Class is cheating: Turn them in?

[TheCorm]

Originally posted by: dquan97
turn them in anonymously

Yeah but wheres the poll.

 

[ViviTheMage]

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs

Originally posted by: dquan97
turn them in anonymously

 

[Ness]

Originally posted by: CanisEstInVia
it doesn't hurt you any that theyre cheating is it?

Technically, it could effect him. What if she finds out they are doing this and makes everyone re-take the test, but with MUCH MUCH harder questions? What if she doesn't find out, these kids don't learn a thing, and the teach has to re-teach an entire chapter? He gets put behind because of it. This one is farfetched, but what if they get a job where they need calc, don't know it because of this, then he goes a job in the same place, but they pass over him because they see he came from the same school as the kids who don't know calc?

My point is, everything can affect anything. In this case the likely results won't be too bad. I would mention to the teacher ahead of time that they were studying from an old copy of the test. If she says she'll change it, great! If not, demand a copy of the test and tell her that it's unfair that they are getting an advantage that you aren't. It's not cool that she is knowingly and willingly giving certain students an advantage over others, and that is not acceptable. I'm dead serious when I say that. Take it to the principal if you have to. School is about learning, not about what grades you get. If one student has a way of learning that another doesn't there is a problem because it means that student is more likely to succeed, and that is unfair.

 

[Ness]

Originally posted by: CanisEstInVia
it doesn't hurt you any that theyre cheating is it?

Technically, it could effect him. What if she finds out they are doing this and makes everyone re-take the test, but with MUCH MUCH harder questions? What if she doesn't find out, these kids don't learn a thing, and the teach has to re-teach an entire chapter? He gets put behind because of it. This one is farfetched, but what if they get a job where they need calc, don't know it because of this, then he goes a job in the same place, but they pass over him because they see he came from the same school as the kids who don't know calc?

My point is, everything can affect anything. In this case the likely results won't be too bad. I would mention to the teacher ahead of time that they were studying from an old copy of the test. If she says she'll change it, great! If not, demand a copy of the test and tell her that it's unfair that they are getting an advantage that you aren't. It's not cool that she is knowingly and willingly giving certain students an advantage over others, and that is not acceptable. I'm dead serious when I say that. Take it to the principal if you have to. School is about learning, not about what grades you get. If one student has a way of learning that another doesn't there is a problem because it means that student is more likely to succeed, and that is unfair.

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

hell yeah turn em in. Cheaters hurt other students, and yet so many students look the other way.

 

[StageLeft]

If they didn't let me show it to them I would turn them in. Then they'd be pwned.

 

[Dedpuhl]

Originally posted by: AbsolutDealage
Seriously though, how can so many people honestly think this is not cheating???

If you know for a fact that the test is going to be verbatim, that is cheating. If you don't think so, then you really have your head up your a$$.

You could walk in that room not knowing a damn thing about calc, sit down, and finish a ~3 hour exam in 10 minutes and get 100%. That is not an "advantage", it is cheating... plain and simple.

They don't know for a FACT that the test will be the same. They THINK it will stay the same because the teacher hasn't changed the test in years. The only way that they would be cheating is if they:

1. Stole the test from the teacher that will be used
2. Use notes or cheating aids during the test

Old tests can serve as study guides. I asked the Dean of Engineering at my university if he considered it cheating. He said no.

If people only study the tests, then they are morons....not cheaters....

 

[OulOat]

Originally posted by: Dedpuhl

Originally posted by: AbsolutDealage
Seriously though, how can so many people honestly think this is not cheating???

If you know for a fact that the test is going to be verbatim, that is cheating. If you don't think so, then you really have your head up your a$$.

You could walk in that room not knowing a damn thing about calc, sit down, and finish a ~3 hour exam in 10 minutes and get 100%. That is not an "advantage", it is cheating... plain and simple.

They don't know for a FACT that the test will be the same. They THINK it will stay the same because the teacher hasn't changed the test in years. The only way that they would be cheating is if they:

1. Stole the test from the teacher that will be used
2. Use notes or cheating aids during the test

Old tests can serve as study guides. I asked the Dean of Engineering at my university if he considered it cheating. He said no.

If people only study the tests, then they are morons....not cheaters....

I'm sure if you asked him if it was okay for only certain people to have the old tests to "study" with, his answer would have been different.

 

[AbsolutDealage]

I asked the Dean of Engineering at my university if he considered it cheating. He said no.

Then it won't be a problem when he goes and tells the prof the situation.

The fact is that these guys know that that prof doesn't change the test... they could just memorize the answers. Their intent is what makes it cheating.

 

[MegaloManiaK]

Originally posted by: OulOat

Originally posted by: Dedpuhl

Originally posted by: AbsolutDealage

Old tests can serve as study guides. I asked the Dean of Engineering at my university if he considered it cheating. He said no.

I'm sure if you asked him if it was okay for only certain people to have the old tests to "study" with, his answer would have been different.

Well if you say "Is keeping old tests and studying them before a test cheating" anyone would say no.

Now go back and say "This guys sister gave him a copy of the test becuase the teacher doesn't change anything about the test so they can study the exact problems and answers that are going to be on the test. Is that cheating?" Im sure he'd say its not cheating at all right?:brokenheart:

If its not cheating then turning them in would do nothing, so whats the harm. Except we all know that this is cheating, and you are just trying to justify it for him because you would study the tests too. This is exactly the action expected from someone who thinks school is only about grades.

 

[FFactory0x]

What with you people and turning people in. Who cares what others do. Just mind you own buisness and care less. If people find out you like telling on people at whatever age you are, there not gonna like you much and you could have your self some uneeded problems

 

[Dedpuhl]

Originally posted by: OulOat

Originally posted by: Dedpuhl

Originally posted by: AbsolutDealage
Seriously though, how can so many people honestly think this is not cheating???

If you know for a fact that the test is going to be verbatim, that is cheating. If you don't think so, then you really have your head up your a$$.

You could walk in that room not knowing a damn thing about calc, sit down, and finish a ~3 hour exam in 10 minutes and get 100%. That is not an "advantage", it is cheating... plain and simple.

They don't know for a FACT that the test will be the same. They THINK it will stay the same because the teacher hasn't changed the test in years. The only way that they would be cheating is if they:

1. Stole the test from the teacher that will be used
2. Use notes or cheating aids during the test

Old tests can serve as study guides. I asked the Dean of Engineering at my university if he considered it cheating. He said no.

If people only study the tests, then they are morons....not cheaters....

I'm sure if you asked him if it was okay for only certain people to have the old tests to "study" with, his answer would have been different.

Well, there were times when I knew certain people had old tests, and I didn't. Did I cry like a little bitch? No. Did I go cry to the Dean/professor that this was unfair? No. What did I do? I studied for the freakin' test like normal. If I did poorly, I didn't cry foul.

When I had old tests, I shared.

 

[AnMig]

In medical school the fraternities used to use these old exams as incentives to join, there would be huge volumes of questions you could look into
and once imore often than not a teacher will repeat a question. I mean you can only ask a question in a different way a couple of times.

Is this cheating? its a fine line. Its not like they stole the exam. The member are usually instructed to remember a certain number for a particular test for future members.

Isnt this similar as getting tip on what to study before a exam?

 

[AbsolutDealage]

Isnt this similar as getting tip on what to study before a exam?

Not if the test is verbatim.

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

When a class is graded on a curve then someone elses unfair advantage equals another's disadvantage. Your adage of leaving people alone is violate broken because the cheater behavior IS affecting other people. Even when the grade isn't curved, people who systematically have access to old tests have a comparitve advantage to their cohorts who don't.

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

dp

 

[Rias]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: J0hnny
That's not even remotely cheating if a teacher uses the same exam from last year or whenever.

You're just jealous that they have an advantage and you don't. But they are d1cks for not sharing it.

if it's not cheating than there is no problem with him telling the professor right?

My thought exactly

 

[radioouman]

turn them in

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Aimster
The guy's sister took the class 2 years earlier and she uses the same test.

That is proof enough, isn't it?

Sorry, that's not cheating then...... In fact, at some colleges, they archive professors old tests in the libraries for students to use as study references...

 

[dtmbb92]

if you were cheating...would you want someone to turn you in???

 

[toekramp]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: Aimster
The guy's sister took the class 2 years earlier and she uses the same test.

That is proof enough, isn't it?

Sorry, that's not cheating then...... In fact, at some colleges, they archive professors old tests in the libraries for students to use as study references...

well it just depends if the school allows student to look @ koofers, either way, wth would you turn them in?

 

[dtmbb92]

Originally posted by: SammyBoy



Seriously leave the fvcking kids alone. It's their education, i hope you get your ass kicked hard if you turn them in

 

[DDCSpeed]

um......turn them in or tell the teacher to change the test. its ur grade on the line.

 

[neilm]

Originally posted by: DDCSpeed
um......turn them in or tell the teacher to change the test. its ur grade on the line.

Ehm, how is it his grade on the line?

 

[blahblah99]

They are cheating, and it'll come back and bite them in the ass later in life.

So if they were to let you in on the tests, would you do it?

I don't know who's more horrible, the people cheating on the test, or the person threatening to turn them in because he couldn't get in on the cheating.