer Reports 2008 Volkswagen Eos test car and kept it for five years. The whole time, it used a quart of equally expensive 0W-20 motor oil every 1,200 miles ... After several trips back to the local Volkswagen dealer to document the problem, I was told that the VW spec for this engine was, exactly a quart every 1,200 miles. Since I couldn't prove it was using more than that, VW wouldn't help. That car also specified a 10,000 mile oil-change interval, for regular maintenance. By then, all the oil in the sump had been replaced twice...
This problem has plagued other cars, too. In 2006, Mercedes replaced the V6 engine in one of our test cars under warranty after we finished testing them, because of excessive consumption of 0W-40 oil...
Yeah, I know the test is slower, but it has a decent amount of accelerations in it. So driving on cruise for long periods of time should yield better than EPA estimated. I've never had an SUV before, so maybe I am just not used to how big of an impact the aerodynamics is verses a sedan. Although my coworker who got a '14 legacy claims he gets basically the same mileage as me.
I do agree it gets good mileage for a SUV, but I was expecting more. I do generally beat the in city mileage, but most of my miles on it are highway.
West of the Mississippi pretty much every state is 70 or 75 on the interstates. In Texas I've driven on busy, two-lane highways that had a speed limit of 80 .
I've never understood the bash on Subaru interiors. Yeah my '99 legacy had a pretty bare interior, but when we got our 2006 Legacy it had the nicest interior of any car in the price range, IMHO. I also think the Forester has a very nice interior compared to most of its competition. Plus sunroofs are basically standard on Subaru were they are a big upgrade on a Ford, if you can even find one.
The interior in my '99 with 165k was still in great shape when I sold it 7 months ago. My 2006's is still perfect, except for a couple small spots my dog has scratched. It has held up much better than my mom's '07 Edge.
I've never understood the bash on Subaru interiors. Yeah my '99 legacy had a pretty bare interior, but when we got our 2006 Legacy it had the nicest interior of any car in the price range, IMHO. I also think the Forester has a very nice interior compared to most of its competition. Plus sunroofs are basically standard on Subaru were they are a big upgrade on a Ford, if you can even find one.
The interior in my '99 with 165k was still in great shape when I sold it 7 months ago. My 2006's is still perfect, except for a couple small spots my dog has scratched. It has held up much better than my mom's '07 Edge.
Incoming Nissan/Infiniti lawsuit? The VQ motors always went through oil.
Well having just cross shopped a Imprezza here is my problem with your comment.
First all, all BIG 3 offer a sunroof on pretty much every model, from the Fiesta/Spark/Dart all the way through the top of the line models. No sunroof is standard, they cost money, it's built into the cost of buying it. On top of that, every model with it has a sunroof package, which is typically 1500$, far more than all the other manufacturers charge for a moonroof (700-900$ being standard).
Remote start is a huge pet peeve of mine, not available on the Imprezza. My Fiesta has factory remote start. This should be an option on EVERY SINGLE VEHICLE, if not standard equipment. There's no reason with a computerized drive train that computerized remote start shouldn't be available.
Heated seats are a struggle to get.
Infotainment smart phone connected system should be standard on the most basic model. One model up and it and every other model should have a minimum of 7" if not larger touchscreen infotainment systems that can control all aspects of the vehicle.
Leather should be an available option on the lowest model.
Speakers lack any decent sound compared to most low end models I've been in.
Interior lighting (footwell, door panels ect) should be standard in all models.
Auto-climate control should be standard or a separate under 300$ option to have.
I could go on, but these are some of the first things. My boss bleeds for subaru, and even he is disappointed by their interiors when he sits in other people's cars.
For every anecdotal piece of evidence, there is an equal and opposite piece. I used my 2004 Ford Expedition for WORK, i towed with it, through sports equipment in it, hauled lumber and cement in it. Other than a worn drivers seat from 150K miles, it was in perfect condition, barely looked worn. Got pics to prove it. A person is either a slob with their car, or they aren't.
Every ~10mph after 40mph almost doubles wind resistance IIRC. Wind resistance is multiplicative, not additive. Going 75 is a lot harder than 55 on your car.
Hey, you sure know a lot. Where did you get your engineering degree from? Wow, with how many years of experience in ICE design? Crazy.Well having just cross shopped a Imprezza here is my problem with your comment.
First all, all BIG 3 offer a sunroof on pretty much every model, from the Fiesta/Spark/Dart all the way through the top of the line models. No sunroof is standard, they cost money, it's built into the cost of buying it. On top of that, every model with it has a sunroof package, which is typically 1500$, far more than all the other manufacturers charge for a moonroof (700-900$ being standard).
Remote start is a huge pet peeve of mine, not available on the Imprezza. My Fiesta has factory remote start. This should be an option on EVERY SINGLE VEHICLE, if not standard equipment. There's no reason with a computerized drive train that computerized remote start shouldn't be available.
Heated seats are a struggle to get.
Infotainment smart phone connected system should be standard on the most basic model. One model up and it and every other model should have a minimum of 7" if not larger touchscreen infotainment systems that can control all aspects of the vehicle.
Leather should be an available option on the lowest model.
Speakers lack any decent sound compared to most low end models I've been in.
Interior lighting (footwell, door panels ect) should be standard in all models.
Auto-climate control should be standard or a separate under 300$ option to have.
I could go on, but these are some of the first things. My boss bleeds for subaru, and even he is disappointed by their interiors when he sits in other people's cars.
For every anecdotal piece of evidence, there is an equal and opposite piece. I used my 2004 Ford Expedition for WORK, i towed with it, through sports equipment in it, hauled lumber and cement in it. Other than a worn drivers seat from 150K miles, it was in perfect condition, barely looked worn. Got pics to prove it. A person is either a slob with their car, or they aren't.
That rate of burning oil will age the catalytic converters prematurely, and engines since the late 1990s have been designed to burn no more than a quart per 5000-7500 miles.
My 2014 Forester hasn't burn any oil after several thousands miles. IF you go to any Subaru forums, the oil consumption issue was mostly with older models, owners of newer models have less oil related problem reported. This kind of problem happens to all auto makers, not just Subaru. =/
Burning oil is not normal. If it does, then the car is a POS.
Hey, you sure know a lot. Where did you get your engineering degree from? Wow, with how many years of experience in ICE design? Crazy.
Or maybe you're an expert in product management, you know figuring out things like design, features, and pricing for a global customer base? Because surely no one will buy a car that doesn't have remote start, thus a manufacturer should pay more to include one and still keep their target price the same. Since you know that when pricing a product, you need to hit a target price point to be competitive and thus every feature you add costs your company money, right?
Man, I wish I was as smart as you keyboard warriors. :$
1 quart per 1k miles is bonkers. Recently hit 10k miles and one year ownership on my '13 Civic. Has consumed zero oil.