Clicky Keyboard

bharok

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I used to have one of those old dell clicky keyboards, but it recently stopped working. I got a new logitech keyboard but I hate the mushy key feeling.
Do any companies still make the clicky type keyboards.

Thanks.
 

vegetation

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Some third party bought Northgate's omnikey rights a few years back and produced newer models (all clickys of course) but I can't find their website anymore so I assume they went under. That's a great keyboard though. Otherwise, you can find clicky keyboards on ebay pretty easily. Or try a computer repair center, often they surplus ancient keyboards.
 

johnnnny5

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try tigerdirect.... I just saw a whole stack of older-style IBM keyboards at their outlet store down here.
 

VTEC01EX

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I'll sell you one of the IBM clickys I've got sitting around here, they look new!
 

pukemon

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Best bet would be to go to one of those computer junk/graveyard type of place if there is one in town. One place had a pail full of original used fully mechanical heavy clickilty IBM PS/2 keyboards vintage from 1988 for something like $5.
 

bharok

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Do the IBM model M keyboards have windows keys?
I have gotten used to using shortcuts wuth the windows key does anyone make clicky keyboards with windows keys. Also I would like to get a new keyboard if possible.

Also, I believe my old keyboard was a dell AW101 or something like that (I can't remember exactly now and I am not in my room.)
 

mechBgon

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Originally posted by: bharok
At tigerdirect I was able to find 2 ibm keyboards:
IBM Rapid Response 95 104-Key PS/2 White Keyboard and the
IBM White Active Response Keyboard with Palm Rest

Can anyone confirm if these are clicky type keyboards
The Active Response is definitely not a clickie. I haven't heard of the Rapid Response but I can tell you that I haven't seen any IBM clickies with a Windows key. Typing this on my 5-pound 1984 IBM M-series... They're great for slow typists like me, because they make a lot of noise and fool me into thinking I'm typing fast
 

Zepper

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The Focus 2001 uses the mechanical key switches and has windows keys. Did a froogle search and several places have them from $20.. You can also still get the original here: http://www.pckeyboard.com for $49.(101-key) or $59.(104-key).
.bh.
 

Cerb

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Originally posted by: bharok
Do the IBM model M keyboards have windows keys?
I have gotten used to using shortcuts wuth the windows key does anyone make clicky keyboards with windows keys. Also I would like to get a new keyboard if possible.

Also, I believe my old keyboard was a dell AW101 or something like that (I can't remember exactly now and I am not in my room.)
No windows keys. To many of us, that's a feature, as it means we don't have to rip them off before using the keyboard. Mine's circa 1984 (dead LEDs), my reserve one is 1991 .

If you want new, look for "switched."
The thing that defines 'clicky' keybaord is that they have switches on each key, instead of a rubbery layer with contacts (like remote controls usually have). The only spongy keybaords worth using, IMO, are Mitsumis and Dell QUietkeys (and whatever they actually are, since Dell certainly doesn't make them).
 

nineball9

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Originally posted by: bharok

Also, I believe my old keyboard was a dell AW101 or something like that (I can't remember exactly now and I am not in my room.)

I have two of them (Model AT101W), one is black, the other is white. I bought one with a Dell system in 1999; Dell called it a "mechanical keyboard". I spilled soda on it a few years later and when the shift key started sticking, I purchased another from Dell. Eventually, I disassembled the original keyboard and washed it. Works fine now.

Got a new PC last fall, and was really disapointed with the mushy membrane keyboard. Looked around for another mechanical keyboard and found little help. So I cleaned my replacement Dell mechanical keyboard and am currently using it.

I used various IBM 3276/3278 keyboards for 20 years as a sysprog, as well as XT, AT and PS/2 keyboards and got rather used to the clicky style. In addition, they seem to work better with games that require many rapid multiple keyboard strokes, but that's just my observation.

Good luck finding a replacement mechanical keyboard. (I'm keeping my old Dell keyboards!) If you do find a good replacement, I hope you will let the forum readers know the brand and model and where to find one.
 

Zepper

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None of the new IBM keyboards like Rapid or Active have mechanical key switches - they are made by Micro Innovation using IBM name under license.
.bh.
 

bharok

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Originally posted by: nineball9
I purchased another from Dell. Eventually, I disassembled the original keyboard and washed it. Works fine now.

How did you wash it ?? the curcuit board is physically connected to the keys ?
 

nineball9

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Originally posted by: bharok

How did you wash it ?? the curcuit board is physically connected to the keys ?

I took it apart! Actually, I've dismantled and washed both of my Dell AT101W keyboards.

To wash:
Unplug keyboard from your PC (An obvious step, I hope. )
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Get some parts containers so you won't lose screws. Any sort of dish will work.
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Unthread the cord if you have snaked it in one of the left, right, or center guides.
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Remove the bottom screws. There are 6 of them IIRC, none hidden under any labels.
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Push the 4 plastic tabs and remove the top cover. This is the hard part. There are 4 plastic tabs on the bottom of the keyboard - 2 tabs near the top edge and 2 tabs near the bottom edge. They act as "hooks" to hold the top cover on. I used a small screwdriver or two, an old scalpel and a small pick to do each tab. You have to push each tab towards the center of the keyboard to unhook it. Using the small tools (above) I pushed in one tab, then gently slipped a small screw driver between the top and bottom covers to keep them from hooking back together. With the small screwdriver still in place, I did the other tab on the same edge. Once you have freed one edge, the other edge will be easier to do. Just follow the same steps. Be carefull with the tabs - if you push too hard or use pliers, you will probably break them.
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Once you have freed all 4 tabs, the top cover will lift off (or fall off). IIRC, the bottom cover will partially fall off too, with the cable threaded through the cover and attached to the main board.
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Inside, there is a foil covered cardboard ground plane, held in by 1 or 2 screws. One of the screws acts as a retaining clip for the cord. Note the alignment of the cardboard groundplane. I'm pretty sure only one side has a foil lining and it faces outwards, but check it and remember. Remove the cardboard ground plane, but don't wash it!
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There may be 1 or 2 other screws inside. IIRC, there is a cable plug which allows you to disconnect the cable from the mainboard. Just take your time and examine the assembly before using pliers or hammers! (Sorry, I did this a couple of months ago, but don't remember the full details.)
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Disassembled, you have a top cover, a bottom cover with the cable threaded through it, the cardboard piece, and the main board with the keys and some electronic circuitry. Except for the cardboard, I washed all of them in the kitchen sink. A scrub brush or old toothbrush and bathroom cleaner (like Scrubbing Bubbles) works well as a cleaner. I may have used 409 cleaner. Test this before using as 409, Fantastic and similar cleaners have a habit of removing the key's paint.
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When washing, you can get the electronics wet, though the less, the better. There is not much to it - a 64 (32?) pin DIP and a few passive components. Before washing, I used compressed air and a pick to clean under the individual keys (I did not remove the keycaps.) Be careful not to bend the LED's or you will have difficulty reassembling the unit.
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Once washed, I used a hair dryer on low temp and more compressed air to blow out most of the water. Pulled out more hair (I'm balding.) from under the keys.
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Let the washed parts dry throughly. I waited 2 days before attempting reassembly. After that, I cleaned out even more hair (ack).
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Optionally, when dry you could test the board by plugging it into a PC before reassembling it . Be careful not to short the electronics or mangle the unmounted board. Since the cable is still threaded through the bottom cover, this is a little more difficult than it sounds.
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To reassemble, make sure the plastic tabs are not bent. If so, straighten them. Place the top cover upside down on a table and use something as shims to support the the top cover edges so the keys will fit through. Visually align the LED's with the top cover slots they go into. Gently place the main board into the top cover and make sure the LED's are inserted correctly. If not, the bottom cover will not fit correctly, and you may break the LED's.
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Replace the screws, cable connector, cardboard ground plane - watch the alignment for interior and exterior screw holes. Again, I'm pretty sure the foil points away from the main board. If you install it backwards, you may short out the electronics.
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Making sure the cable is correctly in line, place the bottom cover over the plastic tabs and gently press down. It should snap in place. If not, check your mainboard assembly and the LED's.
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When the bottom cover snaps in place, replace the 6 bottom screws (hopefully you saved them in a container and still have all 6!)
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Good luck and enjoy your clean keyboard!
 

bharok

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thanks for the instructions nineball9.
My finals are going to start soon but I will try this out as soon as I get home. Thanks.
 

Neuroanatomist

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For the record, IBM and later Lexmark produced these classic "clicky keyboards" from 1986 - 1997.

These older IBM keyboards use true mechanical "buckling spring" keyswitches as compared to "rubber domes" as current Microsoft/Logitech, etc.. keyboards do

There are several different model #s.. but most people are looking for either

Model # 1390120 (made by IBM in 1986 and 1987)
Model # 1391401 (made by IBM from 1987 - 1993)
Model # 52G9700, 82G2383, 92G7453, 92F0332, 52G9658, 42H1292 (made by Lexmark 1993 - 1997)

I've currently put together a moderate collection of 50+ of these keyboards and other variants based on Model M design

...will one day get around to writing a proper historical overview and visual pictorial of these great keyboards.

see for pics and additional background info
www.clickykeyboard.com
 

nineball9

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Great link, Neuroanatomist! Seems there still is a maker of "clicky" keyboards - the site links to Unicomp - which I poked around too.

According to the FFC ID of the Dell keyboards I got in 1999 and 2001 (2002?), they were made by Silitek, a Taiwan company.

I'll always miss the old 3278/3276 keyboards. (3277 was a bit awkward, and the 3279 and 3290 were similar to the 3278's with additional key functions.) Years ago, we had an occasionally sticky 3278 keyboard in the computer room. The lead operator would simply pick it up three inches and drop it to unstick it. Since we had a maintenance contract with IBM, I asked the operator why he didn't just ask for a replacement. He just laughed and said he preferred the broken one. I think he just liked dropping the keyboard. They were practically unbreakable.
 
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