I don't see where they haven't? Ford Ecoboost had an oil and CAC issue. Both were blasted until Ford recalled and replaced the CAC's.
Ford was blasted for the 6speed dual clutch. Ford has now extended warranties to 100K miles on the transmission and associated power train components. If there was an out of warranty repair done on the transmission before this went into affect, Ford has issued checks for the full repair bill of the car.
GM ignition (though that took way too long)
Toyota has an oil burn issue and that's moving towards class action status now.
I don't really follow the BMW's and Porche's, but they also tend to not be your basic daily driver consumer car with higher than average performance metrics. I wouldn't stand for it, but in the end this whole argument is based around how badly consumers are willing to stand and get shafted.
jlee, would you really be satisfied putting a quart of oil in a new vehicle with every other fuel fill?
I thought we were talking oil consumption, not transmission problems?
This is an argument regarding companies getting away with substandard building.
I wouldn't be satisfied putting a quart of oil in any vehicle with every other fuel fill (I do better than that with the engine I built myself - running 20+psi of boost). My point is this is not exclusive to Subaru so the argument of "Well nobody else has this problem!" doesn't hold much weight with me.
The problem is "in real world". Other than Toyota, how many other manufacturers are currently dealing with cars burning almost as much oil as they do in ratio to tanks of fuel?
Ford says 1 quart per 1000 miles. GM has models with 1 quart every 2000 miles being listed as acceptable. IIRC Toyota also says 1 quart per 1000 miles. BMW? 1 quart, 750 miles.. Oh hey, Porsche too!
oh noes, Subaru's trying to justify it and no other manufacturers have this issue!!!1111
The local ford dealership says it's normal to lose a quart of oil in 10k miles which is the frequency between oil changes, not 1k miles. I just called down to Laird Noller referencing my vehicle, a 2013 explorer sport. Online I've seen ford saying every 1-1.5k.
toyota calls for 1 qt every 1200 miles according to what I found online. I found online where GM for their vehicles says 1 qt every 2k miles.
That's a worst case scenario some people might experience. Every car manufacturer is going to say that to cover their ass in case a vehicle here and there has consumption issues. A large number of subaru owners are experiencing worse than that. Big difference.
Wow I guess I should go to 2000 as well to find examples of oil burners. Maybe we can bring up old volvo diesels as well.
Still looking for your evidence of mass oil burning under a model of engine. The guys in those threads should have been taken care of, that's part of raising sand as well. This is still now Subaru laughing off multiple people levels of issues.
I responded to people claiming Subaru is out of line with other manufacturers with claims to "normal" oil consumption. I'm not out to prove anything other than that, and in fact said that I wouldn't find that level of oil consumption acceptable. If you want to continue finding reasons to argue, please go on.
My GF had a 2013 Subaru Legacy with the 2.5L 4 until very recently. She bought the car new in December of 2012. It had about 26K miles on it when traded on a Mazda CX-5 2 weeks ago.
The car did not use significant oil between changes until recently. At about 22K the oil light came on and it was a quart low. I admit that up to this point I was remiss on checking oil, but I'm used to not having to do it in modern engines. I began to check it more regularly then and it needed another quart at 24k. Oil change at 25K and needed a quart at 26K. Definitely getting worse.
She has a very low tolerance for any kind of car trouble and traded it within a couple of days of adding that last quart.
From the second link:
"I had to replace the fuel pump in my truck back in Sept, its been using up to 2 qrts of oil every 500 miles ever since. This is under normal driving conditons, no load. No leaks and this trk never used a drop of oil prior to fuel pump being changed. I was told I need a new engine. This trk only has 159,000 mile on it and has been very well taken care of. Any one have ideas?"
I have little faith in people having a clue when they post stuff like this like there is some magical correlation between changing a fuel pump and burning oil.
You're also searching truck forums where people abuse their vehicles and tow heavy loads which put greater strains on vehicles. I doubt many people are towing anything substantial with passenger cars.
Hey at that rate just change the filter every few months
You know, all we really need to do is hit them in the "PZEV" certification area.
We get 100 of the worst burners to show up. Have them tested.... and have the certification removed.
Then we just go after them, in a "Good Morning America" fashion until the whole "I bought this car to be environmentally friendly....."
Are you sure it's burning? My friend worked at a Porsche shop for a while (years ago). Apparently with the air cooled engines they only guaranteed no drips...seeping out of the gaskets was acceptable/common.
Was thinking the same thing!!
How 'environmentally friendly' can you be burning that much oil? LOL
They're just padding the gas mileage by burning a little oil in the mix