Clawhammer 3400+ At 2.6GHz?

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VR-ZONE posted this:


INQ Reports :
Over at Assembly 2002, there are a total of 4600 interested parties to discuss some future trends in technology. The speaker is AMD Field Application Engineer, Joakim Stenberg and when asked about the clock frequency Hammer might appear at, he replied saying that Hammer would appear sporting a PR rating of 3400+. Asked what actual frequency that meant, Stenberg replied, "er, over 2GHz." Hammer would have to be running at around 2.6GHz to deliver an AMD PR rating number of 3400+.


I dont think the hammer can get to 2.6Ghz at launch, and with a Q1-2003 rumored 1.8GHz/2.0GHz Lauch, thats only 2400+/2700+ PR. Thats looking grim with the P4 will be at 3.2GHz w/TH enabled and Granite Bay/SIS650 both with duel channel DDR. I hope this isnt true, cuz i dont think amd can pull off 2.6GHz before Q2-2003.

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well its gonna be above 2ghz for sure, but just how much over we won't know for a while. And who knows, maybe they got something up their sleeve, after all Hammer is supposed to be the chip that makes or breaks AMD.
 

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The 2.6GHz is speculation on INQ's part, AMD didn't say that. I imagine it that a 3400+ Clawhammer would run right around 2GHz.
 

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Originally posted by: CrazySaint
The 2.6GHz is speculation on INQ's part, AMD didn't say that. I imagine it that a 3400+ Clawhammer would run right around 2GHz.

Agreed, but I dont think with just ondie mem controller will do what they are saying. Being 25% faster perclock I guess:

1.6GHz Hammer = 2600+
1.8GHz Hammer = 2900+
2.0GHz Hammer = 3200+
2.2Ghz Hammer = 3500+

EDIT : Forgot Hammer has SOI, so my PR looks right above

Now Im using 25% of the Tbred and we all know that the 2200+ is not equal to a 2.26 w/ PC-1066, and with duel channel DDR coming around the corner, @ cas2.5 it performs on par with PC-1066. With cas2, it will be amazing to see the PR being more and more a joke. I cant prove it yet, but just watch to see the 533Mhz fsb and DC ddr push the P4 to its peak

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i don't know, those previews that anand did didn't look that good for the DC chipset. but it will be intersting to see what it does......

i'm an amd user and i also think that the PR system is buLL$h!t


 

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i guess we will have to wait and see...there are a lot of rumor in the tech world nowadays
 

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Originally posted by: dannybin1742
i don't know, those previews that anand did didn't look that good for the DC chipset. but it will be intersting to see what it does......

i'm an amd user and i also think that the PR system is buLL$h!t

Hardocp did a preview on the granite bay chipset and it did amazing. Only running at cas2.5 it wooped up on PC-1066 and trailed it in a few things. Running on beta board and alpha drivers is amazing.

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SSXeon5, don't get anxious.... remember that OUR time will be due soon.....
 

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Originally posted by: alexruiz
SSXeon5, don't get anxious.... remember that OUR time will be due soon.....

ahha, O i know and im out for blood .... btw when is the due date?

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Originally posted by: dannybin1742
i don't know, those previews that anand did didn't look that good for the DC chipset. but it will be intersting to see what it does......

i'm an amd user and i also think that the PR system is buLL$h!t


Yeah well what would you rather they do, mark the chips as they are an not sell to anyone but enthusisasts? Cause I can tell you right now the average consumer would buy a 1.5Ghz p4 over a 1.4Ghz Athlon. But some would buy the 1600+ over the 1.5Ghz p4. Its marketing plain and simple. Besides we all know what the actual speeds of the chips are by now anyways.
 

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Originally posted by: BuddyAtBzboyz
Originally posted by: dannybin1742
i don't know, those previews that anand did didn't look that good for the DC chipset. but it will be intersting to see what it does......

i'm an amd user and i also think that the PR system is buLL$h!t


Yeah well what would you rather they do, mark the chips as they are an not sell to anyone but enthusisasts? Cause I can tell you right now the average consumer would buy a 1.5Ghz p4 over a 1.4Ghz Athlon. But some would buy the 1600+ over the 1.5Ghz p4. Its marketing plain and simple. Besides we all know what the actual speeds of the chips are by now anyways.

Im not going to start anything, but the PR is such crap. In compusa they had the 2000+ called a 2000Mhz Athlon XP, if they tricked compusa and alot of kids on this fourm thats a trick to get people to buy there chips. I mean in some SSE2 apps the p4 1.6Ghz kills a 2200+ 1.8GHz Athlon XP, amd shouldnt base everything off benchies, even spec the p4s crush the XPs in:

SPEC CPU2000

Pentium 4 2.53GHz i850E 256MB PC-800--------------------------BASE:893 PEAK: 922
Athlon XP 2200+ 1.8GHz Epox 8KHA+ 512MB PC2100 cas2---BASE:738 PEAK: 765


SPEC CFP2000

Pentium 4 2.53GHz i850E 256MB PC-800--------------------------BASE:878 PEAK: 901
Athlon XP 2200+ 1.8GHz Epox 8KHA+ 512MB PC2100 cas2---BASE:624 PEAK: 671



Seeing that the P4 is handicaped with RDRAM none the less PC-800 RDRAM, Im guessing the 2.53Ghz will get around 1000 peak with 512MB DC DDR easy. I only look as spec anymore because it is the industry standard And its floating point is amazingly good. That right there kills the whole PR idea

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Your argument is so biased its not even funny. People know your never going to make a fair comment or an unbiased argument and i'm sure a lot of people don't even bother reading your posts. In some situations, an XP1800 will easily whoop the pants off a 2.4ghz P4, so start quoting rediculous benchmarks that very rarely happen. Look at the raw data, for the price at stock speeds, AMD is a better option. For a 1.8a's price you can buy a XP2100, which easily beat it in almost all situations. We all know AMD's XP rating are quite modest too, and that a XP1800 generally is up to the performance standard of a 2ghz P4.

Those benchmarks you quoted are just plain stupid. Your comparing a 2.53 P4 which is about $500 from a half decent retailer, whereas the XP2200+ is only about $210. RDRAM is far more expensive than PC2100 cas 2 RAM anyday. Try putting 256mb of decent PC3000 RAM in the XP instead of PC2100 which doesn't even use the 333mhz DDR capability a lot of boards have. Even the motherboard on the intel system is more expensive. How can you even compare two systems when one costs a significant amount more than the other?

The benchmarks are completely uneven. The childish way that the XP system is given an extra 256mb of RAM when it isn't going to be used just tops it off. Extra RAM only helps performance when its needed, and I doubt those benchmarks use 512mb of RAM. So the extra 256mb of RAM on the XP system is just there to make the XP look worse to people who won't realise the extra RAM doesn't do much until it is really needed.

If your too stupid to understand the idea that a 2.6ghz Hammer will be as fast as a P4 equivalent 3.4ghz then what are you even doing on the boards. I thought we have up comparing direct clock speeds as a measurement of speed months ago because the chips are different.

Its like rating engines only on their cylinder size. Some 3 litre V6 engines can outstrip 6 litre V8's any day of the week. Its not even worth the time comparing two things that have different prices. And we still don't know much about the Hammer's performance, only its planned features.

Don't even bother quoting stupid benchmarks that are biased even in their setups for christ's sake.

Whats the point?

Its like comparing a two cars and then saying how much better the one is that costs twice as much.

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Originally posted by: SaintGeorge
Your argument is so biased its not even funny. People know your never going to make a fair comment or an unbiased argument and i'm sure a lot of people don't even bother reading your posts. In some situations, an XP1800 will easily whoop the pants off a 2.4ghz P4, so start quoting rediculous benchmarks that very rarely happen. Look at the raw data, for the price at stock speeds, AMD is a better option. For a 1.8a's price you can buy a XP2100, which easily beat it in almost all situations. We all know AMD's XP rating are quite modest too, and that a XP1800 generally is up to the performance standard of a 2ghz P4.

Those benchmarks you quoted are just plain stupid. Your comparing a 2.53 P4 which is about $500 from a half decent retailer, whereas the XP2200+ is only about $210. RDRAM is far more expensive than PC2100 cas 2 RAM anyday. Try putting 256mb of decent PC3000 RAM in the XP instead of PC2100 which doesn't even use the 333mhz DDR capability a lot of boards have. Even the motherboard on the intel system is more expensive. How can you even compare two systems when one costs a significant amount more than the other?

The benchmarks are completely uneven. The childish way that the XP system is given an extra 256mb of RAM when it isn't going to be used just tops it off. Extra RAM only helps performance when its needed, and I doubt those benchmarks use 512mb of RAM. So the extra 256mb of RAM on the XP system is just there to make the XP look worse to people who won't realise the extra RAM doesn't do much until it is really needed.

If your too stupid to understand the idea that a 2.6ghz Hammer will be as fast as a P4 equivalent 3.4ghz then what are you even doing on the boards. I thought we have up comparing direct clock speeds as a measurement of speed months ago because the chips are different.

Its like rating engines only on their cylinder size. Some 3 litre V6 engines can outstrip 6 litre V8's any day of the week. Its not even worth the time comparing two things that have different prices. And we still don't know much about the Hammer's performance, only its planned features.

Don't even bother quoting stupid benchmarks that are biased even in their setups for christ's sake.

Whats the point?

Its like comparing a two cars and then saying how much better the one is that costs twice as much.

Mark

Hey leme ask you what is the Intel Flagship right now? 2.53Ghz. What is Amds Flagship processor? 1.8GHz. Ok now your flaming me about there prices, well wait till aug 25th and you will be shutting your mouth . "Quoting stupid benchmarks" ... haha .... that is one of the most unintelligent things I have heard all year . And the benchmarks are not "uneven", they are submitted by the companies who make them, so are you saying your company amd is wrong at submitting this computer?

My point was that how inaccuarate the PR system is, when SPEC shows the pentium 4 doing exceptionally well. Yes RDRAM is alot, but they also could have had a i845G with 256MB PC-2700 @ cas2 and would have beat that p4 w/PC-800 score even more. So whats YOUR point, I post my OPINION about amd's PR raiting and you come in and act all high and mighty and flame me for what?

And btw If you think a 3.0L V-6 can beat a 6.0L V-8, you are very mistaken my boy.

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And btw If you think a 3.0L V-6 can beat a 6.0L V-8, you are very mistaken my boy.

There are plenty of examples of 3 litre engine's outclassing 6 litre's, many in fact.

Just look at some of the engines that come from Porch, Ferrari, Mcalren and Lambourghini's workshops. Incredible performance from relatively small cylinders on some of their cars. And the point was to demonstrate how clock speed in mhz isn't a good measure of performance anymore between two different processors, just like a litre of Ferrari engine space five times as fast as some big crappy low tech V8 that relies on size instead of technology and build quality for power.

I distain from your use of the term "boy" when referring to me after speaking of the above argument. You clearly have very little knowledge or car mechanics if you think engine size the main measure of perofrmance in a cars engine, there are so many other factors that determine an engines performance it'd take a day to write them all out. You speak is if all engines with the same cc's and number of cylinders are exactly the same. Really think a 3 litre engine on a ford will give the same performance as a 3 litre engine on a Porche 911 Turbo's? I realise the cost of each is different but thats irrelevant to my statement that some 3L engines can outperform some 6L engines.
And yes there are several models of Porches 911 Turbo with 3 litre engines in them.

So many thing's can increase a car peformance rather than just its engine size, composite valve springs, twin or quad valves on each cylinder, turbos especially and, high performance air filters, high performance exhaust and extraction systems, fuel injection mechanicsm's and distributed cylinder carborettors and even cylinder individual carborettors are to name but a few.

I never said the fastest 3.0 litre V6 is faster than the fastest 6.0 litre V8. Just that some 3 litre engines can be faster than some 6 litre V8's which is perfectly true.

I say again this is to demonstrate how comparing of direct clock speeds in mhz isn't a fair comparison between P4's and XP's. Everyone knows that Athlons XP processors are faster at the same clock speeds than P4's mhz for mhz.

Do you really belive that the 2.53ghz will come down to $210 on 25th August, losing over half its value? I don't think so. 2.26's are set to go to around about the $200 mark so your living in fantasy land there. And the XP is faster than the 2.26 is most situations:

http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1635&p=10

AMD simply wouldn't be allowed to quote their PR speeds (XP3400+ or whatever) higher than they were. They'd be sued in five minutes, thats why they are so modest with their current XP ratings so there no threat of legal action about them "misleading" people.

AMD XP rating was a clever idea, because they needed something to quickly show the average uninformed joe that their XP2000 processor is as fast as a 2ghz. It'd take a while to tell someone that knows nothing of computers and cpu's which the average buyer doesn't, that AMD's XP processor is the same speed even though its clock slower than equivalent P4's.

I'm sure someone who knows a little a bout cars will back me up on the engine side of thing's, any car mechanics here?

AMD will never be allowed to quote its processors are being faster than they are, so they wouldn't even think about it. Consumer association's would be onto them instantly.

And that concludes my rant.

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Originally posted by: SaintGeorge
And btw If you think a 3.0L V-6 can beat a 6.0L V-8, you are very mistaken my boy.

There are plenty of examples of 3 litre engine's outclassing 6 litre's, many in fact.

Just look at some of the engines that come from Porch, Ferrari, Mcalren and Lambourghini's workshops. Incredible performance from relatively small cylinders on some of their cars. And the point was to demonstrate how clock speed in mhz isn't a good measure of performance anymore between two different processors, just like a litre of Ferrari engine space five times as fast as some big crappy low tech V8 that relies on size instead of technology and build quality for power.

I distain from your use of the term "boy" when referring to me after speaking of the above argument. You clearly have very little knowledge or car mechanics if you think engine size the main measure of perofrmance in a cars engine, there are so many other factors that determine an engines performance it'd take a day to write them all out. You speak is if all engines with the same cc's and number of cylinders are exactly the same. Really think a 3 litre engine on a ford will give the same performance as a 3 litre engine on a Porche 911 Turbo's? I realise the cost of each is different but thats irrelevant to my statement that some 3L engines can outperform some 6L engines.
And yes there are several models of Porches 911 Turbo with 3 litre engines in them.

So many thing's can increase a car peformance rather than just its engine size, composite valve springs, twin or quad valves on each cylinder, turbos especially and, high performance air filters, high performance exhaust and extraction systems, fuel injection mechanicsm's and distributed cylinder carborettors and even cylinder individual carborettors are to name but a few.

I never said the fastest 3.0 litre V6 is faster than the fastest 6.0 litre V8. Just that some 3 litre engines can be faster than some 6 litre V8's which is perfectly true.

I say again this is to demonstrate how comparing of direct clock speeds in mhz isn't a fair comparison between P4's and XP's. Everyone knows that Athlons XP processors are faster at the same clock speeds than P4's mhz for mhz.

Do you really belive that the 2.53ghz will come down to $210 on 25th August, losing over half its value? I don't think so. 2.26's are set to go to around about the $200 mark so your living in fantasy land there. And the XP is faster than the 2.26 is most situations:

http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1635&p=10

AMD simply wouldn't be allowed to quote their PR speeds (XP3400+ or whatever) higher than they were. They'd be sued in five minutes, thats why they are so modest with their current XP ratings so there no threat of legal action about them "misleading" people.

AMD XP rating was a clever idea, because they needed something to quickly show the average uninformed joe that their XP2000 processor is as fast as a 2ghz. It'd take a while to tell someone that knows nothing of computers and cpu's which the average buyer doesn't, that AMD's XP processor is the same speed even though its clock slower than equivalent P4's.

I'm sure someone who knows a little a bout cars will back me up on the engine side of thing's, any car mechanics here?

AMD will never be allowed to quote its processors are being faster than they are, so they wouldn't even think about it. Consumer association's would be onto them instantly.

And that concludes my rant.

Mark

The 2.53GHz will come down to $250-260 on aug 25th, 2.8GHz will be ~$600 2.66 ~$450 2.26 ~$190, leme get that out of the way. As for cars ... your right but I never said that a 6.0L engine automaticly kills a 3.0L. Your telling me porsche ... give me a break ... they are great Turbo I-6 but a 2002 corvette Z06 is at the same level with 10less HP and 14less lb-ft torque. And yes the covette Z06 has a 5.7L LS6 405HP 400lb-ft torque, and it beats teh 996 off the line at 0-60 3.9sec and both with the 12.4 quatermile time. And your screaming about Intels high prices yet you compare a $140k porsche .... when i can grab a Z06 for $52k and throw lingenfelters 725HP twinturbo in it for another $50k and crush the porsche

And BTW ferrari hasnt made a V-6 since 1972 lol, and lamborghini has not in god knows how long. And Fords cant make engines As for all this flaming ... you need to chill ...

So many thing's can increase a car peformance rather than just its engine size, composite valve springs, twin or quad valves on each cylinder, turbos especially and, high performance air filters, high performance exhaust and extraction systems, fuel injection mechanicsm's and distributed cylinder carborettors and even cylinder individual carborettors are to name but a few.

Nice but you left out intake manifolds, titanium retainers, air to air charge coolers, crankshafts, hydraulic roller camshafts, intake/exhaust valves, heads, headers, front/rear differentials, torque converters, superchargers, aftercoolers, Power Programers, lifters, timing chains, air intake systems, throttle body to name a few

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Originally posted by: SSXeon5
Originally posted by: alexruiz
SSXeon5, don't get anxious.... remember that OUR time will be due soon.....

ahha, O i know and im out for blood .... btw when is the due date?

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Due date is around end of the year, as we all know. As you might have heard, AMD has committed to demoing a >3000+ Hammer in October.

So apparently Hammer has broken 2GHz (but I was already fairly certain of that).
 

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wow dude, you really cool throwing car language around
did you mention that the engine in the Z06 is specially tuned for the msot power possible...? to carry through with the analogy - you're comapring an OVERCLOCKED proc to a stock one.
a camaro uses (well used to use, thank god more crap machines are off the road) a dumbed down version of the same engine in the 'vette and generates nowhere near that much power - tuning has everything to do with the power
lastly, the build quality on a porsche FAR surpasses a 'vette. 'vettes have some of the worst reliablity ratings in the sports car industry, how many porsche 911s do you see broken down?
and oh yes....there is no 140K porsche, the 911 GT2 is 180K, the turbo is 130K, and the prices proceed to under 100k from there.
EDIT: oh yeah, try comparing 0-100 and 0-150 times for a porsche and a corvette, and you'll see why people pay 180k for a gt2 instead of 50k for a vette. 0-60 is for cars that cant hack anything higher. check out the ferrari site, they list 0-60 and 0-100 times, unlike your precious chevy which lists 0-60s....
and finally, this analogy is ridiculous, you overanalyzed it to the point, that neither of you make sense.

on to my point:
your comparing a 2200+ to a 2.53......... ok lets examine that
AMD is saying that the 2200+ is as powerful as a 2.2ghz P4....yet you compare it to a 2.53 saying it should beat it?
maybe you need a lesson in masic math.........2.53 is greater than 2.2........ did you miss that lesson?
that benchmark would only be even CLOSE to valid if you used a 2.2ghz p4, try again genius boy

lastly, no one is disputing that the 533mhz bus p4's can beat an xp....but for those of us who live in the real world and are actually concerned with the price/performance ratio.........an amd xp is the way to go. the xp performs within in what? 5, 6, maybe even 7 or 8% of the 2.53 ghz IN REAL WORLD APPS (benchmarks mean nothing so stop babbling about them...i can find amd biased benchmarks to compete against yours if you really want me to) for half the price. drop the next lower xp, and you are still within 10% for even less than half the price.
lastly, intel mobos and the memory that they support is simply much more expensive than comparable amd compatible mobos and memory.

i'm an engineering student, and i garuntee you my next system will be a dual-proc clawhammer based system. i'm gonna have a field day with you once clawhammer comes out.........start comparing how clawhammer runs 64bit apps when the p4 cant run 'em at all. itanium my ass, same argument as here.....slightly better performance for twice the price. thats just ridiculous.
 

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i took the time to find some cars for ya:

Low end:
Lotus Elise (Inline 4, 109 cu in displacement) 0-60 time: 4.6, 0-100 12.6, price 33k
Ford Mustang SVT Cobra (V8, 280 cu in displacement) 0-60 time: 5.4, 0-100: 13.2, price 28.6K

High End
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (V8, 347 cu in displacement) 0-60 time: 4.2, 0-100: 10.2, price: 48.5k
Porsche 911 GT2 (Flat 6, 219 cu in displacement) 0-60 time: 4.0, 0-100: 8.5, price: 179.9K

theres the raw data.....neither of you were really correct.......

displacement DOES give you more power.....displacement used inefficiently is just extra weight
 

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Originally posted by: drogue
wow dude, you really cool throwing car language around
did you mention that the engine in the Z06 is specially tuned for the msot power possible...? to carry through with the analogy - you're comapring an OVERCLOCKED proc to a stock one.
a camaro uses (well used to use, thank god more crap machines are off the road) a dumbed down version of the same engine in the 'vette and generates nowhere near that much power - tuning has everything to do with the power
lastly, the build quality on a porsche FAR surpasses a 'vette. 'vettes have some of the worst reliablity ratings in the sports car industry, how many porsche 911s do you see broken down?
and oh yes....there is no 140K porsche, the 911 GT2 is 180K, the turbo is 130K, and the prices proceed to under 100k from there.
EDIT: oh yeah, try comparing 0-100 and 0-150 times for a porsche and a corvette, and you'll see why people pay 180k for a gt2 instead of 50k for a vette. 0-60 is for cars that cant hack anything higher. check out the ferrari site, they list 0-60 and 0-100 times, unlike your precious chevy which lists 0-60s....
and finally, this analogy is ridiculous, you overanalyzed it to the point, that neither of you make sense.

on to my point:
your comparing a 2200+ to a 2.53......... ok lets examine that
AMD is saying that the 2200+ is as powerful as a 2.2ghz P4....yet you compare it to a 2.53 saying it should beat it?
maybe you need a lesson in masic math.........2.53 is greater than 2.2........ did you miss that lesson?
that benchmark would only be even CLOSE to valid if you used a 2.2ghz p4, try again genius boy

lastly, no one is disputing that the 533mhz bus p4's can beat an xp....but for those of us who live in the real world and are actually concerned with the price/performance ratio.........an amd xp is the way to go. the xp performs within in what? 5, 6, maybe even 7 or 8% of the 2.53 ghz IN REAL WORLD APPS (benchmarks mean nothing so stop babbling about them...i can find amd biased benchmarks to compete against yours if you really want me to) for half the price. drop the next lower xp, and you are still within 10% for even less than half the price.
lastly, intel mobos and the memory that they support is simply much more expensive than comparable amd compatible mobos and memory.

i'm an engineering student, and i garuntee you my next system will be a dual-proc clawhammer based system. i'm gonna have a field day with you once clawhammer comes out.........start comparing how clawhammer runs 64bit apps when the p4 cant run 'em at all. itanium my ass, same argument as here.....slightly better performance for twice the price. thats just ridiculous.

Once again what is the flagship p4? what is the flagship Athlon? ok then ... jeez some people
And the LS1/6 is far from Maxed out, what engine block do you think they use for the C5-R .... yup the LS1.

'vettes have some of the worst reliablity ratings in the sports car industry, how many porsche 911s do you see broken down?

My friends dad has a brand new Z06 for about a year now, and it hasnt "broken down or whatever you think they do. Your mixing chevy with ford, ford can NOT make engines, look at all the F-150s that are in the shop .... hmm. And Once again your talking about price and you push in my face that the porsche is soooo much faster. And wtf are you talking about 0-100, what do you think the 1/4 mile times are for
Z06 and Porsche 996 Turbo both get 12.4secs in 1/4 mile.

O motherboards and memory are so much more expensive
....

-Pentium 4 2.26GHz Retail $234.00
-Abit BG7 i845G $120.00
-512MB Samsung PC2700 $132.00

Total: $483.00

-Athlon XP 2200+ OEM $208.00
-Coolermaster HHC-001 $26.00
-EPOX 8K3A+ Kt333 $120.00
-512MB Samsung PC2700 $132.00

Total $486.00

Hmm looks around the same to me And that 2.26 can oc to 3Ghz air easy, the XP 2.0GHz if your lucky. I have only seen 2 peeps get it to 2GHz, ive seen a few 1950Mhz

So your whole theary is shot anyways ... but like i said .... the 2.53Ghz (FLAGSHIP PROCESSOR) eats the 2200+ (FLAGSHIP PROCESSOR at this point, and man .... aug 25th .... I cant wait!

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Originally posted by: drogue
i took the time to find some cars for ya:

Low end:
Lotus Elise (Inline 4, 109 cu in displacement) 0-60 time: 4.6, 0-100 12.6, price 33k
Ford Mustang SVT Cobra (V8, 280 cu in displacement) 0-60 time: 5.4, 0-100: 13.2, price 28.6K

High End
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (V8, 347 cu in displacement) 0-60 time: 4.2, 0-100: 10.2, price: 48.5k
Porsche 911 GT2 (Flat 6, 219 cu in displacement) 0-60 time: 4.0, 0-100: 8.5, price: 179.9K

theres the raw data.....neither of you were really correct.......

displacement DOES give you more power.....displacement used inefficiently is just extra weight

Z06 gets 0-60 in 3.9secs bud.... yes the LS1 and LS6 are both 347cui .... and why are you compairing a car thats out of the Z06's league .... it has 462HP ... Z06 has 405HP ... hmm

EDIT: Fine if your going to compare those then Take a GT2 Vs Viper Venom 800 .... 0-60 2.4secs 1/4 mile 9.8secs


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Originally posted by: Boonesmi
talk about FUD

SSXeon5 you so silly

Trying to salvage my thread after being craped on by the amd zelots ... sad really...

SSXeon
 

ScottyB

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I have an AMD 1.2 ghz @1.345 ghz and you can be damn sure it beats a (stock) 1.5 ghz pentium. But alll I have to say is that unless AMD has a chip which is ~ 80% the real clock speed (none of that pr sh!t) of an Intel, I will be heading to the dark side next summer when I upgrade.
 
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