Clawhammer 3400+ At 2.6GHz?

[Rainsford]

SSXeon, since you seem to be so shocked when you get flamed, here's a hint. Try to be less of a fanboy yourself. Every time I read a post by you I already know what it's going to say. Something about why Intel is better than AMD and how Intel's future products will own AMD and how AMD is going to go out of business any second now. This tends to make people respond negativly to your posts. Even people like myself who are not fanboys sometimes feel the urge to hunt you down and beat you with a hammer (no pun intended).

I'm not saying that you're necessarily wrong, but there is very little that surprises people when you post something about how you don't think AMD will be able to keep up with Intel in the future. We already know you think that, you don't need to keep posting the same thing over and over.

As far as your actual topic, that release speed is speculation. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what's released, and more importantly (to me at least) how much it costs. Even if AMD doesn't regain the speed crown, in my price range they still are king, they just need to keep it up.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: ScottyB
I have an AMD 1.2 ghz @1.345 ghz and you can be damn sure it beats a (stock) 1.5 ghz pentium. But alll I have to say is that unless AMD has a chip which is ~ 80% the real clock speed (none of that pr sh!t) of an Intel, I will be heading to the dark side next summer when I upgrade.

Just a question, who cares about "real clockspeed"? You're saying that if a Hammer at 50% of the clockspeed of a P4 is faster than the P4 you wouldn't buy it? Why is clockspeed so important? I personally could care less what speed my chip runs at (or what the company calls it) as long as it's fast.

 

[drogue]

i hate to go back to the car thing, but you're being dumb again
the 911 GT2 is stock, the Venom 800TT is not.....
if you wanna compare tweaked....try the RUF 911 GT2 against your precious Venom

 

[Acanthus]

Ok you guys rant and rave about price/performance ratio?? haha how much do you think MS is gonna rape ya for Windows XP-64, hammer this. :disgust:

 

[SSXeon5]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
SSXeon, since you seem to be so shocked when you get flamed, here's a hint. Try to be less of a fanboy yourself. Every time I read a post by you I already know what it's going to say. Something about why Intel is better than AMD and how Intel's future products will own AMD and how AMD is going to go out of business any second now. This tends to make people respond negativly to your posts. Even people like myself who are not fanboys sometimes feel the urge to hunt you down and beat you with a hammer (no pun intended).

I'm not saying that you're necessarily wrong, but there is very little that surprises people when you post something about how you don't think AMD will be able to keep up with Intel in the future. We already know you think that, you don't need to keep posting the same thing over and over.

As far as your actual topic, that release speed is speculation. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what's released, and more importantly (to me at least) how much it costs. Even if AMD doesn't regain the speed crown, in my price range they still are king, they just need to keep it up.

#1 find 1 post that I said Intel is better then AMD
#2 find 1 post that I said that any second AMD could co out of buisness

Im sick of this sh*t, I give my fu*king opinion about the PR .... did you hear me OPINION and i get flamed by amd zelots. For the past all i have said is how and needs to keep up in price, in exactly 2 weeks the 2.53GHz will drop to about the price of the 2200+. IS that claiming "Intel is better than AMD"

I'm not saying that you're necessarily wrong, but there is very little that surprises people when you post something about how you don't think AMD will be able to keep up with Intel in the future. We already know you think that, you don't need to keep posting the same thing over and over.

I mean jeez for a second I thought as an american I have some right for freedom of speech

And is this over and over? No this is a thread about what if amds hammer isnt what it is cut out to be .... i wanted peoples opinions ... not flames and amd zelots coming in posting false information about what I say. And people posting in negative responses is because they:

#1 disagree with me and see im a "Intel fanboy"
#2 think that automaticly they are always right and I cant say any opinions

I mean this is what forums are for, not for people to bitch at others about how there opinions are wrong and how they are wrong. So stay on the subject or DONT POSTim sick of it! And thanx for the hammer threat .... your a cool guy

SSXeon

 

[holybaboon]

Hey guys i hate to say this but that butt-ugly green goblin-iconed guy SSXeon5 is right. Everybody is entittled to his or her own opinions and this is what forums are for right? Some people like Burger King and some people prefer McShit (opps). But both of them are burgers....so deep within me, i like them both. IMHO i rave AMD and think Intel sucks but well, these are opinions. So SSXeon5 is right (from the certain viewpoints)

 

[SSXeon5]

Originally posted by: holybaboon
Hey guys i hate to say this but that butt-ugly green goblin-iconed guy SSXeon5 is right. Everybody is entittled to his or her own opinions and this is what forums are for right? Some people like Burger King and some people prefer McShit (opps). But both of them are burgers....so deep within me, i like them both. IMHO i rave AMD and think Intel sucks but well, these are opinions. So SSXeon5 is right (from the certain viewpoints)

HEY HEY HEY But thanx, see i dont care that you think intel sux, see i really dont think amd sux, just that they need to get hammer out and jerry sanders needs to Jump in front of a mac truck And I LOVE MY ICON!!!

And BTW burger king rules, and mcShit does suck .... i love the new BK Smokehouse chedders ... omfg they are so money!!!

SSXeon

 

[Mk1980]

Hi people , what you can advice me to buy, now Epox mainboard with Kt333 and xp1800+ overclock it to 2100 + or higher level, or wait and buy at least kt400 with barton atlonxp later or clawhammer for best.. I have Ti4200 128Mb Geforce4 from Gainward, overclocked to 310\570,, and I wonder if clawhammer isn`t too fast for Geforce4ti ,, and graphic card will be in future not giving me a lot better results when I compare Clawhammer performance on my comp. with AthlonXP overclocked.Will games be very cpu dependent in future?, and I better wait with Athlon C 1333 and sdram 256Mb cl2 Pc133.

 

[SSXeon5]

Originally posted by: Mk1980
Hi people , what you can advice me to buy, now Epox mainboard with Kt333 and xp1800+ overclock it to 2100 + or higher level, or wait and buy at least kt400 with barton atlonxp later or clawhammer for best.. I have Ti4200 128Mb Geforce4 from Gainward, overclocked to 310\570,, and I wonder if clawhammer isn`t too fast for Geforce4ti ,, and graphic card will be in future not giving me a lot better results when I compare Clawhammer performance on my comp. with AthlonXP overclocked.Will games be very cpu dependent in future?, and I better wait with Athlon C 1333 and sdram 256Mb cl2 Pc133.

What do you have now, if you have a ti4200 and i guess the athlon 1333 your set for now. Just wait for the clawhammer and get some PC2700 and you will be set

SSXeon

 

[BuddyAtBzboyz]

I mean jeez for a second I thought as an american I have some right for freedom of speech And is this over and over?

You see that is the beauty of free speach. It works both ways. You say something dumb and we can tell you how dumb it was. Cheers!

 

[CrawlingEye]

AMD's sunk in the water until they start AT LEAST scaling up with the Tbred, so far they've altered the AXP core and got what? 1 new speed cpu out of it?

Seems rather sad to me.

This talk of Hammer's plainly silly.

 

[SSXeon5]

Originally posted by: CrawlingEye
AMD's sunk in the water until they start AT LEAST scaling up with the Tbred, so far they've altered the AXP core and got what? 1 new speed cpu out of it?

Seems rather sad to me.

This talk of Hammer's plainly silly.

Yeah the next 2400+ isnt coming till october .... so i dont know what they are doing ...

Originally posted by: drogue
i hate to go back to the car thing, but you're being dumb again
the 911 GT2 is stock, the Venom 800TT is not.....
if you wanna compare tweaked....try the RUF 911 GT2 against your precious Venom

OT: And still the Venom 800 mops the floor with it .... do you mean the SLOW Ruf 996 RGT lol ....

SSXeon

 

[SaintGeorge]

Drouge you completely misenterpreted the car analagy me and Xeon were talking about. I never said that 3 litre V6 engines are faster than 6 litre V8's and that engine capacity didn't affect performance. Lol you really think i'm that stupid?

I phrased the whole thing quite specifically so that no one would think I was saying an engines displacement doesn't affect performance. I was stating it isn't the ONLY thing that affects performance, just like mhz isn't the only measure of speed in a processor this seems to have confused you.

Pulling out specific cars specs is stupid, I did it to show that there are 3 litre engines in existence that can beat 6 litres, and nothing else.

What do you mean neither of us was correct? By shooting out some specs from four different cars you conclude that there isn't a 3 litre V6 engine in existence that can beat a crappy ole 6 litre V8 from some company? WHAT? Where did you misunderstand the conversation?

Anyway we were talking about processors at stock speeds also, everyone knows if you want to oc then Intel is the way to go at the moment. No ones knows how overclockable the Hammer will be, it might have even less headroom than the current XP's, or more than the current P4's

No ones said the XP2200+ is better overclocked than a P42.26 Xeon, the P4 wins in overclocking battles almost everytime.

And AMD will do fine with only a few more cpu releases before the Hammer, you gotta realise not everyone want the fastest CPU around. What percentage of buyers buy 2.53ghz or XP2200+'s? Not many. A big portion of their money is made from home users, people that buy pre assembled rigs and don't know much about computers. And AMD proccessors will be being used in those machines by companies for a good few months yet.

Also we don't know how much faster the Hammer will be than the XP at the same clock speed's, they may only need 2ghz to hit a lot higher than XP3000+ ratings.

The Hammer has a few more extra bits on it that most proccessor upgrades, its a big leap in design so we can't tell what it gonna do yet really. AMD still have a couple of months to develop it before they start showing off test versions even.

And Xeon with your price comparisons, you don't need an extra cooler for the AMD proccessor at stock speeds. They're hot but not that hot man

And don't call me an AMD zealot, I just spent $166 on a 1.8a for me new system (overclocked of course)

Mark

 

[SSXeon5]

Originally posted by: SaintGeorge
Drouge you completely misenterpreted the car analagy me and Xeon were talking about. I never said that 3 litre V6 engines are faster than 6 litre V8's and that engine capacity didn't affect performance. Lol you really think i'm that stupid?

I phrased the whole thing quite specifically so that no one would think I was saying an engines displacement doesn't affect performance. I was stating it isn't the ONLY thing that affects performance, just like mhz isn't the only measure of speed in a processor this seems to have confused you.

Pulling out specific cars specs is stupid, I did it to show that there are 3 litre engines in existence that can beat 6 litres, and nothing else.

What do you mean neither of us was correct? By shooting out some specs from four different cars you conclude that there isn't a 3 litre V6 engine in existence that can beat a crappy ole 6 litre V8 from some company? WHAT? Where did you misunderstand the conversation?

Anyway we were talking about processors at stock speeds also, everyone knows if you want to oc then Intel is the way to go at the moment. No ones knows how overclockable the Hammer will be, it might have even less headroom than the current XP's, or more than the current P4's

No ones said the XP2200+ is better overclocked than a P42.26 Xeon, the P4 wins in overclocking battles almost everytime.

And AMD will do fine with only a few more cpu releases before the Hammer, you gotta realise not everyone want the fastest CPU around. What percentage of buyers buy 2.53ghz or XP2200+'s? Not many. A big portion of their money is made from home users, people that buy pre assembled rigs and don't know much about computers. And AMD proccessors will be being used in those machines by companies for a good few months yet.

Also we don't know how much faster the Hammer will be than the XP at the same clock speed's, they may only need 2ghz to hit a lot higher than XP3000+ ratings.

The Hammer has a few more extra bits on it that most proccessor upgrades, its a big leap in design so we can't tell what it gonna do yet really. AMD still have a couple of months to develop it before they start showing off test versions even.

And Xeon with your price comparisons, you don't need an extra cooler for the AMD proccessor at stock speeds. They're hot but not that hot man

And don't call me an AMD zealot, I just spent $166 on a 1.8a for me new system (overclocked of course)

Mark

You guys come in and flame about my PR opinion, so for your posts on the Spec testing scores being "Those benchmarks you quoted are just plain stupid"

you added flames you the amd zelot party .... And I have to disagree with you about buying the fastest ... almost all the gamers on AA (Americas Army) Have 2.4Ghz/2.53Ghz p4s and a bunch have 2100+ and 2200+, i usually ask how well the game is going on there systems because i top at like 30fps and average of 15fps

I never said the 2200+ was a better ocer, just that for the same price you can get a P4 2.26 and oc it IF YOU WANT. I Still think the best upgrade is the P4, you got a $190 2.0a, i845 for $120 and a stick of DDR333 $132 and still be able to upgrade to a 5GHz(?) P5 in the future. Thats about the same price of a 2100+ KT333 DDR333 setup and it can beat it, in a few things, as will the 2100+. And you do need a extra cooler for the amd, its not retail, who would use the crappy retail HSF's anyways.

SSXeon

 

[CrazySaint]

Originally posted by: SSXeon5

Originally posted by: BuddyAtBzboyz

Originally posted by: dannybin1742
i don't know, those previews that anand did didn't look that good for the DC chipset. but it will be intersting to see what it does......

i'm an amd user and i also think that the PR system is buLL$h!t

Yeah well what would you rather they do, mark the chips as they are an not sell to anyone but enthusisasts? Cause I can tell you right now the average consumer would buy a 1.5Ghz p4 over a 1.4Ghz Athlon. But some would buy the 1600+ over the 1.5Ghz p4. Its marketing plain and simple. Besides we all know what the actual speeds of the chips are by now anyways.

Im not going to start anything, but the PR is such crap. In compusa they had the 2000+ called a 2000Mhz Athlon XP, if they tricked compusa and alot of kids on this fourm thats a trick to get people to buy there chips. I mean in some SSE2 apps the p4 1.6Ghz kills a 2200+ 1.8GHz Athlon XP, amd shouldnt base everything off benchies, even spec the p4s crush the XPs in:

SPEC CPU2000

Pentium 4 2.53GHz i850E 256MB PC-800--------------------------BASE:893 PEAK: 922
Athlon XP 2200+ 1.8GHz Epox 8KHA+ 512MB PC2100 cas2---BASE:738 PEAK: 765


SPEC CFP2000

Pentium 4 2.53GHz i850E 256MB PC-800--------------------------BASE:878 PEAK: 901
Athlon XP 2200+ 1.8GHz Epox 8KHA+ 512MB PC2100 cas2---BASE:624 PEAK: 671



Seeing that the P4 is handicaped with RDRAM none the less PC-800 RDRAM, Im guessing the 2.53Ghz will get around 1000 peak with 512MB DC DDR easy. I only look as spec anymore because it is the industry standard And its floating point is amazingly good. That right there kills the whole PR idea

Hey leme ask you what is the Intel Flagship right now? 2.53Ghz. What is Amds Flagship processor? 1.8GHz. Ok now your flaming me about there prices, well wait till aug 25th and you will be shutting your mouth

Hey, its me again! Ok, you start off buy coming down on AMD for their PR ratings by comparing a 2.53GHz P4 with a AXP 2200+ roll then base your points on price/performance (with future P4 prices ane current AMD prices, no less)? An AXP2200+ compares VERY favorably with a P4 2.2A, so I would say that a "2.2" rating is fair. Second, you keep going on about how the 2.53GHz is going to be so much cheaper on Sept. 1st than it is now (which I agree, it will be), yet, surely you don't think for one minute that AMD WON'T have a price cut of their own, do you? The TBreds may suck ("suck" as in, they really aren't any kind of improvement over the Palominos), but assuming they're getting any kind of decent yields, they are CHEAP (for pretty much the same reason they suck - that damn small die), which means that if AMD has to, they can cut prices a LOT to stay competetive, at least in the value market, even if the performance market abandonds them in favor of Intel.

Having said that, I do agree that the XP line is pretty much dead in the water as far as any actual progress being made. While Intel keeps spitting out one speed increase after another, AMD has increased the speed on its processor line by what, 133 or 200MHz? I really hope AMD releases a Barton CPU soon that lives up to everyone's expectations (I'd actually be very happy with a 10-15% performance boost per clock and higher scaling), and that the Hammer does well against Prescott.

 

[SSXeon5]

Originally posted by: CrazySaint

Hey, its me again! Ok, you start off buy coming down on AMD for their PR ratings by comparing a 2.53GHz P4 with a AXP 2200+ roll then base your points on price/performance (with future P4 prices ane current AMD prices, no less)? An AXP2200+ compares VERY favorably with a P4 2.2A, so I would say that a "2.2" rating is fair.

Having said that, I do agree that the XP line is pretty much dead in the water as far as any actual progress being made. While Intel keeps spitting out one speed increase after another, AMD has increased the speed on its processor line by what, 133 or 200MHz? I really hope AMD releases a Barton CPU soon that lives up to everyone's expectations (I'd actually be very happy with a 10-15% performance boost per clock and higher scaling), and that the Hammer does well against Prescott.

Hey man Agreed, But I pointed out even the 2.53Ghz specs scores vs the 1.8GHz so you guys can see the flagships at there work. But if you insist on 2200+ vs a equal Pentium 4 so i will post the 2.2GHz spec scores:

SPEC CPU2000

Pentium 4 2.26GHz i850E 256MB PC-800--------------------------BASE:818 PEAK: 830
Athlon XP 2200+ 1.8GHz Epox 8KHA+ 512MB PC2100 cas2---BASE:738 PEAK: 765


SPEC CFP2000

Pentium 4 2.26GHz i850E 256MB PC-800--------------------------BASE:815 PEAK: 829
Athlon XP 2200+ 1.8GHz Epox 8KHA+ 512MB PC2100 cas2---BASE:624 PEAK: 671

Still rocks it



SPEC CPU2000

Pentium 4 2.0aGHz i850E 256MB PC-800--------------------------BASE:738 PEAK: 759
Athlon XP 2200+ 1.8GHz Epox 8KHA+ 512MB PC2100 cas2---BASE:738 PEAK: 765


SPEC CFP2000

Pentium 4 2.0aGHz i850E 256MB PC-800--------------------------BASE:744 PEAK: 764
Athlon XP 2200+ 1.8GHz Epox 8KHA+ 512MB PC2100 cas2---BASE:624 PEAK: 671

The 2200+ is closer to a 2.0a in spec, and that is why, IN MY OWN OPINION i think the PR is crap, and even in real world things the 2.0a can get away beating the 2200+, but SSE2 enhanced

Second, you keep going on about how the 2.53GHz is going to be so much cheaper on Sept. 1st than it is now (which I agree, it will be), yet, surely you don't think for one minute that AMD WON'T have a price cut of their own, do you? The TBreds may suck ("suck" as in, they really aren't any kind of improvement over the Palominos), but assuming they're getting any kind of decent yields, they are CHEAP (for pretty much the same reason they suck - that damn small die), which means that if AMD has to, they can cut prices a LOT to stay competetive, at least in the value market, even if the performance market abandonds them in favor of Intel.

No i just said WAIT for aug 25th/sept 1 (whenever it is . Thats all, and after that flame war with me and you, thats all ill say is just wait .... lol.

SSXeon

 

[Mingon]

Ford dont make a good engine

Really ? never heard of cosworth in the states then, they are the people who take 2 plain old 3.0 v6 ford duratec engines and combine them for the aston martins 6.0 litre v12. Or perhaps even the nice 4.2 litre supercharged shaguar engines yeah baby!

 

[SaintGeorge]

Yeah Costhworth make some of the finest racing engines out there. I think they're part of ford, maybe a subsiaidary company. The Ford Escort Corsworths have amazing performance, specially the large turbo versions. Cosworth also make an engine that is used in some Formula 1 cars.

What I want to know is why aren't there any American teams or drivers in F1? You guy's should come race in F1 with the rest of the world.

Just a few, Mark

 

[Kell]

Originally posted by: SSXeon5

Hey man Agreed, But I pointed out even the 2.53Ghz specs scores vs the 1.8GHz so you guys can see the flagships at there work. But if you insist on 2200+ vs a equal Pentium 4 so i will post the 2.2GHz spec scores:

SPEC CPU2000

Pentium 4 2.26GHz i850E 256MB PC-800--------------------------BASE:818 PEAK: 830
Athlon XP 2200+ 1.8GHz Epox 8KHA+ 512MB PC2100 cas2---BASE:738 PEAK: 765


SPEC CFP2000

Pentium 4 2.26GHz i850E 256MB PC-800--------------------------BASE:815 PEAK: 829
Athlon XP 2200+ 1.8GHz Epox 8KHA+ 512MB PC2100 cas2---BASE:624 PEAK: 671

Still rocks it



SPEC CPU2000

Pentium 4 2.0aGHz i850E 256MB PC-800--------------------------BASE:738 PEAK: 759
Athlon XP 2200+ 1.8GHz Epox 8KHA+ 512MB PC2100 cas2---BASE:738 PEAK: 765


SPEC CFP2000

Pentium 4 2.0aGHz i850E 256MB PC-800--------------------------BASE:744 PEAK: 764
Athlon XP 2200+ 1.8GHz Epox 8KHA+ 512MB PC2100 cas2---BASE:624 PEAK: 671

The 2200+ is closer to a 2.0a in spec, and that is why, IN MY OWN OPINION i think the PR is crap, and even in real world things the 2.0a can get away beating the 2200+, but SSE2 enhanced

Second, you keep going on about how the 2.53GHz is going to be so much cheaper on Sept. 1st than it is now (which I agree, it will be), yet, surely you don't think for one minute that AMD WON'T have a price cut of their own, do you? The TBreds may suck ("suck" as in, they really aren't any kind of improvement over the Palominos), but assuming they're getting any kind of decent yields, they are CHEAP (for pretty much the same reason they suck - that damn small die), which means that if AMD has to, they can cut prices a LOT to stay competetive, at least in the value market, even if the performance market abandonds them in favor of Intel.

No i just said WAIT for aug 25th/sept 1 (whenever it is . Thats all, and after that flame war with me and you, thats all ill say is just wait .... lol.

SSXeon

Trouble is, we all know SPEC scores aren't reflected in real life. In real world tests (like the ones from this very site), the AthlonXP 2200+ competes very well with a 2.2GHz Northwood (and even a 2.4GHz Northwood, surprise surprise)--even in many SSE2 apps like Maya and 3DSMax.

The only time I've seen the P4 really clobber the Athlon, MHz vs PR wise, is with LightWave and Mersenne primes.

Lightwave can't really be considered a good general benchmark, because when an AthlonMP gets beaten by a lower-clocked Celeron, something's obviously fishy with the test. Everyone who can step back and examine it objectively can see that. Lightwave results are pretty much meaningful only for Lightwave users.

Mersenne primes...well, how many of us actually do something useful with Prime95? It's a corner case--perhaps a very valid corner case in theoretical discussion, but not something that happens regularly in the real world.

 

[SSXeon5]

Originally posted by: Mingon

Ford dont make a good engine

Really ? never heard of cosworth in the states then, they are the people who take 2 plain old 3.0 v6 ford duratec engines and combine them for the aston martins 6.0 litre v12. Or perhaps even the nice 4.2 litre supercharged shaguar engines yeah baby!

Cosworth did not combine two 3.0V6 engines for the Aston Martin V12's, they cast the blocks themselves. They have worked on may projects in the past and near future to come, from ford (yes it kills me to say this) BMW, Rolls-Royce, volvo, Mazda, and many others. Ford is still crap, there pussy 4.6L in the mustangs are horrible, try the 5.7LS1's for size Camaro SS or even a Z06 Look at the GTS races, and how well the C5Rs do, GO RON FELLOWS

SSXeon

 

[mechBgon]

I started to read this thread for amusement purposes and noticed a $500 CPU is being compared to a $200 CPU. The $300 would allow the AMD system to be upgraded from a 7200rpm, 8.5ms-seek IDE hard drive to a 15000rpm, 3.6ms-seek Seagate Cheetah X15-36LP, and an Adaptec or Tekram U160 card. I think you would see some startling jumps in the Content Creation performance of the AMD system as a result. This is the hidden part of the price/performance equation that no one ever seems to think of... "where could I spend that money to best improve the system? Which system would be faster given these improvements?"

Owning an X15-36LP myself, I can vouch for it being not only extremely quick, but surprisingly quiet (it uses fluid bearings, and seeks are audible but pleasant). And even with McAfee VirusScan doing its daily full scan of the hard drive's contents, the system maintains very good responsiveness, part of which should be credited to SCSI in general. Definitely an option for those who use their system for actual work and don't need a really large hard drive. I think I have about 3Mb in use, including hosting the install files for MS Office2000 Pro, McAfee 4.5.1, and a whole pile of MS patches that I use a lot.

Of course, if the buyer just wants to feel superior, he'll find a benchmark that makes him happy if he looks hard enough, no matter which system he's bought. I happen to know of one where the 2.53GHz P4 gets smacked down by... a 1300MHz Celeron. And not surprisingly, AMD smacks down all the Intel chips, but gets annihilated by the PowerMac G4. Benchmarks...

Give me some render times on that SSE2-enabled Hammer and I'll say we have something real to judge the Hammer and the P4 by, no matter what their operating frequency is.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: SSXeon5

Originally posted by: Rainsford
SSXeon, since you seem to be so shocked when you get flamed, here's a hint. Try to be less of a fanboy yourself. Every time I read a post by you I already know what it's going to say. Something about why Intel is better than AMD and how Intel's future products will own AMD and how AMD is going to go out of business any second now. This tends to make people respond negativly to your posts. Even people like myself who are not fanboys sometimes feel the urge to hunt you down and beat you with a hammer (no pun intended).

I'm not saying that you're necessarily wrong, but there is very little that surprises people when you post something about how you don't think AMD will be able to keep up with Intel in the future. We already know you think that, you don't need to keep posting the same thing over and over.

As far as your actual topic, that release speed is speculation. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what's released, and more importantly (to me at least) how much it costs. Even if AMD doesn't regain the speed crown, in my price range they still are king, they just need to keep it up.

#1 find 1 post that I said Intel is better then AMD
#2 find 1 post that I said that any second AMD could co out of buisness

Im sick of this sh*t, I give my fu*king opinion about the PR .... did you hear me OPINION and i get flamed by amd zelots. For the past all i have said is how and needs to keep up in price, in exactly 2 weeks the 2.53GHz will drop to about the price of the 2200+. IS that claiming "Intel is better than AMD"

I'm not saying that you're necessarily wrong, but there is very little that surprises people when you post something about how you don't think AMD will be able to keep up with Intel in the future. We already know you think that, you don't need to keep posting the same thing over and over.

I mean jeez for a second I thought as an american I have some right for freedom of speech

And is this over and over? No this is a thread about what if amds hammer isnt what it is cut out to be .... i wanted peoples opinions ... not flames and amd zelots coming in posting false information about what I say. And people posting in negative responses is because they:

#1 disagree with me and see im a "Intel fanboy"
#2 think that automaticly they are always right and I cant say any opinions

I mean this is what forums are for, not for people to bitch at others about how there opinions are wrong and how they are wrong. So stay on the subject or DONT POSTim sick of it! And thanx for the hammer threat .... your a cool guy

SSXeon

Uh, chill out, this is a online message board, it's not life and death. And I never said it wasn't your opinion or you weren't entitled to it, I'm just saying that you make very Intel biased posts and then act shocked and hurt when people who like AMD as much as you like Intel respond. And if you have a right to your opinion, so do they.

I've seen a lot of your other posts, and at least from my point of view you are obviously very pro-Intel. There is nothing wrong with that, but I don't see why you are shocked when you get into arguments with pro-AMD people. And yes, sometimes those arguments turn into flame-fests, but some people are immature, get over it or don't post. Flaming the flamers doesn't help one bit.

 

[Rainsford]

Back on topic, how does anyone know what Hammer needs to be running at to get a specific RP rating? The word from an AMD engineer is that the RP rating would be 3400+ and that means somewhere over 2ghz. Where does 2.6ghz come from? There is no reason I see that it would need to hit that to make what the AMD guy said true.

SSXeon, didn't you post something a little while ago about how 3.20ghz wouldn't be around till Q2 of next year? Also, 3.06ghz is when HT will start to kick in, right? If they aren't going to be at 3.20ghz till Q2, when will 3.06ghz come out? If Hammer makes it out around the new year, 3.20ghz will not be what they are competing against.

 

[Kell]

I'm with Rainsford on this one. SSXeon, you had every right to start this thread, but honestly, the thread was born to be crapped on. It's flamebait, plain and simple. I think you expected that going in, and if you didn't, well, you should have. So complaining about how it got crapped after the fact just ends up sounding like a desperate play for sympathy.

 

[SSXeon5]

Originally posted by: mechBgon
I started to read this thread for amusement purposes and noticed a $500 CPU is being compared to a $200 CPU. The $300 would allow the AMD system to be upgraded from a 7200rpm, 8.5ms-seek IDE hard drive to a 15000rpm, 3.6ms-seek Seagate Cheetah X15-36LP, and an Adaptec or Tekram U160 card. I think you would see some startling jumps in the Content Creation performance of the AMD system as a result. This is the hidden part of the price/performance equation that no one ever seems to think of... "where could I spend that money to best improve the system? Which system would be faster given these improvements?"

Owning an X15-36LP myself, I can vouch for it being not only extremely quick, but surprisingly quiet (it uses fluid bearings, and seeks are audible but pleasant). And even with McAfee VirusScan doing its daily full scan of the hard drive's contents, the system maintains very good responsiveness, part of which should be credited to SCSI in general. Definitely an option for those who use their system for actual work and don't need a really large hard drive. I think I have about 3Mb in use, including hosting the install files for MS Office2000 Pro, McAfee 4.5.1, and a whole pile of MS patches that I use a lot.

Of course, if the buyer just wants to feel superior, he'll find a benchmark that makes him happy if he looks hard enough, no matter which system he's bought. I happen to know of one where the 2.53GHz P4 gets smacked down by... a 1300MHz Celeron. And not surprisingly, AMD smacks down all the Intel chips, but gets annihilated by the PowerMac G4. Benchmarks...

Give me some render times on that SSE2-enabled Hammer and I'll say we have something real to judge the Hammer and the P4 by, no matter what their operating frequency is.

God damn it, THE PENTIUM 4 2.53GHz IS INTELS FLAGSHIP PROCESSOR, AS WITH THE AMD XP 2200+ does it matter how much they cost, did you see that mac computer benchmark, with the 2x MP 2100+/ p4 2.53GHz/ 2x G4 1GHz, the P4 came out alot and so did the MP so you better be sarcastic.

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Back on topic, how does anyone know what Hammer needs to be running at to get a specific RP rating? The word from an AMD engineer is that the RP rating would be 3400+ and that means somewhere over 2ghz. Where does 2.6ghz come from? There is no reason I see that it would need to hit that to make what the AMD guy said true.

SSXeon, didn't you post something a little while ago about how 3.20ghz wouldn't be around till Q2 of next year? Also, 3.06ghz is when HT will start to kick in, right? If they aren't going to be at 3.20ghz till Q2, when will 3.06ghz come out? If Hammer makes it out around the new year, 3.20ghz will not be what they are competing against.

Q4 2002 is when the 3.06GHz pentium 3 w/ HT enabled will launch. And Intel never had an offical anouncement of the 3.2GHz P4 launch at this point, they said H1-2003, that means Q1/Q2-2003. As for Prescott, they said it will start at 3.2GHz, but im expecting 4Ghz easy, they have had a 4GHz prescott up for a wile now.

Originally posted by: Kell
I'm with Rainsford on this one. SSXeon, you had every right to start this thread, but honestly, the thread was born to be crapped on. It's flamebait, plain and simple. I think you expected that going in, and if you didn't, well, you should have. So complaining about how it got crapped after the fact just ends up sounding like a desperate play for sympathy.

Why the hell did you post that reply, If you thought this thread was crap wooptie, cry me a river.

SSXeon