clean your videocard for RMA

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: lexmark
jeez give the dude a break. im sorry, but there is no-way-in-hell im going to pay an extra $200 for another video card and have the broken equivalent sitting right on my desk, my fault or not. Let the guy decide what he wants to do, its his card, his conscience, and he is doing whats best in his personal interest. Please stop with the "guilt trips" as if any of you haven't did anything dishonest that was in your best interest.

I would RMA that card worry-free in a heartbeat. I suppose there wouldn't be filesharing if left up to you "innocents". Screw that.

Fortunately, some folks have ethics and don't believe in stealing or a free-lunch. Please don't breed.

 

[akugami]

His card, yes, his conscience, yes. However, when you RMA something, it drives up the cost of doing business (yes I know they set aside a certain percentage of cards for RMA). However, every time a manufactorer deals with RMA'ed products it drives up the cost of doing business and that means that I have to pay more in the long run for new hardware (video cards in this case).

Most video card warranties are void if you take off the default heatsink or overclock. The fact that someone took the time to install a water cooling system usually means they will overclock. Granted not always but usually.

 

[Rock Hydra]

Originally posted by: vanvock
GooGone.

That stuff is amazing.

 

[kpb]

Heck forget the possible overclocking or swapping of cooling systems for voiding the warranty simply the fact that he didn't buy the card new and instead bought it used means for most mfg's he has no warranty at all. Other than xfx which offers their double lifetime warranty everyone else is for the orginal purchaser.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: kpb
Heck forget the possible overclocking or swapping of cooling systems for voiding the warranty simply the fact that he didn't buy the card new and instead bought it used means for most mfg's he has no warranty at all. Other than xfx which offers their double lifetime warranty everyone else is for the orginal purchaser.

Yep, which means he won't even be able to RMA the card, thread over.

 

[lexmark]

Originally posted by: akugami
His card, yes, his conscience, yes. However, when you RMA something, it drives up the cost of doing business (yes I know they set aside a certain percentage of cards for RMA). However, every time a manufactorer deals with RMA'ed products it drives up the cost of doing business and that means that I have to pay more in the long run for new hardware (video cards in this case).

Most video card warranties are void if you take off the default heatsink or overclock. The fact that someone took the time to install a water cooling system usually means they will overclock. Granted not always but usually.

Not being belligerent, but could you show proof showing that there is a direct corelation of price increases of video cards being a direct result from the amount of RMA's completed? I've never seen it.

 

[GML3G0]

Originally posted by: Matthias99
Do I even *want* to know how you got 'alot of sticky stuff' on a video card?

like this. :laugh:

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: lexmark
jeez give the dude a break. im sorry, but there is no-way-in-hell im going to pay an extra $200 for another video card and have the broken equivalent sitting right on my desk, my fault or not. Let the guy decide what he wants to do, its his card, his conscience, and he is doing whats best in his personal interest. Please stop with the "guilt trips" as if any of you haven't did anything dishonest that was in your best interest.

I would RMA that card worry-free in a heartbeat. I suppose there wouldn't be filesharing if left up to you "innocents". Screw that.

I spit on thieves and turn them in if I can, I don't cut them a break.

People like you are one of the reasons video cards cost so much.

Whine about why I shouldn't be hard on thieves to someone else, you'll only find scorn on this board. From what I've seen in the past, ATers are good people who revile behavior like this.

Your attitude SUCKS, your parents have failed you. They obviously didn't care enough about you to treat you right from wrong if you think committing fraud is OK, as long as it's "in your personal interest".

It revolts me what society is coming to.

BTW- filesharing is illegal.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: lexmark

Originally posted by: akugami
His card, yes, his conscience, yes. However, when you RMA something, it drives up the cost of doing business (yes I know they set aside a certain percentage of cards for RMA). However, every time a manufactorer deals with RMA'ed products it drives up the cost of doing business and that means that I have to pay more in the long run for new hardware (video cards in this case).

Most video card warranties are void if you take off the default heatsink or overclock. The fact that someone took the time to install a water cooling system usually means they will overclock. Granted not always but usually.

Not being belligerent, but could you show proof showing that there is a direct corelation of price increases of video cards being a direct result from the amount of RMA's completed? I've never seen it.

You obviously have never been in a business course, or had anything but a "McJob", and apparently had no good role models.

I will spell it out for you:

Returns are projected based on anticipated failure rates, determined by testing. The anticipated failure rate and cost of warranty work/replacement is factored into the price of the product. This cost is part of the firms "overhead" or "cost of doing business", like wages, real estate, machinery, etc..

Companies have a sale price that is X percent over their cost of doing business, from which they hope to derive a PROFIT. The profit is used for R&D, raises, bonuses, better equipment etc..

Let's say for the sake of argument BFGs profits run 10% of sales.

When people like you shorten a products life by overvolting it or modding it, then return it fraudulently, you skew BFGs numbers. Now the profit they were supposed to make on one card is cut in less than half, because they have to give you another.

So next year BFG sees they only made 5% instead of their forecasted 10%. Do you think they say "Oh nuts. I hope we don't have as many returns this year so we can make our 10%"?

Nope, they raise their prices to accomodate their increased cost of doing business, so they make us all pay for people like YOU.

There's no "magic money tree": BFG, ATI, etc. are no different from your lemonade stand when you were a kid. If it cost you $.05 a glass to make the lemonade, you charged $.10. If a bunch of little doofuses set their cups on the ground till ants got in it, and then made you give them a new glass, wouldn't you charge more per glass the next time around, or not sell lemonade at all?

That's what you are- the guy putting his glass on the ground then asking for a new one. If your conscience is clear, you have none, and would be ashamed if you did.


BTW- If any MBAs are out there, I know this is over simplified, but I doubt anyone would disagree increased overhead due to fraud results in nothing good for anyone in the long run?

 

[lexmark]

I spit on thieves and turn them in if I can, I don't cut them a break.

You are going to turn in every filesharer in America? good luck.

People like you are one of the reasons video cards cost so much.

Once again, proof please.

Whine about why I shouldn't be hard on thieves to someone else, you'll only find scorn on this board. From what I've seen in the past, ATers are good people who revile behavior like this.

I agree in the fact that most ATers are good people, but you would be horribly mistaken if you think that majority of users follow "your" honor code 24/7.

Your attitude SUCKS, your parents have failed you. They obviously didn't care enough about you to treat you right from wrong if you think committing fraud is OK, as long as it's "in your personal interest".

I don't think my attitude SUCKS, just a matter of contrary viewpoints.


It revolts me what society is coming to.[/quote]
I would not want to live in your ideal society where we look down on people who viewpoints defer from someone else.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: lexmark
I would not want to live in your ideal society where we look down on people who viewpoints defer from someone else.

I wish you didn't.

Stealing from a company by fraud is worse than breaking into their warehouse and stealing a card.
The company would save the costs of processing your RMA.

What angers me most about you is that not only do you not realize how wrong you are, you even advertise that it's RIGHT in a forum others might take your advice.

 

[theMan]

do you honestly think that people RMA'ing things after they voided the warantee will increase prices for the product? thats just rediculous. you must be one of those people that thinks music sharing will kill an already dead industry.

i feel sorry for this guy, that his thread, where he asked a simple question, turned into a stupid flame thread for no reason. i applaud those who have actually answered the question.

i agree that alcohol is the way to go.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: lexmark

I spit on thieves and turn them in if I can, I don't cut them a break.

You are going to turn in every filesharer in America? good luck.

It being impractical to stop does not make it right.

People like you are one of the reasons video cards cost so much.

Once again, proof please.

Fraudulent RMAs cost companies money; if they are seeing more RMAs than they 'should' according to in-house testing, they will figure out what is going on. Most companies, rather than just eating such costs, would either raise prices or cut warranties/bundles on future products to compensate. If you believe that such actions do *not* have an affect on pricing, you're just purposefully being ignorant/difficult.

I agree in the fact that most ATers are good people, but you would be horribly mistaken if you think that majority of users follow "your" honor code 24/7.

Other people doing something and getting away with it does not magically make it legal or "ok" for you to do so. And yes, I would hope that most people here, if faced with a similar situation, would suck it up and not commit fraud.

I don't think my attitude SUCKS, just a matter of contrary viewpoints.

Your 'viewpoint' is contrary to US law, as well as basic principles of most societies and religions ('thou shalt not steal', etc.) Just about everybody agrees that stealing and committing fraud is a Bad Thing.

I would not want to live in your ideal society where we look down on people who viewpoints defer from someone else.

And I wouldn't want to live in your "ideal" society, where it's OK to do things that hurt other people if it's immediately convenient for you. Fortunately, most civilized societies frown on that sort of thing.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: theman
do you honestly think that people RMA'ing things after they voided the warantee will increase prices for the product? thats just rediculous.

If you think it doesn't, then you are highly ignorant of basic economics and business principles.

 

[lexmark]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: lexmark
I would not want to live in your ideal society where we look down on people who viewpoints defer from someone else.

I wish you didn't.

Stealing from a company by fraud is worse than breaking into their warehouse and stealing a card.
The company would save the costs of processing your RMA.

What angers me most about you is that not only do you not realize how wrong you are, you even advertise that it's RIGHT in a forum others might take your advice.

right is a matter of subjectivity. I don't think that its right for you to eat slaughtered animals as food instead of plants, but its a non-issue to most americans (and maybe you). I find this a non-issue as a consumer with a self-crapped $200 card sitting on my desk.

 

[lexmark]

If you people would honestly go out and buy another card I understand your viewpoint.But if you couldn't afford another video card, ( or monitor) you would honestly sit at home with a lifeless computer? hard to believe imo.

Dishonest is fine if thats your view (or america's for that matter) Am I going to get locked up or fined for RMA'ing an oc card? please.

 

[cpacini]

Originally posted by: lexmark

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: lexmark
I would not want to live in your ideal society where we look down on people who viewpoints defer from someone else.

I wish you didn't.

Stealing from a company by fraud is worse than breaking into their warehouse and stealing a card.
The company would save the costs of processing your RMA.

What angers me most about you is that not only do you not realize how wrong you are, you even advertise that it's RIGHT in a forum others might take your advice.

right is a matter of subjectivity. I don't think that its right for you to eat slaughtered animals as food instead of plants, but its a non-issue to most americans (and maybe you). I find this a non-issue as a consumer with a self-crapped $200 card sitting on my desk.

So your saying fraud, theft, and violation of US laws is subjective? Interesting...

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: lexmark

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: lexmark
I would not want to live in your ideal society where we look down on people who viewpoints defer from someone else.

I wish you didn't.

Stealing from a company by fraud is worse than breaking into their warehouse and stealing a card.
The company would save the costs of processing your RMA.

What angers me most about you is that not only do you not realize how wrong you are, you even advertise that it's RIGHT in a forum others might take your advice.

right is a matter of subjectivity. I don't think that its right for you to eat slaughtered animals as food instead of plants, but its a non-issue to most americans (and maybe you). I find this a non-issue as a consumer with a self-crapped $200 card sitting on my desk.

LOL

What a crock. You'll steal from sentient beings, but have a moral problem with people consuming animals.

I wish you could see what I do to animals when hunting, just because it would probably trouble you.

Maybe I've been approaching this from the wrong angle.

Let's say you buy a $500 X1800XT, but decide that's too much to have wrapped up in video cards when there's a big Tofu sale happening down at the grocery co-op.

So you put it up for sale on AT FSFT, I buy it.

I start posting "Wow! This card is a GREAT overclocker! I've got it at 750/800 no problems, solid as a rock!". You read my posts and am glad I'm happy.

In a couple days the card fails, white dots everywhere.

So I PM you and say,"Dude! That card you sold me is defective!" You ask me if I OCd it, I say "No way dude!" and edit my posts.

Going to refund my money, because I'm following your morally bankrupt code of ethics and "acting in my own best interest"?

Or are you going to tell me "Tough luck dude"?

If you wouldn't return my money, you're acknowledging you're a thief, and that the only reason you're trying to BS us here is to not feel like a thief.

 

[nRollo]

BTW

I :heart: animals. They're delicious!

 

[cpacini]

Originally posted by: lexmark
If you people would honestly go out and buy another card I understand your viewpoint.But if you couldn't afford another video card, ( or monitor) you would honestly sit at home with a lifeless computer? hard to believe imo.

Yes.

And if I didn't have money for the movies than I wouldn't sneak in, I wouldn't walk out of a restraunt without paying the bill because i cant afford it. If I don't have money for a $200 Video card to play games on, then, well, I wouldn't game until I do. Were not talking about starving people stealing a loaf of bread from the grocery store here.

Am I going to get locked up or fined for RMA'ing an oc card? please.

Thats not the point. You're not going to get arrested for lots of things that are illegal, but that doesnt make them ok.

 

[lexmark]

Originally posted by: cpacini

Originally posted by: lexmark

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: lexmark
I would not want to live in your ideal society where we look down on people who viewpoints defer from someone else.

I wish you didn't.

Stealing from a company by fraud is worse than breaking into their warehouse and stealing a card.
The company would save the costs of processing your RMA.

What angers me most about you is that not only do you not realize how wrong you are, you even advertise that it's RIGHT in a forum others might take your advice.

right is a matter of subjectivity. I don't think that its right for you to eat slaughtered animals as food instead of plants, but its a non-issue to most americans (and maybe you). I find this a non-issue as a consumer with a self-crapped $200 card sitting on my desk.

So your saying fraud, theft, and violation of US laws is subjective? Interesting...

Not the laws themselves, but personal opinion on whether a person was "right" or "wrong" when breaking them under certain circumstances and conditions, yes.

 

[lexmark]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: lexmark

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: lexmark
I would not want to live in your ideal society where we look down on people who viewpoints defer from someone else.

I wish you didn't.

Stealing from a company by fraud is worse than breaking into their warehouse and stealing a card.
The company would save the costs of processing your RMA.

What angers me most about you is that not only do you not realize how wrong you are, you even advertise that it's RIGHT in a forum others might take your advice.

right is a matter of subjectivity. I don't think that its right for you to eat slaughtered animals as food instead of plants, but its a non-issue to most americans (and maybe you). I find this a non-issue as a consumer with a self-crapped $200 card sitting on my desk.

LOL

What a crock. You'll steal from sentient beings, but have a moral problem with people consuming animals.

I wish you could see what I do to animals when hunting, just because it would probably trouble you.

Maybe I've been approaching this from the wrong angle.

Let's say you buy a $500 X1800XT, but decide that's too much to have wrapped up in video cards when there's a big Tofu sale happening down at the grocery co-op.

So you put it up for sale on AT FSFT, I buy it.

I start posting "Wow! This card is a GREAT overclocker! I've got it at 750/800 no problems, solid as a rock!". You read my posts and am glad I'm happy.

In a couple days the card fails, white dots everywhere.

So I PM you and say,"Dude! That card you sold me is defective!" You ask me if I OCd it, I say "No way dude!" and edit my posts.

Going to refund my money, because I'm following your morally bankrupt code of ethics and "acting in my own best interest"?

Or are you going to tell me "Tough luck dude"?

If you wouldn't return my money, you're acknowledging you're a thief, and that the only reason you're trying to BS us here is to not feel like a thief.

had a phone call, im not trying to ignore anyone here.

rollo, for the animal analogy, that was meant to be hypothetical, as i have no beef with beef either. I worded it wrong, my apologies.

As for you situation, honestly as a seller i wouldn't take the the return. Yet i don't see me as a seller a parallel equal to ATI's Corporation, nor my capital. ATI can afford to offer a rma proccess for defective cards. I can't and therefore wouldn't offer one in the first place.

 

[buzzsaw13]

Originally posted by: lexmark
If you people would honestly go out and buy another card I understand your viewpoint.But if you couldn't afford another video card, ( or monitor) you would honestly sit at home with a lifeless computer? hard to believe imo.

Dishonest is fine if thats your view (or america's for that matter) Am I going to get locked up or fined for RMA'ing an oc card? please.

If you can't afford another video card, you shouldn't have given your video card a chance to break in the first place.

You seem to have a very low sense of economics if you can't understand that because of fake RMAs or RMAs not covered under warranty, it drives up the prices for everyone else. You think stores just leave prices the same in their stores if theres a lot of shoplifting? They have to recoup for those losses by raising prices for other things.

People like you raise prices for everyone else.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: lexmark
As for you situation, honestly as a seller i wouldn't take the the return. Yet i don't see me as a seller a parallel equal to ATI's Corporation, nor my capital. ATI can afford to offer a rma proccess for defective cards. I can't and therefore wouldn't offer one in the first place.

I always love it when they say "It's different to steal from the rich" or "Everybody does it".

It's not different, and everyone doesn't.

I have no fileshared music/video/software.

I don't fraudulently return things.

When cashiers ring me up wrong, I point it out. This cost me $50 on some single bottle beer I was buying a month or two ago, and over $400 on some sporting goods a couple years ago.

Difference in you and me?

When I look in the mirror I see a man that takes responsibility for himself looking back. You see a thief or a child if this is your philosophy.

 

[cpacini]

As for you situation, honestly as a seller i wouldn't take the the return. Yet i don't see me as a seller a parallel equal to ATI's Corporation, nor my capital. ATI can afford to offer a rma proccess for defective cards. I can't and therefore wouldn't offer one in the first place.

Defective is the key word there...